The best software for biblestudy ?
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To put it another way. Logos can be seen as a e-book multi-platform database that encompasses bible "libraries". It is much more and much less than stand alone bible programs such as Quickverse and PC-Study Bible. It complexities and expense and multiple platform performance comes from the "librarian" nature of its core free program. It could just as easily use other "libraries" such as classic books with a few twinks here and there ( I would argue). It is starting to compete with other products like Kindle (which it may or may not survive) across these platforms...expect an ipad compatible extension of this program I would think. Good, bad, or indifferent in my mind L4 is not a bible program its much more.
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ReneAtchley said:
Good, bad, or indifferent in my mind L4 is not a bible program its much more.
Thanks - I understand what you mean now. And it will help me to have the additional perspective on what "Bible software" as a term means to people.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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ReneAtchley said:
To put it another way. Logos can
be seen as a e-book multi-platform database that encompasses bible
"libraries". It is much more and much less than stand alone bible
programs such as Quickverse and PC-Study Bible. It complexities and
expense and multiple platform performance comes from the "librarian"
nature of its core free program. It could just as easily use other
"libraries" such as classic books with a few twinks here and there ( I
would argue). It is starting to compete with other products like
Kindle (which it may or may not survive) across these
platforms...expect an ipad compatible extension of this program I would
think. Good, bad, or indifferent in my mind L4 is not a bible program
its much more.Rene,
Your definition (which I'm still not totally clear on) is different from most everyone else's, including Logos (See product name: Logos Bible Software).
People use Logos to study the bible. Having one's own definition
makes for these semantic arguments, especially when the generally accepted definition is dismissed with a "..really...[:^)]" and no other explanation (which you've since rectified). Microsoft Word is still a word processor even though it can be used for so much more than processing words (scripting, mailing lists, graphics, etc). Right?You're right that Logos is a Library System (hence the previous name). But it's also Bible software (it's specifically designed for Bible study).
Can't it be both?
Too bad the online forum format encourages brief interaction. I'm sure this would have been an easier discussion if we were all in the same room.
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ReneAtchley said:
To put it another way.
NOW I understand you. Thank you for persisting in your dialogue.
Yes, Logos is not only a Bible software program. I don't think it was ever intended to be only that. It meets needs that most users will never have. Scholars do things with it that I don't even understand. The linguists, theologians, professors and preachers all have tools to work with that I may never delve into. My family benefits from the educational material and graphics. Many times we find ourselves looking at a resource we didn't thinkl we would need or be interested in. Then there is the study for the sheer joy of it. I am personally interested in archeology but don't really need that diversion. It is nice to have those resources in Logos (The Ultimate Archeology Collection http://www.logos.com/products/details/3267 is on my short wishlist. I'll get it whenever they quit rolling out super Pre-Pubs.)
Yes Rene, Logos is not just a Bible software program. That is why it is my favorite software program of all types.
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ReneAtchley said:
To put it another way. Logos can be seen as a e-book multi-platform database that encompasses bible "libraries". It is much more and much less than stand alone bible programs such as Quickverse and PC-Study Bible. It complexities and expense and multiple platform performance comes from the "librarian" nature of its core free program. It could just as easily use other "libraries" such as classic books with a few twinks here and there ( I would argue). It is starting to compete with other products like Kindle (which it may or may not survive) across these platforms...expect an ipad compatible extension of this program I would think. Good, bad, or indifferent in my mind L4 is not a bible program its much more.
I probably should just let this die...with this thread, but I believe that sometimes what is written isn't clear...may not even be what the writer intended to say. Above I find another example of confession...how is Logos much less that the others...particularly QV (which I also own and only open to use a few resources as an e-reader? Admittedly, we all need to exhibit much grace toward one another; however, let's us strive for clarity in our posts as well.
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Logos has historically defined itself clearly as a Christian Library program or at least functions that way. A love fest about all the new bells and whistles of the L4 interface perhaps has obscured the basic nature of the core librarian program. However, the significance of this database architecture of L4 didn't really strike me until I started to see how transferable on various platforms it is or has become. The subtleness of this kind of library management function maybe missed unless one considers what can happen when a) Logos branches out into other "libraries" and/or b) there is direct competition from other e-book readers. How much is one Christian's Library worth if its not a core business of Logos? I would consider L4 less than QV in terms of ease of use and applications...i.e. Bibleworks.
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ReneAtchley said:
Logos has historically defined itself clearly as a Christian Library program or at least functions that way.
Maybe you don't know the history of the company. It was started by two Micros@ft programmers. The product they came up with is essentially a search engine. They chose to apply this to Bible study. That is the difference between the creators of G@@gle or Alt@ Vista and the founders of Logos. The Logos focus has always been on Bible study.
ReneAtchley said:a) Logos branches out into other "libraries" and/or
Yes, Logos has an amazing library search engine at it's core. That is why it runs circles around the others. But to curse it because it does is silly. It is like refusing to drive to church because an automobile could also be driven to a bar.
ReneAtchley said:b) there is direct competition from other e-book readers.
It is kind of hard to compete with FREE. The Logos iPhone app is free. No other company gives you Reverse Interlinears for free Logos is making much of our resources freely available on mobile apps so we don't have to pay for them twice.
ReneAtchley said:How much is one Christian's Library worth if its not a core business of Logos?
Not every Bible software program is published by a Christian company. QV has changed hands so many times, I can't keep up. On occasion, it's parent companies have marketed secular (or worse) software. The only thing I know QV can do that Logos doesn't is add PDF into the library. BobP did ask us in a survey once if this was important to us. I guess the others told him "not much."
ReneAtchley said:I would consider L4 less than QV in terms of ease of use and applications...
BibleGateway is easier to use than QV and Logos has 10x the applications of QV. How many Rabbis, Seminary Professors, Archeologists, Historians, and Translators use QV for their work? Any specialized tool takes time to learn how to use. Not just anybody can operate a screw machine or transfer. That is why machinists make a good wage. But Logos can be used for the simplest Bible study as well as the deep, intensive studies. The more effort you apply to it, the more you get rewarded.
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Others may disagree with me but Rene made an off-hand statement that several of us did not understand. We asked for clarification. We received clarification. If I were Rene, I would feel put-upon if that answer turned into an argument. I should, of course, let Rene speak for herself.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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BobbyTerhune said:
At the current time Logos has about 500,000 users,
I had no idea the user base was so large. Very impressive. Do you think that is mostly in the US?
Have a great day,
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Todd Phillips said:
I assume it was a misfired neuron.
Wait until you get to my age. Then the neurons go into mass rebellion.
Have a great day,
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MJ. Smith said:
Others may disagree with me but Rene made an off-hand statement that several of us did not understand. We asked for clarification. We received clarification. If I were Rene, I would feel put-upon if that answer turned into an argument. I should, of course, let Rene speak for herself.
Several decades ago my missionary father came home with great news. He had just met Dale & Bob Pritchett and heard of their new Bible software that ran differently than anything else. From Day 1, Logos has been focused on Bible study. The Pritchett family have blessed the Church more than most realize. If Rene wants to define Bible software very narrowly, that's fine. I can now understand her and communicate with her. That does not justify reaching conclusions based on incorrect assumptions. The facts are not supporting her conclusion.
Bottom line: Logos has a track record of quality, diligence and faithfulness. BobP also wrote a sticky note app. That doesn't make him any less Christian for doing so. (Even if you use it to remind yourself to buy lottery tickets. [6] )
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ReneAtchley, thanks for your comments, although I would now say I disagree with your starting statement about Logos, it is a biblestudy software, and getting back to the question that was first asked, about what is the best software for biblestudy, I think Libronix 3 currently fits that billing or at least it should not be dismissed because it is not a bible software program.
I would simply state that a good library function is an important part of a good bible study program, and if you keep up to date with other bible study programs you will see they are greatly improving this function in their programs and starting to have many more titles too!.
In fact currently one of the better bible study programs is free and it offers over 1000 free modules on the internet, but it has a very good library management system that is improving all the time. One of it's biggest draw backs is a lack of copyrighted resources.
Like you have mentioned one of the cutting edge ideas concerning Logos right now is making it accessable in a number of platforms, but that just increases the usefulness, of the bible study program,
As far as easy to use or not, it all depends on what you want to do, if a person understands the Passage guide and other guides in Libronix 3 and wants to only use those, they have a very simple bible study program to use, and they would most likely never have to go any farther than using those and they would learn a great amount about the scriptures. The problem with most of us is we want to do more and do it faster and for those that want to fully use Libronix 3 it involves a very steep and long learning curve, but it has a huge upside!!!
So I would say Libronix 3 is the best software for biblestudy, but I know you disagree with that and there is nothing wrong with that!
Thanks again for not giving up on me, I have a much better understanding of how you came to your conclusion.
In Christ,
Jim
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The best one is the one you have on your computer and use regularly. That being said, I find myself primarily using two: Logos 3 and now 4, and Bibleworks 8. I find myself having both open most days when I study, as there are some things that I just find I do quicker in Bibleworks, but I really like Logos resources. The speed and convenience I find may have far more to do with what I am familiar with than what is "best." Buy at least one (of course I recommend Logos) and use it. Sometimes our studies can look like a few workshops I have seen where the owner is very proud of his excellent tools, but never actually builds anything!
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NordZootman said:
Sometimes our studies can look like a few workshops I have seen where the owner is very proud of his excellent tools, but never actually builds anything!
For those of us who are preachers and teachers of the Word the results of our craftsmanship are what we fashion week by week for our people from God's Word. Many years ago I was asked by the Inland Revenue (British tax office) to explain why I used books and computer software rather than just the Bible. I explained that the Bible was the essential raw material for the preacher/teacher, while the reference books, commentaries and software were the tools I used to uncover, carve and construct sermons, children's addresses, pastoral letters and bible study materials for my people. The analogy is far from perfect, for one thing it completely ignores the vital and all-important work of the Holy Spirit in the whole process, but it convinced the tax inspector and I was allowed to claim tax relief on the purchase of these resources/tools for my work as a minister. Logos is a way of utilising those tools and resources in a far more efficient manner than I did previously using print resources. That is why I use it, day and daily. And I give thanks to God for it.
Every blessing
Alan
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OFF-Topic, a bit.
Alan Macgregor said:For those of us who are preachers and teachers of the Word
Alan, Are any of your sermons available online in audio format? Every time I read your posts it sounds like a rich message of hope & comfort. (I don't know how that comes across in the mundane subjects we talk about here but it does.) I would like to give a listen to a few if you wouldn't mind.
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Jacob Hantla said:
Rene, Logos if far more than a library manager (esp L3 and what L4 will be when all tools brought up to date). What "Bible Software" tools do you want Logos to be able to do that other Bible software packages can do. I tried BibleSoft a few years ago and couldn't figure out why I'd want it if I had Logos. No additional tools (that I used or knew of) and lots less resource and library integration. I/we could be missing something. What's missing?...and if it really is I bet Logos will work to add it.
I have no doubt the number one bible study software is Logos bible sofware, as I have mentioned it ,I have the Pc Study bible and Quickverse ,they are good ,but the best is Logos ,the difference is between Fiat 6oo car of Italy and Mercedes of Germany (tra fiat seicento auto mercedes e della Germania) Now, I know what I have ,but most of all, I pray to God that I would not be accountable for it for not using it as I should,
Blessings in Christ.
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Dan DeVilder said:
So, you are saying you get more mileage for your dollar (euro) by using the other brands?
Maybe this is a case of; I can get where I need to in a Fiat or a Mercedes. So it would be poor stewardship to buy the Mercedes when a Fiat would suffice.
On the surface this reasoning looks good. But I have owned a Fiat and know from experience, I could not count on it to get me there every time. [au] Also, I would rather be inside the Mercedes if I crash on the Autobahn.
Then there is the sheer pleasure of riding in the nicer car. Judas criticized the expense of the perfume used to annoint Jesus' feet. Sometimes God says, "Others may, You may not." But God blesses me daily with niceties I don't need. (I've already eaten chocolate this morning, fired up Logos 4, and am about to drink gourmet coffee. [C] )
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Dan DeVilder said:
So, you are saying you get more mileage for your dollar (euro) by using the other brands?
Dan, not now, I will tell you later what I mean ,Now let the experts say something.about it.
Blessings in Christ.
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Tes said:
Dan, not now, I will tell you later what I mean ,Now let the experts say something.about it.
[:-*] Dan is an expert. He just works undercover. [:#] Shh. Don't tell. [;)]
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Matthew C Jones said:
Dan is an expert. He just works undercover. 
Shh. Don't tell. 
He is indeed an expert.What I mean is some more expets. I laughes alone when I read his comments.
Blessings in Christ.
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Tes said:Matthew C Jones said: Dan is an expert. He just works undercover. Shh. Don't tell.
He is indeed an expert.What I mean is some more expets. I laughes alone when I read his comments.
glad I could make you guys smile. and you both have made ME smile with your various comments! [:)]
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Matthew C Jones said:
OFF-Topic, a bit.
Alan Macgregor said:For those of us who are preachers and teachers of the Word
Alan, Are any of your sermons available online in audio format? Every time I read your posts it sounds like a rich message of hope & comfort. (I don't know how that comes across in the mundane subjects we talk about here but it does.) I would like to give a listen to a few if you wouldn't mind.
Matthew,
I responded to your question as a comment on your page. When I looked back it had vanished. Perhaps you saw it read it and removed it after reading, but perhaps it did not "stick". (A few of my posts seem to have difficulty making it from Post to the forum page.) If that was the case then email me at banffkirk at btconnect dot com and I'll respond.
Every blessing
Alan
iMac Retina 5K, 27": 3.6GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9; 16GB RAM;MacOS 10.15.5; 1TB SSD; Logos 8
MacBook Air 13.3": 1.8GHz; 4GB RAM; MacOS 10.13.6; 256GB SSD; Logos 8
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iPhone 8+ 64GB iOS 13.5.1
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Dan DeVilder said:
So, you are saying you get more mileage for your dollar (euro) by using the other brands?
You have concentrated on
the name of the company, I am talking particularly about fiat 600,it ‘s better to
make a little survey about it before coming to the point of the Mercedes
in GermanyBlessings in Christ.
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