March Madness & Women Writers
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DAL, I'd agree with the points above concerning sales generation. Dan (Faithlife) noted years back in the annals of Logosian history, the curious absence of the fair ones.
But your comment about gender scholarship is drivel. I'm not referring to all those ladies you missed ... rather, the abysmal state of Biblical scholarship ... primarily represented by those playing in the basketball game. I recommend you indeed buy the volume you're waiting for.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Not arguing Denise, but more than drivel, I'd say my statement is realistic and has nothing to do with genders is just the way things are. No need to get defensive. Sorry if I offended you by stating something that has been true throughout the annals of the entire human history.
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No need to apologize or be sorry, DAL.
The Logos prepub that failed on the Pseudo-Clementines illustrates the point well. It's available on Kindle. The argument between Peter and Simon Magus far exceeds today's batch of scholars that you're enthralled with.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DAL said:
women authors... The scholarship they offer, though good, will never surpass the scholarship of men.
Hi DAL, following your comment above you go on to describe examples of scholarship by women as practical, helpful and masterful. Your argument seems incongruous to me. Would you please elaborate on your above comment, per se, and its relation to March Madness or indeed other Logos promotions? G&P
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Gordon Jones said:DAL said:
women authors... The scholarship they offer, though good, will never surpass the scholarship of men.
Hi DAL, following your comment above you go on to describe examples of scholarship by women as practical, helpful and masterful. Your argument seems incongruous to me. Would you please elaborate on your above comment, per se, and its relation to March Madness or indeed other Logos promotions? G&P
The point is that no matter how good Women's scholarship is, when it comes to MM is not going to fly; especially when you pit them against men. Heck, I don't like all men's scholarship either, but even some relatively unknown guy would always move ahead in the competition. So it doesn't seem fair to pit women vs men. Women should have their own little MM at least for one day (International Women's Day) and pit women vs women to make it more even. That's all, nothing against my lovely women 😁
DAL
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DAL said:even some relatively unknown guy would always move ahead in the competition
Is it constructive or edifying to affirm that a man will always win against a woman in the competition, or that a woman needs to compete with a woman to have a chance at winning?
In general, if men (a majority of the voting demographic) would tend to vote for relatively unknown male authors and win, how is that any different from faith X/denomination Y (a minority of the voting demographic) tending to vote for authors of their faith/denomination and lose?
Do contemporary authors have less chance against bygone authors? Do catholic authors have less chance against protestant authors? Is it also necessary to pair up authors by century or by denomination?
I think any pairing is going to be skewed in some particular way, due to demographics (partiality), and inherent bias (prejudice). I don't believe that the ideal solution would be to change how people are paired off, because this is not limited to March Madness.
Perhaps we should ask God to reveal anything in ourselves, our upbringing, our culture, and/or our society, which hinders the truth that "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
DAL said:
even some relatively unknown guy would always move ahead in the competition
Is it constructive or edifying to affirm that a man will always win against a woman in the competition, or that a woman needs to compete with a woman to have a chance at winning?
Yes and very much realistic. It's just the way things are and we just need to accept them. It has nothing to do with who's better, it's more like a creation pattern. Nobody is putting down any body.
In general, if men (a majority of the voting demographic) would tend to vote for relatively unknown male authors and win, how is that any different from faith X/denomination Y (a minority of the voting demographic) tending to vote for authors of their faith/denomination and lose?
But they don't! People are still voting for Spurgeon which makes me wonder if they really put any thought to their voting.
Do contemporary authors have less chance against bygone authors? Do catholic authors have less chance against protestant authors? Is it also necessary to pair up authors by century or by denomination?
Sometimes, but Packer has the lead over Keener which again makes me wonder why people complain that none of the modern ones are winning when they keep voting for the bygone authors!
I think any pairing is going to be skewed in some particular way, due to demographics (partiality), and inherent bias (prejudice). I don't believe that the ideal solution would be to change how people are paired off, because this is not limited to March Madness.
My solution is better. Pair women against women and you'll start seeing sales for them. Is a proven fact.
Perhaps we should ask God to reveal anything in ourselves, our upbringing, our culture, and/or our society, which hinders the truth that "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
When it comes to salvation yes there's no such difference, but when it comes to roles and order of creation that doesn't apply.
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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:45 PM
As promised, here is a list of pre-pub titles that will be cancelled in 30 days unless they get enough pre-orders to make it into production. If you really want one of these titles/collections, now's your chance to show your support!
https://www.logos.com/product/50195/the-renaissance-bible-scholarship-sacrifice-and-subjectivity
https://www.logos.com/product/50193/a-brutal-unity-the-spiritual-politics-of-the-christian-church
https://www.logos.com/product/50350/baylor-baptist-history-collection
https://www.logos.com/product/50190/baylor-women-in-theology-collection
https://www.logos.com/product/50191/the-bible-and-missions
https://www.logos.com/product/25244/baylor-new-testament-studies-collection
https://www.logos.com/product/55969/bodies-of-peace-ecclesiology-nonviolence-and-witness
https://www.logos.com/product/55693/the-anointed-church-toward-a-third-article-ecclesiology
https://www.logos.com/product/55649/the-fear-of-islam-an-introduction-to-islamophobia-in-the-west
https://www.logos.com/product/55802/engaging-the-passion-perspectives-on-the-death-of-jesus
https://www.logos.com/product/55650/a-council-for-the-global-church-receiving-vatican-ii-in-history
https://www.logos.com/product/41490/the-courage-of-faith-martin-luther-and-the-theonomous-self
https://www.logos.com/product/40843/fortress-press-contemporary-theology-collection
https://www.logos.com/product/42406/what-is-social-scientific-criticism
https://www.logos.com/product/42765/introduction-to-the-history-of-christianity-2nd-ed
https://www.logos.com/product/45717/be-still-and-know-gods-presence-in-silence
https://www.logos.com/product/45686/saving-karl-barth-hans-urs-von-balthasars-preoccupation
https://www.logos.com/product/45551/fortress-biblical-preaching-commentaries-collection
https://www.logos.com/product/48792/fortress-press-new-testament-studies-collection
https://www.logos.com/product/49009/saving-beauty-a-theological-aesthetics-of-nature
https://www.logos.com/product/49412/a-short-introduction-to-the-hebrew-bible-second-edition
https://www.logos.com/product/52288/the-histories-of-the-latin-american-church
https://www.logos.com/product/52512/john-fortress-biblical-preaching-commentaries
https://www.logos.com/product/52531/the-divine-in-acts-and-in-ancient-historiography
https://www.logos.com/product/52802/christopraxis-a-practical-theology-of-the-cross
https://www.logos.com/product/52352/fortress-studies-on-passages-in-the-gospels
https://www.logos.com/product/51751/fortress-studies-on-augustine
https://www.logos.com/product/54197/fortress-early-christian-studies
https://www.logos.com/product/55293/christian-thought-in-america-a-brief-history
The works by 20 women authors are contained in the above list of pre-pubs to be cancelled on March 20th.
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Roger Dittmar said:
The works by 20 women authors are contained in the above list of pre-pubs to be cancelled on March 20th.
I rest my case! Point proven without a shadow of a doubt! My condolences to the suggestion! (which by the way was made the year before last year and that's why some women (June Hunt) participated in MM2016, but I guess the suggestion wasn't so good that this year it still went as bad as last year, and so it had to be suggested again). Is not discrimination is just the way things have been established from the beginning. So, if FL wants to generate some MM with women authors, then pit them against each other on a separate mini WMM 2017 whether some like it or not.
DAL
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I'm glad you"re resting your case. It definitely needed a rest (a major 2nd Temple theme that leaked into the NT).
First, my review of the prepub deathlist has no surprises. They don't tend to fit well in the evangelical world. Ditto Catholic titles a few months back. That's irrespective of the plumbing of their authors. I always am impressed when Dan (forum) goes after titles evangelicals are suspicious of.
Second, the idea of including a broader spectrum of authors was to introduce a broader spectrum of authors. Not play basketball. One of Faithlife's problems (per Bob) is a resource catalog chock full of no sales.
Ok, back to the basketball game. You've had your rest.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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For the record (see my previous post), there are a number of women authors whose works I would appreciate sales on, just none that I think sell particularly well. I wish that they did.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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