Changing LORD to Yahweh
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JimT said:
This is something thats possible in various programming languages or regular expression tools. The ability to provide an optional context that comes before and comes after the target match.
Sounds like a suggestion!
But I wonder if the context should also be highlighted, and with a different format so you don't have to refer to the Filter afterward!? For example
fox WITHIN 2 words brown || Green highlight | brown text ||
And, yes, if the Search engine introduces Regular Expressions then use that as well.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
And, yes, if the Search engine introduces Regular Expressions then use that as well.
Yes, that too. Full Regular Expressions with context etc would be great.
Please take what I wrote, and your comments, and write it up if you wish.
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Francis said:
Thanks again, Jacob, Todd and others for sharing.
This is saWEET and totally cool! I now have my own personal ESV "Sacred Name" edition! (dancing in a circle, dancing in a circle!) I just inserted יהוה (I cannot figure out how to make this bigger in the forums grhhh) for my label text.
Mu-ah (umm, holy kiss from my avatar)! Now I can work on a Visual filter for God/Elohim! Brilliant idea Jacob, and nice tweak Todd.
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JimT said:
Please take what I wrote, and your comments, and write it up if you wish.
Dave
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Jacob Hantla said:
I just thought that I'd share how I'm using visual filters to reveal where יהוה (YHWH) is in the OT. I actually replace the text with Yahweh.
Is it possible to insert יהוה instead of Yahweh? I tried this, but Logos 4 crashed.
Charlene
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I got it to work. Could you post logs from the crash?
http://wiki.logos.com/Diagnostic_Logging
http://wiki.logos.com/Uploading_LogsProv. 15:23
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Is there any way to use the Strong's numbers in the search criteria (left) side of the Visual Filter? If so, can someone please provide an example of how to do this.
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GeoPappas said:
Is there any way to use the Strong's numbers in the search criteria (left) side of the Visual Filter? If so, can someone please provide an example of how to do this.
Use this syntax <GreekStrongs = #1345> or <HebrewStrongs = #3124>
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Kevin Becker said:GeoPappas said:
Is there any way to use the Strong's numbers in the search criteria (left) side of the Visual Filter? If so, can someone please provide an example of how to do this.
Use this syntax <GreekStrongs = #1345> or <HebrewStrongs = #3124>
Thank you so much. Have a blessed day.
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OK, I seem to be having a problem and I'm not sure if it is a bug or not.
I am trying to replace the Hebrew in the search criteria with HebrewStrongs numbers, but I seem to be running into a few issues.
When I use the HebrewStrongs in the search criteria (left) side of the Visual Filter I am getting weird results. (NOTE: The search criteria that I am using is <HebrewStrongs=#3068>)
For example, in the NASB, in Gen 15:2, it is inserting YHWHGod in the superscript, when it should be just God.
Also, in the ESV, KJV, and NRSV, it isn't working as expected, but that seems to be because the Strong's #s are missing from the ESV for YHWH (H3068). For example, in Gen 15:1, the word Lord is missing the Strong's number. There are many other verses
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I wanted to do something similar in the N.T. I noticed in the LXX that they translated the first part of God's name as εγω ειμι in Ex. 3:14. So I thought I would make a visual filter for the "I AM" sayings in the gospel of John. So first I ran a morph search for "εγω ειμι" and restricted it to John, which gave me a list of Jesus' "I AM" sayings. But in John 9:9 the blind man uses this expression. So I further restricted my search to exclude chapter 9. This yielded the 23 hits I was looking for. Since I was searching a phrase, I then copied the search to a passage list. Then I restricted my visual filter to this passage list and only chose ειμι so that it wouldn't insert my highlight twice. Now I have a small superscript by the "I AM" sayings that I can quickly turn off or on.
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GeoPappas said:
When I use the HebrewStrongs in the search criteria (left) side of the Visual Filter I am getting weird results.
The NASB95 has a problem with Strong's searches that was notified last year! It returns twice as many results as it should and I woudn't be surprised they affect your filter. Does it occur with other reverse interlinear resources?
Dave
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GeoPappas said:
Also, in the ESV, KJV, and NRSV, it isn't working as expected, but that seems to be because the Strong's #s are missing from the ESV for YHWH (H3068). For example, in Gen 15:1, the word Lord is missing the Strong's number. There are many other verses
Well done! There are at least 68 instances where the ESV is missing the Strong's number for LORD. This is easily seen when running a search for <H3068> in both ESV and NASB95 and merging the Passage Lists created from those searches!
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:GeoPappas said:
Also, in the ESV, KJV, and NRSV, it isn't working as expected, but that seems to be because the Strong's #s are missing from the ESV for YHWH (H3068). For example, in Gen 15:1, the word Lord is missing the Strong's number. There are many other verses
Well done! There are at least 68 instances where the ESV is missing the Strong's number for LORD. This is easily seen when running a search for <H3068> in both ESV and NASB95 and merging the Passage Lists created from those searches!
So does that mean that this is a bug?
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GeoPappas said:
So does that mean that this is a bug?
It's a resource problem and I've sent an email to revint@logos.com as per http://www.logos.com/support/reportaproblem
Dave
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Kevin Becker said:
I got it to work. Could you post logs from the crash?
Hi Kevin,
Glad to know that it works...will have to work on this later, however, as I fly international tomorrow and I have some things I need to do. Thanks for the help!
Charlene
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I seem to be having a problem finding the custom highlight I just created called Elohim (see pic). It is not showing up in the list. Can anyone help?
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Have you clicked the inverted triangle next to "Blue Foreground" and scrolled to the bottom of the list? It should be there. If not I would try restarting Logos.
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EricLKeefer said:
I seem to be having a problem finding the custom highlight I just created called Elohim (see pic). It is not showing up in the list. Can anyone help?
Highlights created while a filter window is open do not show up in the filter window's list of styles (they don't seem to be dynamically updated). You'll need to close and reopen the filter window before it shows up.
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That did it. Thanks so much!
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Jacob Hantla said:
Thanks.
This technique obviously could be used to do this for any word. Differentiation among the greek words for love could be a good use too.
How would you set this up?
Emery,
The natural plus the supernatural together make an explosive force for God.
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Energized1 said:
How would you set this up?
did a step by step in this post How is this done? Custom Style? which shows setting up the highlighting style.
After creating a highlighting style, you will need to setup a Visual Filter to use this highlighting style (see the 2nd image on Jacob's original post)Edit: if you need help with setting up the Visual Filter part, let me know.
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Warning to mac users... If you make the illadvised decision to edit your styles (on the MAC side of things) it will mess up your formating. I had to delete my custom styles and the visual filters on the PC side to get everything back to normal. Also, I tried to combine a Elohim (God match case = True to Elohim) style in the Yahweh visual filter...this doesn't work if "The Lord" is at the beginning of the sentence. Solution create a separate visual filter for Elohim.
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Jerry Mclean said:
Francis, after reading this post, this is a visual filter I implemented. The "Pl" is not very intrusive and is enough to remind me that the second person pronouns and verbs are plural
Thanks, Jerry for the tip. I used a variation, using PL both for pronouns and verbs. I reduced the size of the superscript label to 60% and gave it a green colour so as to obtain both visibility and unobstructiveness.
Blessings.
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Francis said:
. I reduced the size of the superscript label to 60% and gave it a green colour
Yes, this works well. I was pondering a system that would give grammatical clues without being overly intrusive. For example we have superscripts for number. We could use a solid color for mood and a colored underline for tense. I was already using the green solid color for imperatives because I wanted the commands of Jesus to stand out and I thought the future tense might be an indication of promises so I had a VF underline for them. I remember one poster had grammatical shorthand under the line. That seemed to work, but increased the line spacing. If anyone has any input on further refinements of this, please respond. Thanks to those who took the time to post ideas on the wiki.
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One of those "How come?" questions . . . I have a morphological search for יהוה Visual Filter with a style to superscript this before the word.
([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/יהוה>)
It's working great, except, I'm getting an extra "e" in Amos 5.8 . . . Thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?
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Jerry
Where are the other letters (a-d) coming from? Are they existing superscripts in the translation you are using or the result of another highlighting selection?
If the latter, is "e" being derived from this other highlight?
Graham
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Jerry Smith said:
One of those "How come?" questions . . . I have a morphological search for יהוה Visual Filter with a style to superscript this before the word.
([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/יהוה>)
It's working great, except, I'm getting an extra "e" in Amos 5.8 . . . Thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?
And, another "How come"? in Amos 6.8 . . .
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Jerry Smith said:
It's working great, except, I'm getting an extra "e" in Amos 5.8 . . . Thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?
That's a footnote marker that was already there (note the a,b,c, and d in the lines before it).
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Todd . . . much thanks! I've looked and looked, and, obviously, missed the obvious! Too much "looking" I think! Same thing in Am6.8 too . . .
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Jerry Smith said:
It's working great, except, I'm getting an extra "e" in Amos 5.8 . . . Thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?
I can only assume it is caused by the superscripted eLord in the NAS
Dave
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Thanks Dave . . . as I mentioned earlier, I think I've just been doing too much "looking" and not enough paying attention! Back on track now, and absolutely love the Visual Filters when I'm trying to focus on some particular!
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I thought I would revive this thread (it's one of my favorites..) with a problem I found today. I was thrilled to figure out here how to replace LORD with Yahweh. Today I was in 2 Sam 7:18-29 (ESV) and found that this visual filter doesn't quite work here. (It words with Yahweh by itself, but not when Yahweh is with another title.) I have been working with visual filters lately to try to figure them out. My first question is: why in verse 18, e.g., does the visual filter not white out the superscript "God" here like it does when it encounters Yahweh in the Hebrew?
Secondly, do you know how the visual filters will behave when, for example in this passage, one visual filter will try to replace "the LORD" with Yahweh, while another one will try to replace Lord GOD with with Adonai Yahweh? (Both dealing with יהוה ) I haven't gotten quite that far into it and was just wondering...
Has anyone tried replacing other names of God in other instances such as this, besides just the occurances of "the LORD" for Yahweh?
"It seems our problems solve themselves when we look beyond us to those truly in hell." - Beyond Our Suffering - AILD
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Tom Geswein said:
I thought I would revive this thread (it's one of my favorites..) with a problem I found today. I was thrilled to figure out here how to replace LORD with Yahweh. Today I was in 2 Sam 7:18-29 (ESV) and found that this visual filter doesn't quite work here. (It words with Yahweh by itself, but not when Yahweh is with another title.) I have been working with visual filters lately to try to figure them out. My first question is: why in verse 18, e.g., does the visual filter not white out the superscript "God" here like it does when it encounters Yahweh in the Hebrew?
Secondly, do you know how the visual filters will behave when, for example in this passage, one visual filter will try to replace "the LORD" with Yahweh, while another one will try to replace Lord GOD with with Adonai Yahweh? (Both dealing with יהוה ) I haven't gotten quite that far into it and was just wondering...
Has anyone tried replacing other names of God in other instances such as this, besides just the occurances of "the LORD" for Yahweh?
I've updated my filter to deal with the O Lord GOD situation (Where GOD is the Yahweh equivalent instead of LORD), plus the case for "O LORD" which is in verse 25 of that same passage, and I've added an Adonai filter too, which required me to use the lemma.
The value for each entry is:
- the BEFORE 1 words יהוה
- "o lord" BEFORE 1 words יהוה
- "o" BEFORE 1 words יהוה
- יהוה
- ([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/אדן:1>)
The first three get the white highlight.
If you don't want the Adonai filter, then a line still needs to be added to the original filter to handle the "O"s. It should be set to the white highlight:
- "o" BEFORE 1-2 words יהוה
- the BEFORE 1 words יהוה
- יהוה
BTW, I also noticed an odd discrepancy (which doesn't affect the filter): verse 22 has "O LORD God" (with LORD in caps) whereas all the other verses in the passage have "O Lord GOD" (with GOD in caps), but the underlying Hebrew is the same.
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Here is a screen shot of how I did it. Click on it to enlarge.
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Thanks for the solution. For some reason, I tried typing out the line "([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/אדן:1>)" , but couldn't get it to work. I finally copied and pasted it and it worked. Is there anywhere that anyone knows of (wiki, etc.) that has a little more information on different commands to use in cases like this? e.g. BEFORE, AND etc. I was wondering how you came up with the line above or if it was generated somewhere in L4 for you. ???
I found the listing in the wiki for the command line commands, but not any of the switches like what was used here or in rules for collections and such.
Thanks again.
"It seems our problems solve themselves when we look beyond us to those truly in hell." - Beyond Our Suffering - AILD
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Tom Geswein said:
Is there anywhere that anyone knows of (wiki, etc.) that has a little more information on different commands to use in cases like this? e.g. BEFORE, AND etc.
http://wiki.logos.com/Search_HELP
Tom Geswein said:I was wondering how you came up with the line above or if it was generated somewhere in L4 for you. ???
If you enter lemma:אדן:1 into a Morph search, and then change the search type to Bible, it changes the syntax to this: ([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/אדן:1>)
It can actually be shortened to <Lemma = af/he/אדן:1>.
Another way to get it is to click on the word in a Bible, and select the Lemma tab in the menu, and click on Search this resource.
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Todd Phillips said:Tom Geswein said:
Is there anywhere that anyone knows of (wiki, etc.) that has a little more information on different commands to use in cases like this? e.g. BEFORE, AND etc.
If if you want a LOT more information: http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help#Searching_for_Bible_Verses_and_other_References (although this little bit on lemmas is hidden between two screenshots).
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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I added the word "Lord" to the Highlight so it reads "Lord
(Yahweh) YHWH". The visual
filter looks for יהוה and
produces "the Lord (Yahweh) Lord" with "the" being from the text
and the rest from the filter/highlight. Am I missing something or is this a
good solution? I made the superscript very small so it is not readable leaving the text to essentially read "the Lord (Yahweh).0 -
I have just noticed that in the 2 Samuel 7:18 passage where adona is part of the compound name, that the result is Lord Lord (Yahweh) God.
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2011/01/29
Hi,
This is a fabulous thread and I am working on using Visual Filters to make an adjustment in the English NT text for a preference of mine. I prefer to display "Yeshua" where "Jesus" appears in the text and I prefer "Messiah" where "Christ" appears in the text.
I was working on making the substitutions individually, but then there was a conflict if the expression was "Jesus Christ" - I think because of the order of the substitutions? Anyway, then I started working on displaying "Yeshua the Messiah" when "Jesus Christ" appears in the text - BUT - now I have too many levels of Visual Filters!
So first, is there a way to "hide" your Visual Filters without deleting them, as you work on other iterations of the Visual Filters - so that all of them are not applied at once, but you don't lose the ones you've worked out previously?
I haven't even gotten into the "sticky" searches yet, such as: displaying "Messiah Yeshua" for "Christ Jesus."
So if Christ comes AFTER Jesus, I would like it to display "Yeshua the Messiah" - BUT if Christ comes BEFORE Jesus, I would like it to display "Messiah Yeshua" (so there is no English "the" depending on the word order.)
Also, I've tried this with a Morphological search using the lemma and I've also used a Bible text search using the English words. I'm unclear as to which is better. I imagine in the long run it would be better to make it a Morphological search so that the results are not skewed by parts of speech.
Any information or help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, David
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David said:
So first, is there a way to "hide" your Visual Filters without deleting them, as you work on other iterations of the Visual Filters - so that all of them are not applied at once, but you don't lose the ones you've worked out previously?
Yes, uncheck them here:
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2011/01/29
Hi Todd
What fabulous information you have in this post! Especially the first image!
Todd Phillips said:I've updated my filter to deal with the O Lord GOD situation (Where GOD is the Yahweh equivalent instead of LORD), plus the case for "O LORD" which is in verse 25 of that same passage, and I've added an Adonai filter too, which required me to use the lemma.
The value for each entry is:
- the BEFORE 1 words יהוה
- "o lord" BEFORE 1 words יהוה
- "o" BEFORE 1 words יהוה
- יהוה
- ([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/אדן:1>)
The first three get the white highlight.
If you don't want the Adonai filter, then a line still needs to be added to the original filter to handle the "O"s. It should be set to the white highlight:
- "o" BEFORE 1-2 words יהוה
- the BEFORE 1 words יהוה
- יהוה
BTW, I also noticed an odd discrepancy (which doesn't affect the filter): verse 22 has "O LORD God" (with LORD in caps) whereas all the other verses in the passage have "O Lord GOD" (with GOD in caps), but the underlying Hebrew is the same.
I didn't realize that you could "stack" the search conditions and that each search condition did NOT have to have it's own individual formatting! That's great! So stacking the search conditions without formatting in between appears to be a logical "OR" is that correct? And am I correct in understanding that the topmost search condition is the broadest and that each successive search condition refines the search a little more? Now, if all that is true - then would it be possible to have different formatting at each level - which would be a sort of "branching" or does it continue down the list and stop at the first condition that has formatting? I hope that makes sense. I'm trying to figure out how the searches work.
Thanks, David
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Hi Kevin,
Thank you so much for your incredibly fast reply to my post! [Y]
Kevin Becker said:David said:So first, is there a way to "hide" your Visual Filters without deleting them, as you work on other iterations of the Visual Filters - so that all of them are not applied at once, but you don't lose the ones you've worked out previously?
Yes, uncheck them here:
And also for the great information! At first I didn't know what "drop
down" arrow you must have clicked on to get that menu - then I noticed the three intertwined colored circles! I'm guessing that those
circles are only colorized when there are Visual Filters enabled?
Because I never really noticed them before.Thanks again, David
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David said:
And also for the great information! At first I didn't know what "drop
down" arrow you must have clicked on to get that menu - then I noticed the three intertwined colored circles! I'm guessing that those
circles are only colorized when there are Visual Filters enabled?
Because I never really noticed them before.You're welcome. Yes, the colors only appear as you enable visual filters. This is a very handy menu to know about. You can toggle visual filters, the notification boxes for note files, and even highlighting palettes. This is handy for honing your focus or speeding Logos up if it gets bogged down accounting for all the extra visual info.
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David N. said:
I didn't realize that you could "stack" the search conditions and that each search condition did NOT have to have it's own individual formatting! That's great! So stacking the search conditions without formatting in between appears to be a logical "OR" is that correct?
Actually that's not the case. The ones with the "blank" style fields are actually set to a white-colored style that you can't see because the style name is white. It's defined to be a white, superscript, and 20% sized style. This is to make the matching words practically invisible. The style names take on their defined style, and this makes the style names invisible for white styles.
If you don't set a style for a search pattern, then I don't think any style will be applied.
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Alright, what am I doing wrong? Everything works except for superscripting the original word (LORD, etc). If you look carefully at one the "Yahweh" occurrences in my screenshot, there is a tiny gray line at the lower right of "Yahweh" that I'm assuming is probably the original word, but I can't figure out what is wrong with my highlighting style or visual filter that could be causing the problem.
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Ron I spent hours trying to fix mine but kept resulting with a superscript Yahweh on a Yahweh. I could never fix it either.
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