Logos 7 Notes Functionality Is Coming Be Patient
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hi
I've used Logos for about 20 years, without following the forums and would not have upgraded the NOTES just now if I had had any idea of the issues that would be involved. If I could safely return I would. My professional workflow is seriosuly diminished now, and I'm, struggling to devleop work arounds, it is time consuming, sao much unnecessary waste.
I regret to say for using logos as a professional tool this fiasco is seriously unprofessional, logos resources to some people is for their daily work and we have to hope Logos takes the problems and issues more seriously now, and is researching the issues thoroughly and properly as a matter of urgency, and will uses its resources to be sure the functionality is properly undferstood and rectified as a matter of priority, for our sake and logos.
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Michael Perry said:
hi Graham
thanks for your reply. if the notes file could be draggged to the favourites menu with its unique NOTE FILE TITLE which could be read in the favourites menu, and then when clicked not just open the notes tool but open the actual TITLED NOTE FILE - then the power of titles as entities independant to the notes tool woudl be restored...?
best wishes
Michael
When you drag it to the favorites menu you can rename the link to be whatever you want therefore mimicking the function of having a titled note for you.
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hi David thanks for your reply.
Yes I know the link can be renamed, but it's time consuming, especially when already making notes in several note files simultaneously, and making new notes files all the time, and dragging them off to multiple locations in the favourites menu, only to have to renaming each one of 10- 20 new files in day a further 5 times seems to correspond to 5 seperate locations in the favoruties menu, seems a lot of unnecessary fiddling around when it was not necessary before? Each time the note file is drrgged off to the favouirites menu it simply shows "notes(4)" etc
If the NOTE FILE was TITLED once, it could be seen in the windows tab, and then simply dragged off here and there.
I use the FAVOURITES menu as a second user defined library, with my own topics for resources and note files, maybe with 10,000 or more entries over the years, btu wiht a good folder and sub folder organisaiton system I can go where I need quickly... I live it...amazing functionality for reading text books in many formats and all sorts of other resources... combining wiht other logos features of course
best wishes
Michael
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Michael Perry said:
hi David thanks for your reply.
Yes I know the link can be renamed, but it's time consuming, especially when already making notes in several note files simultaneously, and making new notes files all the time, and dragging them off to multiple locations in the favourites menu, only to have to renaming each one of 10- 20 new files in day a further 5 times seems to correspond to 5 seperate locations in the favoruties menu, seems a lot of unnecessary fiddling around when it was not necessary before? Each time the note file is drrgged off to the favouirites menu it simply shows "notes(4)" etc
If the NOTE FILE was TITLED once, it could be seen in the windows tab, and then simply dragged off here and there.
I use the FAVOURITES menu as a second user defined library, with my own topics for resources and note files, maybe with 10,000 or more entries over the years, btu wiht a good folder and sub folder organisaiton system I can go where I need quickly... I live it...amazing functionality for reading text books in many formats and all sorts of other resources... combining wiht other logos features of course
best wishes
Michael
So are these like category titles? In that case, would tags not make more sense as that is how the program is now designed to be used?
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scooter said:
I simply have to believe the owner
said let 'er rip. How else did it come into buy-me existence woefully under eventuated?Scooter, I totally get that you feel that way. During the beta testing when plans kept being stripped down (my description only), due to "not having enough development time before launch day", I got the same feeling. I complained that it felt like a runaway train and that I thought launch day should simply be moved. Phil explained why this couldn't happen in a way that made sense to me and I saw things in a different light after that.
In my mind FL's problem was simply biting off too much. On the other hand, one of the features I was looking forward to the most, got pulled out early on in the beta because problems came up that made it obvious that putting it in 8.0 would have negative effects. I say that to point out that they do care about the end user's experience. I'm now anxiously awaiting the return of my lost pet! 😉
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Reuben Helmuth said:scooter said:
I simply have to believe the owner
said let 'er rip. How else did it come into buy-me existence woefully under eventuated?Scooter, I totally get that you feel that way. During the beta testing when plans kept being stripped down (my description only), due to "not having enough development time before launch day", I got the same feeling. I complained that it felt like a runaway train and that I thought launch day should simply be moved. Phil explained why this couldn't happen in a way that made sense to me and I saw things in a different light after that.
In my mind FL's problem was simply biting off too much. On the other hand, one of the features I was looking forward to the most, got pulled out early on in the beta because problems came up that made it obvious that putting it in 8.0 would have negative effects. I say that to point out that they do care about the end user's experience. I'm now anxiously awaiting the return of my lost pet! 😉
Thank you for writing, Reuben. I very much appreciate you taking the time to do so.
I will pray for your lost pet: back soon, as a well-behaved alpha release, with a leash in its mouth, fully 8.x trained for you. [Seriously - I will pray.]
I feel better after reading your message three times. I have a busy three-or-so weeks coming up; I'll let perhaps writing Bob percolate in my brain, and decide after this period passes.
God bless!!
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David Taylor Jr said:Denise said:David Taylor Jr said:Denise said:
Even if you go back, it's temporary. Bradley says the future is here. I'd assume your best bet is to plead for specific 7-features?
I stayed on 7 - a vision with writing on the wall.
The same complaint over and over.... They have already given a list of what 7 features are coming back and which are not.
Which means nothing ... are you new? They general alter course over time ... usualy 3-4 years.
No not new. Been a Logos user for years. But I often see the same people complaining every time a release is made. It gets old.
Well, that's because Logos 8 was not up to par when it was released. That is the issue every release. Doesn't matter who complains, old or new, but the issue, the deep issue never changes.
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hi David
my point is not what I could do, but losing functionality in the simple but effective system I have,making Logos previously work very effectively using note files and the favourites menu,it is not just question of losing a very effective longstanding system of working, but also of losing the functionality of ny own user created cross referenced library, which revolves around what I have in my favourites menu and how the old note files interact with the links created .....what's been built up over the last 15 years. ....upon which I have spent hours, days , vacations and time developing the system and a lot of money investing in upon the basis of.... i worked it out in Libronix around 2003-4, and been doing it ever since, and its only got better since computers have got faster.
( also using alongside other aspects of the former note files as well, like highlighting and creating a note directly into a specified named open note file from the context menu, incredibly quick and effective for running through several text books and using several different note files simultaneoulsy-- simple but effective, no tagging, no changes necessary... all very effective and powerful)
I would like to be able to continue using that system, and not lose my titled note files operating as they did before, to interact wiht what I already have......, rather than stop overnight, even at the expense of not having the new notes tool, (or best still to somehow have both !)
thanks
Michael
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Hi Michael
The below is in 8.2 RC2 (so presumably should be available in the stable release when it ships)
Michael Perry said:if the notes file could be draggged to the favourites menu with its unique NOTE FILE TITLE which could be read in the favourites menu
Below I have the Notes Tool open with the notebook "Beta Test" selected
Dragging the Notes Tool to Favorites results in this
Michael Perry said:when clicked not just open the notes tool but open the actual TITLED NOTE FILE -
Closing the Notes Tool and then clicking the Beta Test (Notes) entry in Favorites results in this
So these things should work when 8.2 is available.
It doesn't indicate the name of the selected notebook in the Notes Tool tab but hopefully that is something that will come
Graham
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apologies, this post was a former one repeated by mistake
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hi Graham thanks for your reply.
Does this mean an open entitled notebook can be dragged into the favourites menu, and its title will show up in the favourites menu, at multiple locations, without any renaming, tagging or other keyclicking?
and when later clicked or dragged out of the favourites menu that actual notebook will be opened?
the title in the windows tab will show up.... in later versions?
best wishes
Michael
ps Do you know anything about note making from the context menu directly into a choice of open user defined notebooks, listed in the context menu, using the previously used/selected highlight all instantly and without any further tagging or renaming or other keylicks?
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Hi Michael
Michael Perry said:Does this mean an open entitled notebook can be dragged into the favourites menu, and its title will show up in the favourites menu, at multiple locations, without any renaming, tagging or other keyclicking?
Effectively yes. Technically it means that the Notes Tool with a particular notebook selected can be dragged into the Favorites menu and its title will show up without any further work.
(I'm distinguishing between "open entitled notebook" and "Notes Tool with a particular notebook selected" as - unlike Logos 7 where there were individual Notes Documents, in Logos 8 all Notes and Notebooks are contained within one Notes Tool of which multiple instances can be open at the same time).
Michael Perry said:and when later clicked or dragged out of the favourites menu that actual notebook will be opened?
Effectively yes[:)] The Notes Tool will be opened with that Notebook selected
Michael Perry said:the title in the windows tab will show up.... in later versions?
I have seen a comment from the Faithlife product manager saying it shouldn't be particularly difficult to do but I haven't seen any indication as to when / if it might appear (it would, presumably, be weighed against other priorities).
Michael Perry said:ps Do you know anything about note making from the context menu directly into a choice of open user defined notebooks, listed in the context menu?
This isn't available at the moment and I haven't seen any information on this
At the moment there isn't any option to select a notebook in the context menu - the note is added to the last one selected in the Notes Tool. So if you click a note in the Notebook in which you want to place a new note, then adding the note from the context menu will add it to that notebook.
Michael Perry said:using the previously used/selected highlight
If you use the Notes Tool to select a particular highlighting style, then the next time you add a highlight from the Notes Tool the same style will be used.
How are you adding highlights?
Graham
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hi Graham
thanks for your reply
- re: having the title of a notebook show up in the window tab- [ it can be doen but don't know when as not necessarily consdiered a priorty] -
***is there any way of RAISING the PRIORTIY level on this,*** - as it is a real nuisance if working with 20-30 notes files open, ( adding notes to any of each ) knowing whicuh one is where... the notes tool can have multiple instances open...which is good, but currently the trade off for a nmote file power user is not knowing which one is where, especially when using NOTEBOOKS as OPEN RESOURCES TO READ, and text edit.....
( note files in LOGOS 7 are not just for making post-it notes- but are RESOURCES in their own right - ( I had this dialogue with Dan about 7 years ago before the split screen was restored) and not a replacement for PBs becuase NOTE FILES can be edited in real time on an ongoing basis...
Many thanks
Michael
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hi Graham
can the issues of ***sending a note to selected note file DIRECTLY from the Context menu be put on the agenda as urgent***
if there is still no option to specifically select the NOTEBOOK into which to put the next note, from the context menu, then it is awkward to have to locate and tag each note after creation ( having many notebooks open) to put it where it needs to be...in logos 7 the NOTE FILE could be sent directly to a titled notebook, sending for examples notes to any of four open notbooks at quite a speed while speed reading through several texts at the same time...
best wishes
Michael
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Michael Perry said:is there any way of RAISING the PRIORTIY level on this
Phil mentioned yesterday that "We'll be adding Notebooks to the Docs menu in the near future."
You might want to get in touch with him and let him know that an open notebook doc should show the notebook title in its tab.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Michael Perry said:
***is there any way of RAISING the PRIORTIY level on this,*** - as it is a real nuisance if working with 20-30 notes files open, ( adding notes to any of each ) knowing whicuh one is where... the notes tool can have multiple instances open...which is good, but currently the trade off for a nmote file power user is not knowing which one is where, especially when using NOTEBOOKS as OPEN RESOURCES TO READ, and text edit.....
I suggest contacting the Logos 8 product manager (Adam Borries) directly. He is the one I referenced in my previous post in this thread - https://community.logos.com/forums/p/176832/1027818.aspx#1027818 - and in that post he provides contact details.
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Hi Michael
Michael Perry said:can the issues of ***sending a note to selected note file DIRECTLY from the Context menu be put on the agenda as urgent***
if there is still no option to specifically select the NOTEBOOK into which to put the next note, from the context menu, then it is awkward to have to locate and tag each note after creation ( having many notebooks open) to put it where it needs to be...in logos 7 the NOTE FILE could be sent directly to a titled notebook, sending for examples notes to any of four open notbooks at quite a speed while speed reading through several texts at the same time...
The best way to do this is to contact Adam - please see my previous post
Incidentally, Logos 8.2 has now shipped to the stable channel so you should see the new behavior in the Favorites Tool I was describing after you upgrade. Worth checking it out and seeing if it gives you (that part of) what you are looking for.
Graham
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Can someone tell me how to revert to the Logos 7 notes system?
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Karl Flentje said:
Can someone tell me how to revert to the Logos 7 notes system?
Use the command "set prefer notes tool to no"
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Karl Flentje said:
Can someone tell me how to revert to the Logos 7 notes system?
Use the command "set prefer notes tool to no"
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Hi Graham
does that command really revert to Logos 7 note files, the whole system, without any risk of conflicts?
(and it is possible to switch back later if or when logos 8 or 9 notes suit working methods? ?)
best wishes
Michael
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Michael Perry said:
does that command really revert to Logos 7 note files, the whole system, without any risk of conflicts?
It does revert back to Logos 7 behaviour but it isn't recommended as a longterm option, specifically it's not recommended as a good way of creating notes.
For Faithlife's guidance on this please see https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018336332
I don't fully understand the implications behind this.
I do know that notes sync only works one way - notes created in the Logos 7 context are automatically migrated to the new Notes Tool but it doesn't go the other way. So, for example, notes you have created using the Notes Tool in Logos 8 won't be visible in Logos 7.
There are warnings in that article about sync issues. My guess is that this applies if you are creating / updating notes in both contexts.
If you were thinking of using it for some time, and intending to create a lot of notes in it, I would recommend getting some clear guidance from someone at Faithlife first.
Graham
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David Taylor Jr said:
There is a difference between making an issue known and whining. It is the latter that I get fed up with. It is fine and reasonable to make a complaint. But when people start griping over the same thing over and over, then accusing FL of bad motives or "counting on our Christian-ish niceness to lessen the concerns raised" then that is not longer complaining about features or making issues known. To me, that is something entirely different that has no place here or anywhere in a Christian's life.
I think you are too harsh. The problem is that when Logos 8 came out, the the new features were being broadcast far and wide. The limitations of the new version were not. It takes a while to find the page that lists the limitations. For most people, upgrading means I get what I have now and more. In this case it was more and less. Had Logos delayed the launch until some time before Easter most people would not have complained. And if you hear a lot of it (whining), it means a lot of people were unhappy which reflects more on Logos' business decisions rather than the users (who were pretty happy with what they had). It is not the first time Logos made some decisions and then Bob, being the stand up guy that he is, had to admit the errors and clean up the mess. It sounds to me like one of the most important features in Logos 8 was not ready for showtime.
This nonsense with features being removed and being brought back in should not have happened. The Logos list of these features lists eighteen items. Logos knew they would be missed and still decided to go ahead and release the new version.0
