Select Morphology
I don't have the option to select a morphology as is seen in the Logos 7 Pro video "Morph Search" (and many other places). Am I missing something? Does anyone else have this problem?
I recently upgraded to Logos 7 Bronze, which is listed on the page for this video.
https://www.logos.com/logos-pro/morph-search
Thanks for any help.
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The Videos are not always up to date. In Logos 7 Morph Search, the morphology is determined by the resource, so it is not needed for root: and lemma: as per your example.
If you search on Parts of Speech, and there are multiple morphologies, you can select the one you want after you type
Dave
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Dave, thanks so much for the quick reply! So I guess this "feature" of choosing a different morphology than the one associated with a given resource is no longer available? sad
(I did follow your example for the ESV and it only showed Logos Morphology (Greek, Hebrew & Aramaic). There were no other options.
So, if I'm following you correctly, I would need to know which resource uses whatever morphology I wanted to search and simply select that resource? Is there an easy way to determine this? Most of them don't seem to tell you.
Thanks again!
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willy arnold said:
So I guess this "feature" of choosing a different morphology than the one associated with a given resource is no longer available?
Correct.
willy arnold said:I did follow your example for the ESV and it only showed Logos Morphology (Greek, Hebrew & Aramaic). There were no other options.
Those are the only morphologies for that resource
willy arnold said:So, if I'm following you correctly, I would need to know which resource uses whatever morphology I wanted to search and simply select that resource? Is there an easy way to determine this?
The title of Hebrew bibles usually has their morphology.
Titles with "Lexham..." have Logos Morphology i.e. Greek or Hebrew/Aramaic
Reverse Interlinear bibles like ESV, NASB, NRSV have Logos Morphology i.e. Greek and Hebrew/Aramaic
99% of Greek bibles have Logos Morphology (a few have no morphology).
Septuagint bibles have Logos Greek Morphology
When in doubt go to Morph Search and type
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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willy arnold said:
Dave, thanks so much for the quick reply! So I guess this "feature" of choosing a different morphology than the one associated with a given resource is no longer available? sad
(Just be clear, the application would never let you search a morphology in resources that didn't support that morphology. Now, the application is smart enough that there is no need to require you to select the morphology as a separate step in setting up the search, because in many cases there is only one morphology to select from, and in situations where there is more than one, you can select the one you want from the morph picker.
Was there something in particular that the old interface allowed you to do which can't be accomplished with the new?
willy arnold said:So, if I'm following you correctly, I would need to know which resource uses whatever morphology I wanted to search and simply select that resource? Is there an easy way to determine this? Most of them don't seem to tell you.
In your morph search, make sure "All Resources" is selected. Then type in the query box. This will open up the morphology builder in Dave's screenshot. From there, you can select which morphology you are interested in. You will only get back results from resources that support that morphology.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Andrew,
I am reminded that Libronix allows a search on books of a particular morphology (without having to specify any books). I think Logos 4+ allowed a similar search but one had to specify the resources e.g. a collection.
In Logos 7 a search for elohim lemma:אֱלֹהִים in a collection of my Hebrew bibles only yields results in resources with Logos Morphology. If I specify Westminster morphology via lemma:אֱלֹהִים@nI get the same results! Why? Note that the lemma was suggested via h:elohim.
If I then specify BHS/WIVU or BHW4.18 as the resource, I get the expected results.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
In Logos 7 a search for elohim lemma:אֱלֹהִים in a collection of my Hebrew bibles only yields results in resources with Logos Morphology. If I specify Westminster morphology via lemma:אֱלֹהִים@nI get the same results! Why? Note that the lemma was suggested via h:elohim.
The reason for this is that the search lemma:אֱלֹהִים@n is not actually searching the Westminster morphology. You can determine this by entering that text as a Morph search, then switching to a Bible search. It will transform your search to what is actually being searched.
The lemma auto-complete is going to pick lemmas from the lbs analysis. A lemma can only be constrained by its associated morphology.
If you don't try to modify a lemma, then the morphology picker will correctly construct a search term matching your desired morphology.
If you explicitly specify a lemma of the correct analysis (such as <Lemma = lls/he/אֱלֹהִים>) then modify it with @n it will replace that with the correct explicit morphology to match the lemma.
That said, it seems like a bug to me that when modifying a lemma, the morphology picker UI does not correctly restrict the available morphologies to match the lemma. I'll write up a bug report for this tomorrow.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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That said, it seems like a bug to me that when modifying a lemma, the morphology picker UI does not correctly restrict the available morphologies to match the lemma.
In this case the resource is restricting the morphology:-
Dave
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I would expect that. I was talking about the situation where you have all resources selected.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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I was thinking it would be more consistent to match the lemma's (explicit) morphology. It is likely that the wrong resource was selected in this case.
Dave
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