Introducing the New Logos Notes
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Keith Cowart said:
I understand I can open it in a floating window, but that requires an extra step that didn't exist before. But quite frankly, that's the least of my worries. It's no longer possible to create notes in a specific notebook. It's not easy to get to what used to constitute one of my old notebooks and if it contains unanchored notes (My Topical Bible) the only way to organize them is either by date created or date modified. My entries are in alphabetical order by topic. My hope is that Logos will find a way to maintain the functionality of the old system while incorporating the best of the improvements.
Organizing by reference will be here in just a couple of weeks. It works great in the beta version right now.
You can add notes to a notebook if the notebook you are wanting to put it in is already open.
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Keith, if the extra step is of concern, you can resize it in your layout. From the drop-down menu in the add note function, you can place it in a specific notebook. That changes when/where you choose the notebook so I'm being a bit dense on where the problem lies. My notebooks all came across the conversion intact so the only difference I see is in where I make the selection. The loss of the title is the only problem I see where what you did in the past isn't readily possible in the new system.
I see your workflow for creating a note something like:- Optionally select anchor text
- Add note to open an "empty" note - from Context Menu is anchored; from note panel if not anchored.
- Select notebook from filter column
- Add note content
Does this match what you are doing or am I totally misunderstanding?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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That's helpful, but I also noticed that Logos currently has no plans to restore note titles. Some of my notebooks are organized alphabetically by title. If the titles are gone that will leave those notebooks in chaos. Any idea why they are set on removing titles?
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That last reply was in reference to David Taylor's reply. I'm going to check out MJ Smith's reply to see if that helps overall, but as you point out, it doesn't help with the loss of titles.
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Keith Cowart said:
Any idea why they are set on removing titles?
Some conjectures but no real information.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Please JOIN US as we raise awareness to LOGOS and the developers that there are many UNHAPPY people since the NEW NOTE SYSTEM.
It is an outrage in my personal opinion that many of the Features are no longer available.
Join our You-Tube Channel and help us call for ACTION as we post our opinions about the Logos Bible Software.
Here is a link to the channel.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvKtswSPgm669Odrg8myn6A
Hang in there.
Maybe they will FIX - RESTORE the Logos 7 Note Features.
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Wayne levi Price said:
Please JOIN US as we raise awareness to LOGOS and the developers that there are many UNHAPPY people since the NEW NOTE SYSTEM.
It is an outrage in my personal opinion that many of the Features are no longer available.
Join our You-Tube Channel and help us call for ACTION as we post our opinions about the Logos Bible Software.
Here is a link to the channel.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvKtswSPgm669Odrg8myn6A
Hang in there.
Maybe they will FIX - RESTORE the Logos 7 Note Features.
They are bringing most of the features back (several are already on the current beta) and while you wait you can always use the old system. They are taking action.
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We must continue to Make our complaints heard until they Fix these issues.
With LOVE, of course, we must demand that they bring back the features that we paid for already, Logos 7 Notes were more practical.
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Wayne levi Price said:
We must continue to Make our complaints heard until they Fix these issues.
With LOVE, of course, we must demand that they bring back the features that we paid for already, Logos 7 Notes were more practical.
But they are fixing them so why keep complaining when they are already working on it? If they weren't doing anything and showing no progress I could understand....
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Besides the loss of Note Titles, we lost many functions. I want to hover my mouse over the Note in the bible and see what notebook it is, I want to click the note and have it open the entire notebook. I want HYPERLINK Citation back.
All these things and more have been an upgrade nightmare, to say the least.
It is extremely cumbersome to search for the notebook by typing in the name when all we had to do is Click it.
I upgraded 3 times but will NOT upgrade again until they fix these issues.
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Wayne levi Price said:
Besides the loss of Note Titles
I'll grant you this one.
Wayne levi Price said:I want to hover my mouse over the Note in the bible and see what notebook it is,
They said, I believe, this is being worked on.
Wayne levi Price said:I want to click the note and have it open the entire notebook.
What do you mean open the entire notebook??
Wayne levi Price said:I want HYPERLINK Citation back.
You will have this on March 4th. It is already working in the beta.
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Nothing has changed with what we are complaining about in 3 months now.
Not one feature that I am aware of, that was with Logos 7 Notes that was lost, has been restored.
If it has let me know.
3 Months and NOTHING.
how about at least ONE of the old Logos 7 features.
Besides, if you do not continue to PRESS from time to time, they will not realize how much WE NEED the features we were using and already paid for.
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Wayne levi Price said:
Nothing has changed with what we are complaining about in 3 months now.
This is not factually true. See my previous post.
Wayne levi Price said:Not one feature that I am aware of, that was with Logos 7 Notes that was lost, has been restored.
Currerntly in the beta on my machine I can sort by reference, have citation links, have labels and label searching. I can also set the default font.
See aboveWayne levi Price said:3 Months and NOTHING.
Wayne levi Price said:Besides, if you do not continue to PRESS from time to time, they will not realize how much WE NEED the features we were using and already paid for
But they do realize them and ARE actively working on them and we have them in our hands for those of us who install beta versions. And, to be fair, you didn't pay for the notes features in L7. Those are part of the free engine.
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My dear brother, do you not remember how we used to click a note in the bible passage and the entire NOTEBOOK would open. Now it only open 'one little note' in the entire notebook.
We are forced to manually go and type in the notebook name and physically search for it now. This is extremely time-consuming.
I am glad to hear that hyperlink are about to be restored. If that is true I will be very happy indeed.
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Wayne levi Price said:
My dear brother, do you not remember how we used to click a note in the bible passage and the entire NOTEBOOK would open. Now it only open 'one little note' in the entire notebook.
I see. You are talking about note files. Notebooks did not exist before L8. So what you are wanting is the option to make the notebook active when a note is clicked?
Wayne levi Price said:I am glad to hear that hyperlink are about to be restored. If that is true I will be very happy indeed.
It's not just true, I used it not less than 5 min ago [:D]
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Wayne levi Price said:
We are forced to manually go and type in the notebook name and physically search for it now. This is extremely time-consuming.
Er .. ah... I'm only forced to go to the left panel and click on the correct name ... maybe we Verbum users did get something in the upgrade. [;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Wayne levi Price said:
We are forced to manually go and type in the notebook name and physically search for it now. This is extremely time-consuming.
Er .. ah... I'm only forced to go to the left panel and click on the correct name ... maybe we Verbum users did get something in the upgrade.
lol that's all I have to do in Logos as well.
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Keith Cowart said:
Any idea why they are set on removing titles?
It was an attempt to simplify the user interface. Most people didn't use note titles. But we're discussing bringing them back.
Even if we don't, we do plan to support sorting notes alphabetically. We'll just sort by the first letter of the first word in the note content.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
It was an attempt to simplify the user interface. Most people didn't use note titles. But we're discussing bringing them back.
I never used note titles before, but I'd really like them now.
Especially, when I'm completing a workflow, I'd like the workflow question placed into the note (ideally as a title). Thanks to workflows, I have at least half-a-dozen notes on many verses, and without the context of the workflow, it's hard sometimes to know what the note refers to.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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What did you try five minutes ago? - [8-|]
The function of opening up the entire NOTEBOOK by clicking the individual note inside a Bible resource did exist before Logos 8, Now you can only open up a single note in the notebook and we are forced to manually search the notebook out.
What did you use 5 minutes ago? Hyperlinks or opening the whole notebook while clicking a note file in your Bible resource.
I just tried both and neither are working. [*-)] [:)]
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Thanks for all your hard work. I hope I am not being Mean or rude [:D] - I love you guys. I just miss the Note features I had for 10 years.
Now, about your comment:
If we have multiple monitors, how will organizing them alphabetically help? I may not want them to appear in an order like that, but by TOPIC on the monitor in front of me and not have my note on a different monitor because of an alphabetical mandate. This could be a huge problem if not done right. - I imagine sometimes trying to solve ONE PROBLEM will lead to MANY MORE unseen issues.
Unless each monitor and floating window can have its own alphabetical order this will not work.
We still have the issue of IDENTIFYING the NOTE in the Note TAB.
It just seems like an easier solution to IDENTIFY the NOTE by some kind of ICON at least, on top of the NOTE TAB - note sure why that is so hard to give us. Yes, MANY PEOPLE actually do need to identify, 'by the note tab', WHICH NOTE they are looking for. I am surprised that the developers, who once 'SAW A NEED' to give us this feature, now do not recognize the efficiency of such a feature?
Perhaps, if we can color the Note tabs or put a number on them or an icon, ANYTHING will help identify the notes better than NOTHING at all.
It is EXTREMELY annoying to keep guessing where my notes are and having to click on each note tab every time I open up an older Workspace. Or even the one I am currently working on for that matter.
We love you guys and are patient as possible. Keep up the good work. We know you are working hard and appreciate you, regardless of all the complaining.
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They gave them to use before and I hope they Return them to use again.
They are extremely useful.
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Wayne levi Price said:
They gave them to use before and I hope they Return them to use again.
They are extremely useful.
Wayne, I'm not sure whether you know this, but if, when replying, you click on Quote it adds the message you're replying to into your message, as demonstrated above. That makes it much easier for others to follow replies. If you're only replying to part of a post, you can select that part before you click Quote.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Mark Barnes said:Wayne levi Price said:
They gave them to use before and I hope they Return them to use again.
They are extremely useful.
Wayne, I'm not sure whether you know this, but if, when replying, you click on Quote it adds the message you're replying to into your message, as demonstrated above. That makes it much easier for others to follow replies. If you're only replying to part of a post, you can select that part before you click Quote.
Did I do it right? lol
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Mark Barnes said:
I'd like the workflow question placed into the note (ideally as a title).
Mark, we are working on a different approach to this problem for 8.4. I started a new thread to respond:
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Wayne levi Price said:
The function of opening up the entire NOTEBOOK by clicking the individual note inside a Bible resource did exist before Logos 8, Now you can only open up a single note in the notebook and we are forced to manually search the notebook out.
Hi Wayne,
It sounds like you are describing the issue I discussed here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/178556.aspx
The response to my query was that Faithlife is aware of that issue and is working on restoring it.
Blessings,
Michael
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Michael said:Wayne levi Price said:
The function of opening up the entire NOTEBOOK by clicking the individual note inside a Bible resource did exist before Logos 8, Now you can only open up a single note in the notebook and we are forced to manually search the notebook out.
Hi Wayne,
It sounds like you are describing the issue I discussed here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/178556.aspx
The response to my query was that Faithlife is aware of that issue and is working on restoring it.
Blessings,
Michael
Yes it seems they will be fixing these things.
I appreciate your response.
Peace
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