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Yeah. That's true. And there's a lot here that I like in this update (workflows, really like the new ui and even the ways the notes are organized). But a few of these issues aren't new features that are buggy. They are existing features that disappeared or don't work anymore. It's just weird, that's all. No other software has features go away after an update and then come back. Imagine photoshop removing the crop tool for a few months. It just wouldn't happen. They'd get it working before the public release.
I have a workflow for sermon prep that now has to change because a few of these features in the notes stuff don't work anymore. I can no longer sort notes by reference. I can't have a. default note color and style. I can't export my notes. All three of those were features I used constantly.
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jonB said:
Yeah. That's true. And there's a lot here that I like in this update (workflows, really like the new ui and even the ways the notes are organized). But a few of these issues aren't new features that are buggy. They are existing features that disappeared or don't work anymore. It's just weird, that's all. No other software has features go away after an update and then come back. Imagine photoshop removing the crop tool for a few months. It just wouldn't happen. They'd get it working before the public release.
I have a workflow for sermon prep that now has to change because a few of these features in the notes stuff don't work anymore. I can no longer sort notes by reference. I can't have a. default note color and style. I can't export my notes. All three of those were features I used constantly.
That's understandable. And yes, some of this probably could have been communicated better on the front end.
I do have a question, what do you mean you can't export your notes?
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jonB said:
Yeah. That's true. And there's a lot here that I like in this update (workflows, really like the new ui and even the ways the notes are organized). But a few of these issues aren't new features that are buggy. They are existing features that disappeared or don't work anymore. It's just weird, that's all. No other software has features go away after an update and then come back. Imagine photoshop removing the crop tool for a few months. It just wouldn't happen. They'd get it working before the public release.
I have a workflow for sermon prep that now has to change because a few of these features in the notes stuff don't work anymore. I can no longer sort notes by reference. I can't have a. default note color and style. I can't export my notes. All three of those were features I used constantly.
That's understandable. And yes, some of this probably could have been communicated better on the front end.
I do have a question, what do you mean you can't export your notes?
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Oh - I was wrong about that one. That's good. I saw, "Export to / save as word list / passage list" on the list of coming features and read it as the export to pdf. But I just looked and the export to pdf still works.
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jonB said:
They are existing features that disappeared or don't work anymore. No other software has features go away after an update and then come back.
- I can no longer sort notes by reference.
- I can't have a. default note color and style.
- I can't export my notes.
All three of those were features I used constantly.
What JonB said.
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I don't have Logos 8 yet because like others in this thread Notes is extremely important to me and in following this and other Notes threads, I'm still confused about some of the basic workings of it. I've tried to read up everything I can, but there are still a few concepts I'm a bit fuzzy on. If anyone could help clarify this for me, I'd be very grateful.
My main question is what is the purpose of notebooks now. In L7 I had created notebooks (note files) to keep everything neatly organized. (e.g. a note file on all my thoughts on 1 Chronicles, a note file on all my thoughts on sermon prep, a note file on all my highlights from a specific commentary, etc.) However, now, it seems like everything gets placed into one big mega-notebook (called "no notebook") and you find what you need via searching and filters. Am I understanding this the right way?
If so, what implications does this have for visual filters? If I make a highlight (or note) in a resource, which “default notebook” does that fall under so that I can select/deselect it from appearing in a resource via the visual filters?
If I should keep my practice of specific notebooks in order to be able to turn them on/off in the visual filter menu, then how do I select a that specific notebook during the note making process from the right click menu. The videos I saw only show “Add a note” and I assume it becomes a "no notebook" note. Am I required to then take the additional steps after each highlight/note of opening up the note took, finding the note, selecting a notebook, etc.?
I realize some of this may be intuitive if I already had L8, but I'm just a bit hesitant of taking the plunge until I really understand it.
Thanks in advance.
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Ryan said:
My main question is what is the purpose of notebooks now
There is an article on using notebooks at https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018492791
Ryan said:However, now, it seems like everything gets placed into one big mega-notebook (called "no notebook") and you find what you need via searching and filters. Am I understanding this the right way?
That is certainly one way of working - but it is also possible to create notebooks and assign notes to them, just as we put notes in Notes Documents in Logos 7.
Ryan said:If so, what implications does this have for visual filters? If I make a highlight (or note) in a resource, which “default notebook” does that fall under so that I can select/deselect it from appearing in a resource via the visual filters?
As mentioned in the article I linked to above one of the reasons for using Notebooks is to enable this support. As you can see from the screenshot below it works in the same way - with the addition of "No notebook" being an option
Ryan said:If I should keep my practice of specific notebooks in order to be able to turn them on/off in the visual filter menu, then how do I select a that specific notebook during the note making process from the right click menu. The videos I saw only show “Add a note” and I assume it becomes a "no notebook" note. Am I required to then take the additional steps after each highlight/note of opening up the note took, finding the note, selecting a notebook, etc.?
If you have the notebook selected in the Notes Tool, then creating a note from the right-click menu will put the note in that notebook.
For highlighting you need to ensure that the palette-specific settings are set appropriately
Ryan said:I realize some of this may be intuitive if I already had L8, but I'm just a bit hesitant of taking the plunge until I really understand it.
Totally understand - please post back with any further questions / concerns.
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Hi Graham,
Thank you for your reply. The fog is slowly starting to clear <smile>. If I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like I would still want to keep using notebooks (as opposed to the "no notebook mega file") so I can turn them on/off individually in visual filters (as opposed to all or nothing). It also sounds like, just like in L7, the right click context menu only has an "add a note" option, and if I want to assign the note to a specific notebook, just like in L7, I have to first open that notebook up so that it is an option to select.
Am I understanding everything correctly thus far?
If so, my next question is in your photo above with the highlighter palette, I only see the options "no notebook" or "most recent notebook." However, in L7 I have it set to "Resource specific note file." This ensures that all my highlights go into that notebook. But I don't see a "Resource specific notebook" on your screenshot. Has it been removed? If so, does this mean we must select "most recent notebook" and then before every highlight, we have to first open the notebook we want before highlighting? That seems like a lot of work if you are highlighting multiple resources at the same time.
Am I understanding this correctly too?
I appreciate your help.
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Ryan said:
It also sounds like, just like in L7, the right click context menu only has an "add a note" option, and if I want to assign the note to a specific notebook, just like in L7, I have to first open that notebook up so that it is an option to select.
It's not that the notebook becomes an option to select - you still just get the Add Note option - but the note gets put into the currently selected notebook.
So with my "beta test" notebook selected in the Notes tool
clicking the "add note" option causes the resulting note to be placed in that notebook
Ryan said:Am I understanding everything correctly thus far?
With the above slight modification I believe so!
Ryan said:If so, my next question is in your photo above with the highlighter palette, I only see the options "no notebook" or "most recent notebook." However, in L7 I have it set to "Resource specific note file." This ensures that all my highlights go into that notebook. But I don't see a "Resource specific notebook" on your screenshot. Has it been removed? If so, does this mean we must select "most recent notebook" and then before every highlight, we have to first open the notebook we want before highlighting? That seems like a lot of work if you are highlighting multiple resources at the same time.
You are right - and I think the general recommendation is to not put highlights into notebooks but to use the Notes filtering capability to identify them.
So if I add a highlight to a couple of commentaries on John 1:14 - here I've just applied a blue highlight to the first sentence of each
Now using the filters for the book of John and just restricting the display to highlights I can see both of them are there and the resources they are associated with
Selecting one of those allows just looking at those specific highlights
This works well for finding notes / highlights in the Notes Tool but what it doesn't provide is a good mechanism for turning on / off those highlights when looking at them in resources.
You can do this in the "resource browser"
But I think it does leave a question about how we can most effectively display highlights in a specific resource and toggle them as required.
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Yikes!
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Was there ever any discussion on possibly putting the notes facets in to the visual filter menu or another menu? Some of those facets would be automatic, resource would apply to the current resource, resource type, etc. Bible book wouldn't matter, but tags, author, date, etc. To selectively show/hide notes without needing a notebook?
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Thank you Graham,
That is very helpful and I appreciate you taking the time to make/post all those screenshots for me. While I think the visual filters on/off is an important element, it has me wondering if, in addition to the visual filters issue, if there is a reason I would want or need highlights in a specific notebook as opposed to the "mega no-notebook" default. I'm trying to think through what other uses might be.
That of course gets me wondering, if the "mega no-notebook" default is the go-to option, would I only need the formal notebooks for specific user created content? In other words, right now I have a notefile/notebook on each specific resource. All of my highlights as well as my notes with my comments/thoughts are located in that specific resource. However, it sounds like resource specific notebooks are no longer needed. Rather you would only need notebooks for things that aren't resource specific. (For example, a notebook on the topic of Forgiveness, a notebook on the Person of Paul, etc.) Am I understanding this correctly? Sorry for being so "obsessed" it's just that the new notes tool is an entirely different way of organizing than what I've done before and so I want to make sure I'm understanding everything before I take the plunge.
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Randy W. Sims said:
Was there ever any discussion on possibly putting the notes facets in to the visual filter menu or another menu? Some of those facets would be automatic, resource would apply to the current resource, resource type, etc. Bible book wouldn't matter, but tags, author, date, etc. To selectively show/hide notes without needing a notebook?
This isn't exactly what you are asking for, but might be useful in showing a subset of your notes:
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Ryan said:
in addition to the visual filters issue, if there is a reason I would want or need highlights in a specific notebook as opposed to the "mega no-notebook" default. I'm trying to think through what other uses might be.
I can't think of any other particular reasons for having highlights in a specific notebook now we have the opportunity to filter highlights by resource.
Ryan said:That of course gets me wondering, if the "mega no-notebook" default is the go-to option, would I only need the formal notebooks for specific user created content? In other words, right now I have a notefile/notebook on each specific resource. All of my highlights as well as my notes with my comments/thoughts are located in that specific resource. However, it sounds like resource specific notebooks are no longer needed
I think this is correct - at the moment I am tending to use notebooks for "wider" things such as notes I am creating for a sermon series I am working on.
Ryan said:Rather you would only need notebooks for things that aren't resource specific. (For example, a notebook on the topic of Forgiveness, a notebook on the Person of Paul, etc.) Am I understanding this correctly?
Notebooks could be used for these - and is probably the best way of handling them.
Another option is using tags - and tagging notes with particular topics. Then you can filter on these tags. For example you might note that in 2 Cor 2:10 Paul is speaking about forgiveness and tag the note with "Paul" and "Forgiveness". Then you could simply filter on the tag to see all the notes on that topic
One benefit of this approach is that notes can have multiple tags but can only be in one notebook
Ryan said:Sorry for being so "obsessed" it's just that the new notes tool is an entirely different way of organizing than what I've done before and so I want to make sure I'm understanding everything before I take the plunge.
No need to apologise - it is good to work these things through.
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I am not sure if this has been discussed anywhere since release...Does Logos eventually plan on making highlights and notes searchable?
This is very important to me.
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Mike Tourangeau said:
Does Logos eventually plan on making highlights and notes searchable?
What specifically are you looking for?
We can search for strings within the Notes Tool as below
but I guess this isn't what you are looking for.
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Graham Criddle said:
but I guess this isn't what you are looking for.
I don't think so. My technique with this new note tool has been to highlight (see screenshot far right) according to interests and tag so that I can find info later. In this instance it is "Second Temple" and "Jewish Patriotism" While I can find these in the note tool (Awesome) I would like to search (for sake of an example) "Spartans" (they are within the highlight).
In Logos 7 I could search within a highlight.
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Mike Tourangeau said:
In Logos 7 I could search within a highlight.
Thanks Mike
This is on the list of things to be added in - see Missing Functionality at https://www.logos.com/faq/notes (number 5 on the list)
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Thank you for the clarification above Graham. Most of my notebooks/notefiles are resource specific and it sounds like from the previous posts there isn't a need for this outside of the specific instances (i.e. sermon prep, topic of forgiveness, etc.) If there isn’t a need for notebooks, I should probably get rid of them (but keep the note), but that is going to take a LOT of work. Because of the organization of 1 notebook per book of bible, I often have duplicate notes. Is there an easy way to find them all? Is there an easy way to extract notes that are in a notebook and remove the notebook but do it in bulk?
Thank you for being so generous with your time and helping us. I greatly appreciate all you've done.
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Oops, nevermind. I found this:
If you have lots of unnecessary notebooks that you want to get rid of (especially if you used per-resource note documents for your highlights), don’t delete the notebook. Currently, deleting a notebook also deletes all of its notes. In the future, we plan to have an option that deletes a notebook without deleting its notes.
For now, the best way to get rid of unneeded notebooks is by selecting multiple notes at a time (by holding down Ctrl/Cmd or Shift), which will bring up the bulk actions area. Select “No Notebook,” and then scroll down and select “Apply changes.” You can only select up to 100 notes at a time, so this method will probably be tedious for really large notebooks. In the future we hope to have a much easier option for getting rid of a notebook you no longer need.
Thanks again for all your help. I'm learning quite a bit.
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The changes to the "Notes" In Logos 8 has been a disaster for me!! I spent an hour and a half with a customer service Representative yesterday who was extremely helpful. However I use notes in a two by tow matrix for daily prayer and daily Greek translation, but the new system simply won't work with notes is such approach. This morning doing my devotions and using a cumbersome work around I was able to do my translation, but all of my notes for my prayer journal cannot be found and my matrix keeps pulling up my translation note in all four panes. What a disaster!! It would be helpful if you talked with some of us before you destroy our work!! I have had Logos since Libronix 2 and at this moment feel no loyalty to Logos at all. Jim Holsinger
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Hi Jim
Sorry to hear that you are having trouble but I am having a bit of difficulty understanding the problem.
Any chance of posting a couple of screen shots to illustrate where it is going wrong?
Often there is a user who has overcome a problem or can suggest an alternative solution.
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Jim Holsinger said:
The changes to the "Notes" In Logos 8 has been a disaster for me!! I spent an hour and a half with a customer service Representative yesterday who was extremely helpful. However I use notes in a two by tow matrix for daily prayer and daily Greek translation, but the new system simply won't work with notes is such approach. This morning doing my devotions and using a cumbersome work around I was able to do my translation, but all of my notes for my prayer journal cannot be found and my matrix keeps pulling up my translation note in all four panes. What a disaster!! It would be helpful if you talked with some of us before you destroy our work!! I have had Logos since Libronix 2 and at this moment feel no loyalty to Logos at all. Jim Holsinger
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. But here is a try from reading your post.
First, about the missing notes, has your software finished syncing? It can take a while for all of the notes to come over the first time.
Second, I am able to open two notes panels and have two different notes up and working on them. Is this not working for you? Am I understanding the problem correctly?
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I have been doing work arounds, but four note panels no longer work correctly. Two panels are fine.
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Jim Holsinger said:
I have been doing work arounds, but four note panels no longer work correctly. Two panels are fine.
Everyone is finding it difficult to visualise what you used to do in L7 and why that doesn't work now. If you could provide a screenshot or a clearer description we may be able to help.
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In L7 I made a notebook called "The Life of Christ outside the Gospels," and in it I had a note for each major event in the life of Christ that is described in the New Testament from Romans through Revelation. The same event could be described in multiple places, so within each note there were multiple verse references. I had arranged the notes in chronological order as they occurred in the life of Christ. I liked being able to see all the details of all the notes at once and scroll through them. Of course, now in L8 I cannot see all the notes at once, and they are not listed in chronological order. I can find no way to control what order they appear, though my guess is that they are in the reverse order I made them. That is not the chronology I want them in.
If I understand how the Notes work now, I need to move all these notes into one single note and format the content within the note with bullets to reflect the events themselves and then list the verse references beneath each bullet. Would those more familiar with the L8 notes feature concur with this approach to making this kind of note? Or is there a different tool for making this sort of thing?
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Geoff
This thread is getting a little rambling.
I suggest the you copy your post into a new thread with an appropriate and descriptive title. This way your particular problem can be concentrated on and solutions unique to you posited with out the conversation being interspersed with replies to others.
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Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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I am writing notes in both Norwegian and English. It would be nice if we could set the language used in the note, so that I/we can keep spell check enabled for English notes, without being bothered with the whole note being painted red while typing notes in a non-English language.
A bonus would be if you also could add spellcheck support for more languages, and of course a language tag for sorting, though this is already possible with custom tags
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Here is how logos 8 manages my notes...it wipes them off my android device and anything I do in iOS does not push to any of my other devices...where do I go to get my money returned to me. I have no highlights or notes anymore, no one, zero...I live in frustration city, population explosion...
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HI Ron - and welcome to the forums.
So sorry to hear you are having problems.
Ron Martinez said:where do I go to get my money returned to me
You would need to contact Faithlife Customer Services regarding that - most of us on these forums are fellow-users trying to help and support other users
Ron Martinez said:I have no highlights or notes anymore, no one, zero.
If you would like us to try and help work out what has gone wrong please start a new thread in the Mobile apps forum - https://community.logos.com/forums/150.aspx - providing as many details as possible
Graham
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