Logos 8 Wishlist
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Not in order of priority...
1. A way to finally combine note files nicely
2. Dark mode for OSX Mojave
3. I'd like to see a way of visualizing collections and being able to quickly access books within a collection. Perhaps the ability to drag and drop a collection to the toolbar and then click on it to see the books and click on one to open it?
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Fr Devin Roza said:
Hey Brandon, I mean Br Damien-Jospeh!
I hope you are well!I'm guessing you know about the Visual Filter for the AFAT Bible that will display different colors based on Eissfeldt's classification. It's available here: https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents. It will at least do part of what you are asking, only in that Bible though.
Thanks Fr. Devin! It's good to hear from you, I am doing well. I did not know about that visual filter. Thankfully I have the resource and was able to find the filter so I can use this resource to partly achieve my goals. But for what I need, it may just be easier for me to copy and paste together my own J source composite text...
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I'm ok with the program using as much of my systems resources as it wants. frequently (but not always) more resources is better.LimJK said:Phil,
I wish to see Logos 8 for Mac not to switch to discrete GPU for stuffs that is really not graphically intensive. However, If you do need to switch to discrete GPU it will be nice to switch it back to built-in GPU.
I recalled raising this in Logos 4 in 2012 ... and somewhere along the way in one of Logos 5, 6 or 7 it was fixed. Unfortunately, this issue reappeared in the recent update(s). Thank you for your consideration.
See issue raised here:
I wonder if the GPU can index faster than the CPU?L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
I'm ok with the program using as much of my systems resources as it wants. frequently (but not always) more resources is better.
I wonder if the GPU can index faster than the CPU?Hi abondservant,
I can understand your point of view if you are at home or in office and have AC power on all the time with multiple screens. For some of us, where we depend on battery for a good part of day out of office or home. Halving of our battery life for us is a challenge [:(] the point is that it was fixed for a while ... the bug came back only recently. I also noted that some of the panels that triggered switching to discrete GPU are really not graphically challenging like the home page, Psalm Explorer, etc.
I am merely expressing my wish for Logos to fixed this problem [:)]
I am not sure if Logos uses Graphics GPU for faster indexing[:O]
JK
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I understand your point, yes I am on AC power almost all the time, I do have and use a laptop. BUT i let it do the heavy lifting while plugged in.
I wasn't speaking to the bug so much as my desire for the software to make use of ALL my resources to the extent it can. I'm sure there could be check done at start - is this device on battery? if so be gentle. If not, use as much as is available to get that indexing or search done.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Darryl Burling said:
A way to finally combine note files nicely
Darryl, perhaps you're not aware that Notes are being totally redone (Note Files/Documents are going bye-bye!). You can try out the beta by joining this Faithlife Group.
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This one is must for Logos 8 Lutheran Base packages at least:
https://www.logos.com/product/42072/kretzmanns-popular-bible-commentary
Faithlife Connect + several Base Packages + Luther's Works, etc.
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Reuben Helmuth said:Darryl Burling said:
A way to finally combine note files nicely
Darryl, perhaps you're not aware that Notes are being totally redone (Note Files/Documents are going bye-bye!). You can try out the beta by joining this Faithlife Group.
Is this is incorrect information being communicated?
From what I have heard and what I see in the web app is that notebooks are not going “bye-bye!”. They simply will not be required for notetaking but will continue to exist as an option for those that want to make use of them.
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doc said:
Is this is incorrect information being communicated?
Depends upon how precisely one wishes to use language. The notes file/document structure is going "bye-bye". However, the fact that the physical distinction has been removed does not mean that the user interface makes it appear that the structure is still available for those who prefer to think of Notes in that way. In computers, what is presented to the user is often rather divorced from the physical reality ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I would add to what MJ has said.
In the new Notes Tool, current Notes Documents will be migrated to Notes Notebooks.
So notes that appeared in a Notes Document will be within a Notes Notebook. One can select a Notebook and just see notes that relate to it.
So a similar mechanism will persist.
One of the goals of the new Notes Tool is that some of the reasons for using Notes Documents will go away but there will still be scenarios where using Notebooks make sense.
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The ability to copy and paste maps from resources to notes.
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I think I would like a more elegant user interface. It seems much of the power of Logos is hidden behind knowing the command shortcuts. Finding ways to making those more accessible would be great.
Also I think a more powerful search tool that easily and elegantly makes searching for resources easier. Again a clean graphical user interface can make options much easier to understand.
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I wish that when I highlighted multiple books in the library that I could open them all somewhere at one go.
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Steven New said:
I think I would like a more elegant user interface. It seems much of the power of Logos is hidden behind knowing the command shortcuts. Finding ways to making those more accessible would be great.
Also I think a more powerful search tool that easily and elegantly makes searching for resources easier. Again a clean graphical user interface can make options much easier to understand.
Hi Steven, I agree with your suggestion. I think the developers are aware of the desire for customers to be able to use the more complex search features more easily.
As a suggestion until then, do you have access to the Bible Browser under the tools menu? If so, have you tried using it? It provides access to many of the datasets using an easy drop down menu. Try it out if you have it until the feature you are requesting becomes available.
Here is a video explaining how to use the Bible Browser: https://www.logos.com/logos-pro?utm_source=blog.logos.com&utm_medium=blog&utm_content=logosprointroducinglogostrainingpage&utm_campaign=promo-logospro2015
Hope this helps.
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I have a wish for Logos 8:
Include a Spaced Repetition System to the flash cards, that is similar to Anki or Memrise or Brainscape.
Thank you!
In Christ,
jeannie
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Jeannie Koh said:
Include a Spaced Repetition System to the flash cards, that is similar to Anki or Memrise or Brainscape.
I think the Flash Card system could use some TLC. There's such great promise for having such a tool in the Logos Universe, but I know their developers have a ton on their plates. [:)]
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Jeannie Koh said:
Include a Spaced Repetition System to the flash cards, that is similar to Anki or Memrise or Brainscape.
Faithlife does have a Flashcards app for Android and iOS that uses Spaced Rep.
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Thanks a lot this is very helpful.
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Thanks for clarifying MJ and Graham.
Graham Criddle said:I would add to what MJ has said.
In the new Notes Tool, current Notes Documents will be migrated to Notes Notebooks.
So notes that appeared in a Notes Document will be within a Notes Notebook. One can select a Notebook and just see notes that relate to it.
So a similar mechanism will persist.
One of the goals of the new Notes Tool is that some of the reasons for using Notes Documents will go away but there will still be scenarios where using Notebooks make sense.
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Please bring back the Orthodox Platinum base package for Logos 8.
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Logos has been my default programme for Bible Study, Sermon Preparation, Devotional Reading, and much more. What more would I like to do:
1. better integration with pdf, mobi, etc.
2. Would appreciate a 2nd "Home Page" or even a "layout section" specifically for worship planning.
3. Could you please consider adding the Bible Project's daily reading plan, integrating their videos at the appropriate places :-)
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I have to admit that my single disappointment with L8 is that it lacks a search builder, which was highly requested.
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Nick said:
I have to admit that my single disappointment with L8 is that it lacks a search builder, which was highly requested.
There was not time to design one (let alone code and test) so an intermediate Search templates met testers' requirements for something that could be done. ... with more templates they should be a step forward but not a final solution.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Scott Cameron said:
or even a "layout section" specifically for worship planning.
This has been suggested ... something may have been done in Proclaim.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Nick said:
I have to admit that my single disappointment with L8 is that it lacks a search builder, which was highly requested.
Nick, I'm really sorry we didn't get to this. We did search query templates as a step in this direction, because it was much more achievable within the time frame we had to finish Logos 8. We'd to iterate on search templates and evolve them toward a full-blown search query builder in the future. There's a chance we might be able to get to this as part of an initiative in 2019, but no promises. I hope we delivered enough other value in Logos 8 to make it a worthy upgrade for you. I'm sorry we didn't get to this.
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James McAdams said:
I would love to see:
- Improvements to sentence diagramming tool (or new tools?) to make arcing/bracketing easier
- A much more open Atlas - choosing our own layers, ability to save view, add labels/arrows/symbols etc - with image export options, of course.
- Open any image in a zoomable window/pane on clicking.
- Support for manuscript images with tagged text
I love all the changes that have been mind, but my most desired features still aren’t in place. 2 of the above 4 felt a bit extravagant but are available in ”competitors” (dead and alive). I thought points 1 & 4 were a shoe-in, though. Being able to actually look at the pictures in the books we’ve bought seems so incredibly basic to me that it blows my mind that we still can’t do this (on desktop or mobile), and arcing kept coming up in surveys etc so I thought it might be near the top of the pile too. Ah well.
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James McAdams said:
and arcing kept coming up in surveys etc so I thought it might be near the top of the pile too
Have you looked at the Canvas tool to see if it meets your requirements?
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Graham Criddle said:James McAdams said:
and arcing kept coming up in surveys etc so I thought it might be near the top of the pile too
Have you looked at the Canvas tool to see if it meets your requirements?
I have indeed - tried to do a simple arcing exercise in it (reconstructing an arc I've already done) and it took over 40 minutes before I gave up. I was able to reconstruct the same arc in BibleArc in a minute or 2.
I do like the canvas tool, but it's just not suitable for this particular purpose.
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James McAdams said:Graham Criddle said:James McAdams said:
and arcing kept coming up in surveys etc so I thought it might be near the top of the pile too
Have you looked at the Canvas tool to see if it meets your requirements?
I have indeed - tried to do a simple arcing exercise in it (reconstructing an arc I've already done) and it took over 40 minutes before I gave up. I was able to reconstruct the same arc in BibleArc in a minute or 2.
I do like the canvas tool, but it's just not suitable for this particular purpose.
It works quite well for arcing, but there is a bit of learning the tool. Here is a partial example. Forgive the sloppiness and incompleteness, it's early and I'm fumbling a bit. It actually comes together much quicker with practice.
https://www.screencast.com/t/5I5CzOT3H5KJ
Hopefully someone will produce some pro videos on creating various types of diagrams and illustrations.
EDIT: Updated video to complete the diagram.
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Randy W. Sims said:James McAdams said:
I have indeed - tried to do a simple arcing exercise in it (reconstructing an arc I've already done) and it took over 40 minutes before I gave up. I was able to reconstruct the same arc in BibleArc in a minute or 2.
I do like the canvas tool, but it's just not suitable for this particular purpose.
It works quite well for arcing, but there is a bit of learning the tool. Here is a partial example. Forgive the sloppiness and incompleteness, it's early and I'm fumbling a bit. It actually comes together much quicker with practice.
https://www.screencast.com/t/5I5CzOT3H5KJ
Hopefully someone will produce some pro videos on creating various types of diagrams and illustrations.
That video feels to me like it validates my point. You're spending a good deal of time prepping the text and boxes before you can even start arcing, and then you're having to push against the way the tool wants to work to get the brackets to line up with the corners of the boxes, and that's all before you can even start on the actual arcing process. Biblearc automates almost all of that process so that you're attention is on the arcing itself., which is what the focus was meant to be on right from the start.
You were able to navigate around it faster than I was - I wanted to resize a box and it kept changing the size of the text box, which wasted a good 5 minutes of my time on it's own. But the fact is, we don't have a tool for arcing/bracketing. I can do arcing more easily in Microsoft Word, and I wouldn't dream of doing arcing using Word because that's still wildly inefficient.
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James McAdams said:Randy W. Sims said:James McAdams said:
I have indeed - tried to do a simple arcing exercise in it (reconstructing an arc I've already done) and it took over 40 minutes before I gave up. I was able to reconstruct the same arc in BibleArc in a minute or 2.
I do like the canvas tool, but it's just not suitable for this particular purpose.
It works quite well for arcing, but there is a bit of learning the tool. Here is a partial example. Forgive the sloppiness and incompleteness, it's early and I'm fumbling a bit. It actually comes together much quicker with practice.
https://www.screencast.com/t/5I5CzOT3H5KJ
Hopefully someone will produce some pro videos on creating various types of diagrams and illustrations.
That video feels to me like it validates my point. You're spending a good deal of time prepping the text and boxes before you can even start arcing, and then you're having to push against the way the tool wants to work to get the brackets to line up with the corners of the boxes, and that's all before you can even start on the actual arcing process. Biblearc automates almost all of that process so that you're attention is on the arcing itself., which is what the focus was meant to be on right from the start.
Your point is valid and a good one. Canvas is not going to be as efficient as a specialized, purpose made tool. It can be improved with use and feedback. We've already asked for more control of the text that's imported and hopefully that will come along. Better shapes with better connection points will help the drawings to look more like what you're used to. But it's never going to be as efficient. However, it is much much more expressive, featured, and flexible. You can make a lot of different diagrams and illustrations instead of needing a specialized tool for each diagram. One tool also means that once you are familiar with the basics you will know how to create any type of diagram, you don't have to learn a new tool for each diagram you want to create. There are tradeoffs. It's not perfect. But it can improve with use and plenty of feedback to Faithlife so they know people are using it and what they want to use it for.
FWIW, I updated the video above to complete the diagram, though it doesn't demonstrate anything new from the first version.
EDIT: Grr, updated one last time. I goofed the splice. We need a video demo expert.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Nick, I'm really sorry we didn't get to this. We did search query templates as a step in this direction, because it was much more achievable within the time frame we had to finish Logos 8. We'd to iterate on search templates and evolve them toward a full-blown search query builder in the future. There's a chance we might be able to get to this as part of an initiative in 2019, but no promises. I hope we delivered enough other value in Logos 8 to make it a worthy upgrade for you. I'm sorry we didn't get to this.
Phil - knowing that this request has not only been heard, but is in serious consideration has made my day. Thank you!
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Nick said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Nick, I'm really sorry we didn't get to this. We did search query templates as a step in this direction, because it was much more achievable within the time frame we had to finish Logos 8. We'd to iterate on search templates and evolve them toward a full-blown search query builder in the future. There's a chance we might be able to get to this as part of an initiative in 2019, but no promises. I hope we delivered enough other value in Logos 8 to make it a worthy upgrade for you. I'm sorry we didn't get to this.
Phil - knowing that this request has not only been heard, but is in serious consideration has made my day. Thank you!
Yes, this is good news to know it is being considered
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Mark said:Nick said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Nick, I'm really sorry we didn't get to this. We did search query templates as a step in this direction, because it was much more achievable within the time frame we had to finish Logos 8. We'd to iterate on search templates and evolve them toward a full-blown search query builder in the future. There's a chance we might be able to get to this as part of an initiative in 2019, but no promises. I hope we delivered enough other value in Logos 8 to make it a worthy upgrade for you. I'm sorry we didn't get to this.
Phil - knowing that this request has not only been heard, but is in serious consideration has made my day. Thank you!
Yes, this is good news to know it is being considered
I know folks will be less than pleased with another less than enthused point.
But which planet does FL live on? I think a complicated search complaint's been around even during Libby days ... ergo the graphical attempt and 3 attempts at searches. Then you had dumping search examples in front of people's UI, hoping someone on the forum knew the syntax, and now templates. Granted, 9 years is a pretty tight schedule.
Ok, nail me .... I'm waiting for 8.1's amazing features.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Then you had dumping search examples in front of people's UI, hoping someone on the forum knew the syntax,
You realize that clicking on the example moved it into the Search box and thus made it a type of template. Only complex arguments required coming to the forums. Well, complex arguments and when the user needed help clarifying what they wanted.
Yes, I know that you're the glass-half-full counterpart to my glass-approximately-but-never-precisely-half-full.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Denise said:
I know folks will be less than pleased with another less than enthused point.
You point is well taken. I am glad they are attempting to work on it, but yes, I agree that the search issue is probably within the top 3 blunders in Logos history. We wait another two years...
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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) posted to Re: Logos 8 Wishlist in the Logos 7 forum
Earth.
Those of us who now know that “life begins at 70” may have a different perspective on Logos 8 than the younger (along with ‘churchanity' in general)...
Firstly, Thank you!
Secondly, what I ‘wish’ for now is a “global back / history" button in whatever screen is open.
This may be ’too much’ to ask for...
Usually I have five or more windows open.
When I click to go elsewhere for a definition, and then elsewhere for a cross-ref, and then elsewhere again and again, I realize I’ve lost my place. [ “…now, where was I??” ]
Sometimes a tab may be hidden in the same screen I’m in (too many open tabs), but after 10 minutes I don’t know where it is.
Perhaps younger folk may not have this problem, er, ummm, situation.
Shalom
Dav!d
Jude 3, 4; 1Co10< Earlier I mistakenly sent this to the wrong place - I apologize if this shows up as a duplicate >
And...
I wish L8 would allow program setting to be 100%, while allowing ribbon / menus to be set at 70% or 80%. They do seem too large and taking up too much space compared to the rest of the window. [Or just a small / large icon setting]. No doubt LOW priority.
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David Betts said:
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Secondly, what I ‘wish’ for now is a “global back / history" button in whatever screen is open.
This may be ’too much’ to ask for...
Usually I have five or more windows open.
When I click to go elsewhere for a definition, and then elsewhere for a cross-ref, and then elsewhere again and again, I realize I’ve lost my place. [ “…now, where was I??” ]
Sometimes a tab may be hidden in the same screen I’m in (too many open tabs), but after 10 minutes I don’t know where it is.<snip />
David, you may find the History tool helpful for this. You can type Show History into the command bar (or find it in the Tools menu: if you use it a lot, you may want to Pin it to the top).
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I would like to be able to choose my own color for the background and toolbars and also the ability to import and my own artwork as a background. A “dark mode” would also be nice.
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MJ. Smith said:Scott Cameron said:
or even a "layout section" specifically for worship planning.
This has been suggested ... something may have been done in Proclaim.
I would rather something more integrated into my Logos 8, and which is FREE.
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abondservant said:
The SSD upgrade is probably 100$, depending on how much space you need it can be a lot more. Any decent computer tech can help you, or you can do it your self. Its not too hard. The worst part is reinstalling the OS if you don't have software to clone your existing drive.
Thanks, I took your advice. Upgraded to a 1 tb Samsug SSD and the computer flys. It seems that my bottleneck was the hard drive. It has tripled the speed of logos & indexing. I no longer have a problem.
David
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