Tyndale Commentary Set - Problems with Pricing??

I refer to the following:
https://www.logos.com/product/148916/tyndale-commentaries
According to the product page, when I buy this set for $269.99, I will have NO NEW RESOURCE. In other words, I own every resource in this set, but I can buy it again for $269.99.
Makes sense?
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I wonder if it is similar to what happened with the Tim Keller sermon archive?
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It is probably because the updated volumes are now in there
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Vincent Chia said:
According to the product page, when I buy this set for $269.99, I will have NO NEW RESOURCE. In other words, I own every resource in this set, but I can buy it again for $269.99.
Screenshot?
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Seems to be sorted out now. It shows dynamic pricing, and my price is $0.
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How good are the updated volumes?
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https://www.logos.com/product/138788/tyndale-commentaries-upgrade
Of these 9, only 2 Corinthians (Colin Kruse) and James (Douglas Moo) are updates from the same author. The other 7 are new authors.
It may make sense that the 2 Volume Pslams was replaced due to "age", but more curious are other volumes replaced after 5 to 10 years.
From the Wikipedia article on the series, it does seem the goal of the set is to continuously refresh volumes over time.
Paul Barker reviews the new Jay Sklar - Leviticus volume in Themelios:
http://themelios.thegospelcoalition.org/review/leviticus-tyndale-old-testament-commentary-jay-sklar
C Hassell Bullock reviews the new Tremper Longman - Psalms volume(s) in Themelios:
http://themelios.thegospelcoalition.org/review/psalms-an-introduction-and-commentary
Daniel Estes reviews the new Iain Duguid - Song of Songs volume in Themelios:
http://themelios.thegospelcoalition.org/review/two-new-song-of-songs-commentaries
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Dynamic pricing has been fixed! Cool 😎 decisions, decisions 👍😁👌
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I'm trying to figure out why they didnt include Colin Kruse's second edition of John... seems rather odd.
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Yes this is much better. When these updates first came out Logos wanted $160 for them. Now my dynamic price is $44. Seems almost too good to be true. I concur with one of the previous comments... are these 9 new volumes worth it? I have heard Skylar's version on Leviticus is excellent but I don't know on any of the others
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John Kight said:
I'm trying to figure out why they didnt include Colin Kruse's second edition of John... seems rather odd.
https://www.ivpress.com/john-tntc
"The original, unrevised text of this volume has been completely retypeset and printed in a larger, more attractive format with the new cover design for the series."
...surely that's not all that was updated? (I haven't read either editions)
It looks like the author added more content throughout.
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DAL said:
Dynamic pricing has been fixed!
The price has gone down since I purchased last night. Can someone at FL check to see if I got the correct price?
EDIT: Thanks! (The price was right... cue Drew Carey).
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I wonder why the updates are not in the NT bundle...
https://www.logos.com/product/147634/tyndale-new-testament-commentaries
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Paul N,
This is from the author's preface to the 2nd edition.
I am grateful for the opportunity to upgrade my earlier commentary on the Gospel of John, first published in 2003, and I want to express my thanks to Dr Philip Duce, Senior Commissioning Editor at Inter-Varsity Press, and Professor Eckhard Schnabel, the Series Editor of the Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, for the invitation to do so. This provides an opportunity to thoroughly revise, expand and update it in the light of more recent studies and so enhance its value for present-day readers. This new edition is based on the widely used New International Version (2011).
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John Kight said:
I'm trying to figure out why they didnt include Colin Kruse's second edition of John... seems rather odd.
...perhaps because it makes a prior resource obsolete. Typically FL is slow about putting out new editions for that reason.
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alabama24 said:John Kight said:
I'm trying to figure out why they didnt include Colin Kruse's second edition of John... seems rather odd.
...perhaps because it makes a prior resource obsolete. Typically FL is slow about putting out new editions for that reason.
That's possible, but the collection appears to have both first and second editions of other volumes (some with new authors). My thought is that it is due to it being the most recently released volume in the series. I know FL is generally slow to upgraded bundles to include volumes recently released.
I would like the 2nd edition, but the price will be significantly better as part of the collection with dynamic pricing.
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I’m good with the older set. Great upgrade price, though 👍😁👌
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Two quick updates on this thread, now that the Tyndale volumes are making a splash with the February sale (see this thread).
Paul N said:https://www.logos.com/product/138788/tyndale-commentaries-upgrade
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It may make sense that the 2 Volume Pslams was replaced due to "age", but more curious are other volumes replaced after 5 to 10 years.TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.
book original replaced Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013 Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011 Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014 Song of Songs Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015 Jeremiah, Lamentations Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013 Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012 Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017 The question has also been raised about Colin Kruse's revision of John (2003, rev. 2017). I'm guessing the answer is as simple as others have suggested: the revision has occurred too recently to be included. I'm pretty confident of this because neither does the set include two other recent, 2017 volumes: Lindsay Wilson on Proverbs and Mary Evans on Judges and Ruth. I guess we're just lucky that Eckhard Schnabel got his Mark volume out earlier in the year.
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Andrew Malone said:
Two quick updates on this thread, now that the Tyndale volumes are making a splash with the February sale (see this thread).
Paul N said:https://www.logos.com/product/138788/tyndale-commentaries-upgrade
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It may make sense that the 2 Volume Pslams was replaced due to "age", but more curious are other volumes replaced after 5 to 10 years.TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.
book original replaced Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013 Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011 Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014 Song of Songs Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015 Jeremiah, Lamentations Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013 Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012 Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017 The question has also been raised about Colin Kruse's revision of John (2003, rev. 2017). I'm guessing the answer is as simple as others have suggested: the revision has occurred too recently to be included. I'm pretty confident of this because neither does the set include two other recent, 2017 volumes: Lindsay Wilson on Proverbs and Mary Evans on Judges and Ruth. I guess we're just lucky that Eckhard Schnabel got his Mark volume out earlier in the year.
I'm a little confused by this list. How many commentaries (in the series) are there currently for each book in the Bible?
For example, according to the product listings:
- Leviticus (Harrison, 2008)
- Deuteronomy (Thompson, 2008)
- Psalms 1-72 (Kidner, 2008)
- Psalms 73-150 (Kidner, 1975)
- Song of Songs (Carr, 2008)
- Jeremiah, Lamentations (Harrison, 2008)
- Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi (Baldwin, 2008)
- Mark (Cole, 2008)
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Andrew Malone said:
TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.
book original replaced Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013 Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011 Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014 Song of Songs Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015 Jeremiah, Lamentations Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013 Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012 Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017 Library shows one more replacement plus two revisions:
book original update Esther Baldwin, 1984 Reid, 2008 2 Corinthians Kruse, 1987 Kruse, 2015 James Moo, 1985 Moo, 2015 Thankful Year, Series, and Author prefixes can be added to Titles so can see years between revision/replacement.
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Andrew Malone said:
TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.
book original replaced Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013 Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011 Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014 Song of Songs Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015 Jeremiah, Lamentations Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013 Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012 Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017 Library shows one more replacement plus two revisions:
book original update Esther Baldwin, 1984 Reid, 2008 2 Corinthians Kruse, 1987 Kruse, 2015 James Moo, 1985 Moo, 2015 Thankful Year, Series, and Author prefixes can be added to Titles so can see years between revision/replacement.
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Wow. Did you add the prefixes manually?
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Joshua Tan said:
Wow. Did you add the prefixes manually?
Yes, see reply => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/139386/890581.aspx#890581 (usually include Author in Title prefix)
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Joshua Tan said:
I'm a little confused by this list. How many commentaries (in the series) are there currently for each book in the Bible?
Yes, Joshua, the list is quite confusing. KS4J introduces some helpful language. Some volumes (e.g. Deuteronomy, Esther, Proverbs Mark) are being replaced; a new author is writing a new volume. Others are being revised, with the same author updating their own work (e.g. John, 2 Corinthians). So counting or listing them isn't a simple task.
As I noted earlier, this is further confused by the 2008 repackaging. The original volume on Deuteronomy (by Thompson) was first published in 1974. But, as you've noticed, the Logos version often provides only the 2008 re-release date. That gives rise to the sense that a new volume on the same book (by Woods) in 2013 is surprisingly hasty.
My own additional confusion is that I've got two Logos copies of most of the old versions. Perhaps the original UK version has now been supplemented by the US release? That may have been naturally gifted to me, or I may have picked up the other release when buying a few additional volumes at some point. Any clever insights welcome. (I'll have to trawl KS4J's list to see if there are hints... [;)])
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Andrew Malone said:
My own additional confusion is that I've got two Logos copies of most of the old versions.
The LLS number & date at the bottom of the resource Information page should give some insights.
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Thanks, Dave. Yes, now that I look, one version gives its file ID and filename as the series/volume and the other lists the same info with a US suffix. For example, TOTC20PR and TOTC20PRUS.
Now that I've had a moment to explore a couple of other differences, there are a few incongruities. Unsure whether the US set or (the one that I'll call) the UK edition is preferable:
- different production dates; the UK edition is older (2010 file) while the US release is more recently updated (2016)
- ironically, then, older UK release has better corrections (e.g. series editor's name at the end of the General Preface) and more internal linking to other Logos resources
- conversely, newer US release has added newer metadata (e.g. Popular Highlights; Timeline Events)
- US version gives a fuller Copyright page (although any info common to both is identical)
- the US version presents itself as part of a set, which then displays page breaks with longer (and, IMHO, less attractive) volume information
In short, the UK version seems much more usable, so it's surprising or disappointing to observe the shortcomings in the more updated US release.
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