Tyndale Commentary Set - Problems with Pricing??

I refer to the following:

https://www.logos.com/product/148916/tyndale-commentaries

According to the product page, when I buy this set for $269.99, I will have NO NEW RESOURCE. In other words, I own every resource in this set, but I can buy it again for $269.99.

Makes sense?

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Keith Pang

I wonder if it is similar to what happened with the Tim Keller sermon archive?

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947562#Comment_947562

It is probably because the updated volumes are now in there

JT (alabama24)

According to the product page, when I buy this set for $269.99, I will have NO NEW RESOURCE. In other words, I own every resource in this set, but I can buy it again for $269.99.

Screenshot?

Vincent Chia

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947566#Comment_947566

Seems to be sorted out now. It shows dynamic pricing, and my price is $0.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947569#Comment_947569

[Y]

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947570#Comment_947570

How good are the updated volumes?

Paul N

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947574#Comment_947574

https://www.logos.com/product/138788/tyndale-commentaries-upgrade

Of these 9, only 2 Corinthians (Colin Kruse) and James (Douglas Moo) are updates from the same author. The other 7 are new authors.

It may make sense that the 2 Volume Pslams was replaced due to "age", but more curious are other volumes replaced after 5 to 10 years.

From the Wikipedia article on the series, it does seem the goal of the set is to continuously refresh volumes over time.

Paul Barker reviews the new Jay Sklar - Leviticus volume in Themelios:

http://themelios.thegospelcoalition.org/review/leviticus-tyndale-old-testament-commentary-jay-sklar

C Hassell Bullock reviews the new Tremper Longman - Psalms volume(s) in Themelios:

http://themelios.thegospelcoalition.org/review/psalms-an-introduction-and-commentary

Daniel Estes reviews the new Iain Duguid - Song of Songs volume in Themelios:

http://themelios.thegospelcoalition.org/review/two-new-song-of-songs-commentaries

DAL

Dynamic pricing has been fixed! Cool 😎 decisions, decisions 👍😁👌

John Kight

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947625#Comment_947625

I'm trying to figure out why they didnt include Colin Kruse's second edition of John... seems rather odd.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947625#Comment_947625

Yes this is much better. When these updates first came out Logos wanted $160 for them. Now my dynamic price is $44. Seems almost too good to be true. I concur with one of the previous comments... are these 9 new volumes worth it? I have heard Skylar's version on Leviticus is excellent but I don't know on any of the others

Paul N

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947627#Comment_947627

I'm trying to figure out why they didnt include Colin Kruse's second edition of John... seems rather odd.

https://www.ivpress.com/john-tntc

"The original, unrevised text of this volume has been completely retypeset and printed in a larger, more attractive format with the new cover design for the series."

...surely that's not all that was updated? (I haven't read either editions)

It looks like the author added more content throughout.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947625#Comment_947625

Dynamic pricing has been fixed!

The price has gone down since I purchased last night. Can someone at FL check to see if I got the correct price?

EDIT: Thanks! (The price was right... cue Drew Carey).

Jan Krohn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947628#Comment_947628

I wonder why the updates are not in the NT bundle...

https://www.logos.com/product/147634/tyndale-new-testament-commentaries

Bobby Terhune

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947638#Comment_947638

Paul N,

This is from the author's preface to the 2nd edition.

I am grateful for the opportunity to upgrade my earlier commentary on the Gospel of John, first published in 2003, and I want to express my thanks to Dr Philip Duce, Senior Commissioning Editor at Inter-Varsity Press, and Professor Eckhard Schnabel, the Series Editor of the Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, for the invitation to do so. This provides an opportunity to thoroughly revise, expand and update it in the light of more recent studies and so enhance its value for present-day readers. This new edition is based on the widely used New International Version (2011).

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947627#Comment_947627

I'm trying to figure out why they didnt include Colin Kruse's second edition of John... seems rather odd.

...perhaps because it makes a prior resource obsolete. Typically FL is slow about putting out new editions for that reason.

JohnB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947634#Comment_947634

The price has gone down since I purchased last night. Can someone at FL check to see if I got the correct price?

I think there might be problems as it has no price shown at the moment!

John Kight

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947647#Comment_947647

I'm trying to figure out why they didnt include Colin Kruse's second edition of John... seems rather odd.

...perhaps because it makes a prior resource obsolete. Typically FL is slow about putting out new editions for that reason.

That's possible, but the collection appears to have both first and second editions of other volumes (some with new authors). My thought is that it is due to it being the most recently released volume in the series. I know FL is generally slow to upgraded bundles to include volumes recently released.

I would like the 2nd edition, but the price will be significantly better as part of the collection with dynamic pricing.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947660#Comment_947660

I’m good with the older set. Great upgrade price, though 👍😁👌

Andrew Malone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/947622#Comment_947622

Two quick updates on this thread, now that the Tyndale volumes are making a splash with the February sale (see this thread).

https://www.logos.com/product/138788/tyndale-commentaries-upgrade
...
It may make sense that the 2 Volume Pslams was replaced due to "age", but more curious are other volumes replaced after 5 to 10 years.

TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.

book	original	replaced
Leviticus	Harrison, 1980	Sklar, 2013
Deuteronomy	Thompson, 1974	Woods, 2011
Psalms	Kidner, 1973, 1975	Longman, 2014
Song of Songs	Carr, 1984	Duguid, 2015
Jeremiah, Lamentations	Harrison, 1973	Lalleman, 2013
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi	Baldwin, 1972	Hill, 2012
Mark	Cole, 1961, rev. 1989	Schnabel, 2017

The question has also been raised about Colin Kruse's revision of John (2003, rev. 2017). I'm guessing the answer is as simple as others have suggested: the revision has occurred too recently to be included. I'm pretty confident of this because neither does the set include two other recent, 2017 volumes: Lindsay Wilson on Proverbs and Mary Evans on Judges and Ruth. I guess we're just lucky that Eckhard Schnabel got his Mark volume out earlier in the year.

Joshua Tan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/953176#Comment_953176

Two quick updates on this thread, now that the Tyndale volumes are making a splash with the February sale (see this thread).

https://www.logos.com/product/138788/tyndale-commentaries-upgrade
...
It may make sense that the 2 Volume Pslams was replaced due to "age", but more curious are other volumes replaced after 5 to 10 years.

TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.

book original replaced
Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013
Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011
Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014
Song of Songs
Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015
Jeremiah, Lamentations
Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012
Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017
The question has also been raised about Colin Kruse's revision of John (2003, rev. 2017). I'm guessing the answer is as simple as others have suggested: the revision has occurred too recently to be included. I'm pretty confident of this because neither does the set include two other recent, 2017 volumes: Lindsay Wilson on Proverbs and Mary Evans on Judges and Ruth. I guess we're just lucky that Eckhard Schnabel got his Mark volume out earlier in the year.

I'm a little confused by this list. How many commentaries (in the series) are there currently for each book in the Bible?

For example, according to the product listings:

Leviticus (Harrison, 2008)
Deuteronomy (Thompson, 2008)
Psalms 1-72 (Kidner, 2008)
Psalms 73-150 (Kidner, 1975)
Song of Songs (Carr, 2008)
Jeremiah, Lamentations (Harrison, 2008)
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi (Baldwin, 2008)
Mark (Cole, 2008)

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/953176#Comment_953176

TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.

book original replaced
Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013
Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011
Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014
Song of Songs
Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015
Jeremiah, Lamentations
Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012
Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017

Library shows one more replacement plus two revisions:

book	original	update
Esther	Baldwin, 1984	Reid, 2008
2 Corinthians	Kruse, 1987	Kruse, 2015
James	Moo, 1985	Moo, 2015

Thankful Year, Series, and Author prefixes can be added to Titles so can see years between revision/replacement.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Joshua Tan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/953194#Comment_953194

TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.

book original replaced
Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013
Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011
Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014
Song of Songs
Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015
Jeremiah, Lamentations
Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012
Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017

Library shows one more replacement plus two revisions:

book original update
Esther Baldwin, 1984 Reid, 2008
2 Corinthians Kruse, 1987 Kruse, 2015
James Moo, 1985 Moo, 2015

Thankful Year, Series, and Author prefixes can be added to Titles so can see years between revision/replacement.

Keep Smiling

Wow. Did you add the prefixes manually?

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/953196#Comment_953196

Wow. Did you add the prefixes manually?

Yes, see reply => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/139386/890581.aspx#890581 (usually include Author in Title prefix)

Keep Smiling [:)]

Andrew Malone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/953190#Comment_953190

I'm a little confused by this list. How many commentaries (in the series) are there currently for each book in the Bible?

Yes, Joshua, the list is quite confusing. KS4J introduces some helpful language. Some volumes (e.g. Deuteronomy, Esther, Proverbs Mark) are being replaced; a new author is writing a new volume. Others are being revised, with the same author updating their own work (e.g. John, 2 Corinthians). So counting or listing them isn't a simple task.

As I noted earlier, this is further confused by the 2008 repackaging. The original volume on Deuteronomy (by Thompson) was first published in 1974. But, as you've noticed, the Logos version often provides only the 2008 re-release date. That gives rise to the sense that a new volume on the same book (by Woods) in 2013 is surprisingly hasty.

My own additional confusion is that I've got two Logos copies of most of the old versions. Perhaps the original UK version has now been supplemented by the US release? That may have been naturally gifted to me, or I may have picked up the other release when buying a few additional volumes at some point. Any clever insights welcome. (I'll have to trawl KS4J's list to see if there are hints... [;)])

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956826#Comment_956826

My own additional confusion is that I've got two Logos copies of most of the old versions.

The LLS number & date at the bottom of the resource Information page should give some insights.

Andrew Malone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957333#Comment_957333

Thanks, Dave. Yes, now that I look, one version gives its file ID and filename as the series/volume and the other lists the same info with a US suffix. For example, TOTC20PR and TOTC20PRUS.

Now that I've had a moment to explore a couple of other differences, there are a few incongruities. Unsure whether the US set or (the one that I'll call) the UK edition is preferable:

different production dates; the UK edition is older (2010 file) while the US release is more recently updated (2016)
ironically, then, older UK release has better corrections (e.g. series editor's name at the end of the General Preface) and more internal linking to other Logos resources
conversely, newer US release has added newer metadata (e.g. Popular Highlights; Timeline Events)
US version gives a fuller Copyright page (although any info common to both is identical)
the US version presents itself as part of a set, which then displays page breaks with longer (and, IMHO, less attractive) volume information

In short, the UK version seems much more usable, so it's surprising or disappointing to observe the shortcomings in the more updated US release.