Same books in multiple Book Series of Church Fathers? Don't want to purchase duplicate books
I have the Early Church Fathers series. There are other book series available for Logos such as the "Fathers of the Church Series", "Ancient Christian Writers Series", "Fathers of the Church: Medieval Continuation Series", and the Logos 7 Church Fathers Library Expansion Series". I'm interested in the other series but I don't want to buy duplicate books, i.e. books in a series that I may already have in the Early Church Fathers series. Is there a way to compare the various series to see which books/letters/commentaries are in more than one series?
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From the little bit of experience I have, there is a lot of overlap. The difference is they are arranged differently. I could be wrong maybe someone else can shed more light on them.
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Greg, perhaps you may find these threads helpful. In particular Faithlife's Louis St. Hilaire has some very helpful observations -
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Searching Logos.com for Fathers Church => https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=fathers+church&start=0&sort=rel&pageSize=60 includes:
- Early Church Fathers Protestant Edition (37 vols.) $0.00 (has more front matter than $ 0.00 Catholic Edition)
- Fathers of the Church Series (127 vols.) (FOC is included in three Base Packages)
- Logos 7 Church Fathers Library Expansion, XL
- The Fathers of the Church: Mediaeval Continuation (15 vols.) *
Two Ancient Christian resources are
- Ancient Christian Writers Bundle (66 vols.) *
- Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture Complete Set Updated Edition (ACCS)
* Currently not in my library
ACCS notes that Origen uses digression and allegory so ACCS quotes a number of Origen's allegories in Romans. FOC monograph volumes for Origen's commentary on Romans have Origen indexing, but not Bible indexing.
Filtering Library for Mediaeval Continuation authors found no overlap (so added to My Wish List)
- Damian => Mediæval Preachers and Mediæval Preaching (has 9 sermons by S. Peter Damiani)
- Seuse => Henry Suso: The Exemplar volume in Classics of Medieval Spirituality (41 vols.) that has frequent citation to Horologium sapientiae in Mediaeval Continuation
- Alfonsi not found
- Albert the Great and Aquinas have selected writings in Classics of Western Spirituality Bundle (does not have Albert the Great's comments about Aristotle's biological works NOR Academic Sermons by Aquinas)
- Lanfranc not found
- Abelard found Love letters, which is different than Mediaeval Continuation content
- Grosseteste found commentary of Galatians 3 in The Bible in Medieval Tradition: The Letter to the Galatians (no overlap)
- Peter the Venerable not found
- John Duns Scotus not found
Initial impression of Ancient Christian Writers Bundle (66 vols.) (ACWB) reminds me of Classics of Western Spirituality Bundle along with 14 volumes being in Fathers of the Church Series (127 vols.) and Logos 7 Church Fathers Library Expansion, XL Observations about a third of ACWB shows some volumes have no overlap while others do:
- The Didache, ... plus Epistles of St Clement, ... overlap with several Apostolic Father resources
- Athenagoras and Justin Martyr overlap with Early Church Fathers Protestant Edition (37 vols.) & Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition (37 vols.)
- Origen homilies on Ezekiel has selected quotes in Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture Complete Set Updated Edition
- Origen Prayer, ... and Song of Songs, ... overlap with Classics of Western Spirituality Bundle (different translators)
- Origen Passover has no overlap
- St. Irenaeus volumes are also in Fathers of the Church Series (127 vols.) and Logos 7 Church Fathers Library Expansion, XL
- Octavius Latin & English text is in Perseus plus Fathers of the Church Series (127 vols.) has a Tertullian Apologetical works volume that includes Octavius. Also overlaps a Systematic Theology volume in Early Church Fathers Protestant Edition (37 vols.) & Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition (37 vols.)
- Tertullian Treatise against Hermogenes and Marriage overlaps Early Church Fathers Protestant Edition (37 vols.) & Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition (37 vols.)
- Tertullian Treatise on Penance has selected excerpts in Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture Complete Set Updated Edition
- St Cyprian of Carthage letters overlap Fathers of the Church Series (127 vols.) plus Early Church Fathers Protestant Edition (37 vols.) & Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition (37 vols.)
- "John Cassian: Conferences" has different translators
User speculation about Logos 8 & Verbum 8 is a revamp of Base Package contents. Thankful for dynamic pricing so pay for new resources (needs enough new to be worthwhile so personally OK if other resources have duplicative content so would purchase ACWB as part of a Base Package).
Verbum 7 Portfolio has over 2,500 resources, including
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One consideration I don't see mentioned is that Schaff is sometimes abridged.
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I once compiled a spreadsheet which showed which writings were in each of the main series available in Logos, but didn't quite get around to finishing it.
But it's complete for the three main sets Fathers of the Church, Ancient Christian Writers, and Schaff (aka Early Church Fathers). It's probably fairly complete for the smaller sets, too, but I haven't double-checked that yet. With a work of this size, there are likely to be some errors, but by my calculations:
Out of a total of 488 writings
- There are 292 writings in The Fathers of the Church of which 166 writings are unique to that series
- There are 272 writings in Early Church Fathers (aka Schaff), of which 137 are unique to that series
- There are 89 writings in the Ancient Christian Writers of which 43 are unique to that series
That means that Schaff + FoTC will get you about 91% of the Patristic writings currently available in Logos. Schaff on its own is about 55%, FoTC on its own is 60%, ACW on its own is 18%.
The stats aren't entirely fair as they don't take into consideration the length of each writing. Some span multiple volumes, others might be a few dozen pages.
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Mark Barnes said:
The stats aren't entirely fair as they don't take into consideration the length of each writing. Some span multiple volumes, others might be a few dozen pages.
And, in addition to Schaff's included works frequently being abridged, his translations are also much older and more difficult to read and understand than the other two series.
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There are classic works that appear in multiple sets - yes. But personally I think of the sets that have Patristic works the following way:
Early Church Fathers - a 19th century Protestant set that is half-decent at Ante-Nicene with a decent selection of Augustine and Chrysostom afterwards, but is extremely thin otherwise, although it does tend to catch many of the highlights.
Ancient Christian Writers (Paulist) - a mid 20th to current academic Catholic set, often by very significant Patristic scholars. The annotations of these works are a historical gold mine to bring the reader into the discussion on these texts. While many key works are included, it seems to be built more on adding to scholarship than particularly being representative of patristic thought.
Fathers of the Church (Catholic University of America) - another mid 20th to current Catholic set. More popular and complete than the above. A good source for readable editions - especially for those of us who don't specialize in these writings.
This set has been expanded into medieval writings which are generally not viewed as "Patristic" writers. Since so little of this era was available in English before, this is particularly valuable.
St. Vladamir's Press has produced some very fine and readable editions of classic works in their "Popular Patristics" series.
Rutledge has some good introductory editions that I don't think are available in Logos - but I have read about a half dozen of them in paper.
And Paulist Press's Classics of Western Spirituality should also be commended for texts that fit within their perspective - and in general just about every pre-modern "theologian" had interesting things to say about spirituality as well.
The mid-20th century "Library of Christian Classics" has some fine volumes from a Protestant perspective. That said, because the set is relatively small - and continues well past the Patristic era, a lot is not included.
One of the better freely available guides to the mass of writings on church history was compiled by William Harmless, S.J. and is available at http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/toc/bibliographies.html . I know I have spent hours looking though it.
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