Logos. I give up.
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Thanks so much for all your help. Although still not peak performance it is much better.
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David Medina said:
I wish I could switch my HDD for an SSD in my iMac but unfortunately, Apple makes it expensive to do and I will probably replace all my computers by next year.
I feel your pain - it was the reason I chose the macbook I did. It was a little older (bought refurb) than I wanted but it was the last model that gave me the opportunity to personally upgrade some of the internal parts. That's a serious gripe about apple. I know that I'll be in the same boat as you in the near future... If I choose to stay on the mac platform. I've been on it for years and haven't touched a PC since my old e-machine tower in... the early 2000's?
Any way it works out, I'm glad you found some improvements on your setup! I'm sure if there was any other challenges you have, please share them. This community here would be quick to help you out!
MBPro'12 / i5 / 8GB // 3.0 Scholars (Purple) / L6 & L7 Platinum, M&E Platinum, Anglican Bronze, P&C Silver / L8 Platinum, Academic Pro
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David Medina said:
Thanks. I do agree, that is why I have all those features off. I always open to the possibility that there may be something corrupt with the computer itself.
Let me give you an example. Whenever I think I may want to use Logos 8 I have to launch the program and literally go to lunch to allow enough time for the app to load up and get to a point that can be usable. So I cannot use it as soon as the app start. Another issue is that is that it has to index frequently which I know that it affects the performance.
No other app in the Computer has issues like Logos, that is why I am not incline to consider the computer to be the issue.
I am running Logos 8 on a iMac 27 inch late 2013 with a i5 3.2 ghz processor with 24 GB of memory. It has the HD that comes with it (no SSD). That should be more than enough.
But I will try to reach out to support.
This sounds very odd to me as I am running a 4-year-old MacBook Pro and after I got through initial indexing, now Logos boots up in about 15 seconds and runs quickly thereafter. Some things generate the spinny beachball like loading a complex layout or something. I like the idea of rebuilding the index that has been suggested. I'm sorry you're experiencing this, but it certainly hasn't been my experience (though my hardware is a bit better: 3.3 GHz i5, SSD, 16 GB of RAM). Head's up if you weren't already aware, indexing can take a long time (especially with your HD instead of SSD). So set it to go overnight, pause it for your workday, and don't judge performance until indexing is complete.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Thanks.
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Dave, I just entered Rebuild Index in the Go box and it says it is indexing. But it looks like the same as regular indexing. How do I know that it actually is rebuilding the index?
Thanks
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David Medina said:
How do I know that it actually is rebuilding the index?
Because that's what "rebuild index" does
From the help file
Rebuild indexrebuild [index name] index
Sometimes the search index will need to be rebuilt, either because the indexer failed to complete its tasks, or because the index became corrupted. If the indexer is already running, these commands restart the indexer from the beginning.
Note: Building the index takes a long time and uses many system resources.
• rebuild index reindexes all resources.
• rebuild bible index rebuilds only the Bible index.
• rebuild library index reindexes all resources except Bibles.
• rebuild personal book index reindexes personal books only.
Logos Help. (2018). Bellingham, WA: Faithlife.0 -
HI David
I feel your pain.
I don't know what else I would get if I didn't have Logos. I had Logos 7 before 8. I like 7 a lot better, though the notes have a cooler look now. Yes, I find 8 is often sluggish and unresponsive.
There is still far more here than in any other Bible software program. I have learned to adapt. It's what I have, and it's still way better than not having it.
Let me know if you find anything better.
Larry
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David,
I'm not sure if I can share the web site's address on the forums but there is a Mac parts vendor that sales all things Mac including the SSD drives *AND* a kit that includes all of the "Special" tools you would need to do the swap out yourself. They also have extensive video help showing the process. A little bit of googling will find them.
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Roy said:
David,
I'm not sure if I can share the web site's address on the forums but there is a Mac parts vendor that sales all things Mac including the SSD drives *AND* a kit that includes all of the "Special" tools you would need to do the swap out yourself. They also have extensive video help showing the process. A little bit of googling will find them.
Roy, not referring to you.
But welcome to Logos, with special videos on how to get YOUR Bible software to work. I'm laughing, since I did the same (on the PC side). And the fans don't see anything curious about pastors, screwdrivers in-hand.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Roy said:
. They also have extensive video help showing the process. A little bit of googling will find them.
Some of us have an even more reliable and inexpensive method that is very reliable - call a grandson and pay for parts and dinner. Okay, it does take a well-trained grandson in the right profession but I will vouch for the reliability. So would Microsoft. [;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Some good news. Rebuilding the Index did help quite a bit. AT least I can now use the software. Thanks.
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David Medina said:
Some good news. Rebuilding the Index did help quite a bit. AT least I can now use the software. Thanks.
That is good news - but if you still have problems please post back with details.
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I have been considering reporting spikes in processor consumption by Logos in the first few minutes on OSX 10.14.3 and the most recent version of Logos.
This is with no visible indicator of indexing or downloading of new resources. This is also on a MBP that is about two months old with an SSD, 16GB and i7 2.2 Ghz.
On Saturday when this occurred, the processor maxed out and the fans came on. I rebooted and when I started Logos as the only thing, it returned to this state.
I left it for about five minutes and then it settled down. It ran then with no problems all day, even in the background with other fairly intensive apps running from time to time.
This morning it did it again, not to the same extent or intensity... but I am patient and after a few minutes it seems to settle down.
I am not sure what is causing this and I have seen it before. Being a bit lazy because it seems to sort itself out, I have not bothered to report it here. I'll do some screen shots and did around a bit more the next time it happens.
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Hi Donovan
Sorry to hear about the issues you are having.
When it happens again I suggest you report it in a new thread
Graham
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David Medina said:
Francis, I wish I could switch my HDD for an SSD in my iMac but unfortunately, Apple makes it expensive to do and I will probably replace all my computers by next year.
There is a way to run off an SSD even without opening up your device. Depending on whether your iMac uses a mini DVI port or a Thunderbolt 3 (USB C) you can add an external drive connected to that port that's an SSD. I did this for years on an old Mac mini. It is not as fast as it would be if you bought the computer with the SSD internally, but it is faster than running the computer with a traditional spinning drive inside. You can use something like Super Duper (free version works fine) to copy your internal drive. Then you can use the OPTION key on startup to select the start up disk.
- Hold down the Option key immediately after turning on or restarting your Mac.
- Release the Option key when you see the Startup Manager window.
- Select your startup disk, then click the arrow or press Return.
After testing if it works, then you can format the internal drive to use as a drive for storage.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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David Medina said:
Thanks. I do agree, that is why I have all those features off. I always open to the possibility that there may be something corrupt with the computer itself.
Let me give you an example. Whenever I think I may want to use Logos 8 I have to launch the program and literally go to lunch to allow enough time for the app to load up and get to a point that can be usable. So I cannot use it as soon as the app start. Another issue is that is that it has to index frequently which I know that it affects the performance.
No other app in the Computer has issues like Logos, that is why I am not incline to consider the computer to be the issue.
I am running Logos 8 on a iMac 27 inch late 2013 with a i5 3.2 ghz processor with 24 GB of memory. It has the HD that comes with it (no SSD). That should be more than enough.
But I will try to reach out to support.
I have been with Logos since 1997 and it has been my experience that Logos DOES NOT perform well on an HD, no matter what other specs may seem powerful enough; you have to have it on a SSD. I have used many computers with Logos, and no matter the RAM, Processor speed, Video RAM or anything, unless I had a SSD, it was slow.
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Experiences may vary for many reasons. I have L8 on a Laptop HD. The computer is several years old, but pretty fast. Logos runs quite fast on it. I had a 10 year old Desktop that like the Children of Israel's shoes would not wear out. It was laggy. I bought a SSD and now, L8 almost screams on that machine. So both can work fine, but SSD's are seriously better.
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GaoLu said:
Experiences may vary for many reasons. I have L8 on a Laptop HD. The computer is several years old, but pretty fast. Logos runs quite fast on it. I had a 10 year old Desktop that like the Children of Israel's shoes would not wear out. It was laggy. I bought a SSD and now, L8 almost screams on that machine. So both can work fine, but SSD's are seriously better.
Definitely.
And 20 users can be perfectly happy, but one not, all due to how it's used. Even the choice of a specific linked resource can half the performance, etc Luckily, all the great advice is sprinkled here and there, to prevent too much use.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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It may also help if you pause indexing while you are using the program. Indexing is very CPU intensive.
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