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For me, outlining would be super, linking to resources in and out of Logos seems a must, tables ... I don't really care. Above all, however, I cannot use the internal Logos note system, which I would love to use, until I can print and export. I simply cannot have my notes locked in a place where I cannot do other things with them.
I am not a "power" user, so maybe I am missing something. If so please let me know.
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Bob, take a look at the free The Word program, make sure you get all the information on how to use it, and use their forum site for the latest information, it is constantly improving, but updates are small and take seconds to install.
In Christ,
Jim
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Bob Pritchett said:JamesHudson said:
PS For the record I think RTF has had it's day - it's an old format that hasn't moved on. The way to go is XHTML (with CSS) - it's changing and moved on, but I think it'll be around for a while yet. In a previous post Bob mentioned tables needing to be resized as an example of how difficult note-making can become. Simple if you use HTML & CSS!
Alas, nothing is really simple.
In 1995 we had a notes system built using our book display engine. In theory a note could do anything a book could do, if we wrote user interface for it. But that UI was difficult and complex (table editing is quite complex), and we were -- literally -- writing a word processor. It had bugs, subtle inconsistencies with user expectations, etc.
In 2001 we switched to HTML, as you suggest now. We used Microsoft's HTML editing component. But we had lots of frustrations there, again where it wasn't similar to a word processor: HTML didn't (and still really doesn't) format text the same way, since it tries to maintain this strange "content separate from style" idea. Word processors (and users) tend to mix content/style freely. Users want to make some text "16pt" and bold, not "H2", which has a style that happens to be 16pt and bold.
As discussed in detail in other posts, the only competitors I know of with anything near a decent notes editor are using a third party control. Our investigation of third-party controls shows them to be inadequate in technology match (we're now WPF, which doesn't have as rich a third-party infrastructure yet), Hebrew typing support (I don't know any third party control that has it), and cross platform support.
I don't know any control that's WPF and Mac; we could theoretically use two different controls, but the more formatting options we require the harder it is to make sure that we can edit notes on both platforms without messing up your data.
We are improving our notes editor, and it's already much better in 4.0d than in 4.0. But the "simple" things people want -- tables, outlining, etc. -- aren't really simple. They're major features with lots of code behind them.
And when you say you want "a Logos integrated version of One-Note!" ... really? That's where you're voting we put our time? The Microsoft One-Note team is probably larger than all of Logos -- developers, sales people, and marketing combined!
To make sure I'm not missing something (with no sarcasm), please let me know which competitors have notes systems you like, with table and outline editing. I'll see if they're using third-party components I'm not aware of.
I don't want a third-party editor. The complaints I had with notes in L3 were that the fonts were not stable and that one could not link inside a note to precise locations in some resources (notably the Church Fathers) but had to link to the beginning of the chapter. Other than those two points I was, and am, relatively satisfied with L3 notes. I am not at all satisfied with notes in L4. If Logos were simply to reproduce the functions of L3 in L4 (I think they've fixed the font stability problem), I would be satisfied. As it is, I only use L4 for reading and use L3 for study. Logos has ensured a longer life for L3 by not implementing adequate notes functions in L4. Another drawback to L4 is its clunky morph search function which needs considerable improvement.
george
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Bob Pritchett said:
To make sure I'm not missing something (with no sarcasm), please let me know which competitors have notes systems you like, with table and outline editing. I'll see if they're using third-party components I'm not aware of.
Since you asked,
I use the Bibleworks 8 program for verse by verse and chapter by chapter note taking. They use a modified RTF component which is very robust with separated storage for Chapter and Verse notes, interlinking, outlining the whole ball of wax. Complete with a reporting feature that pulls the pericope range of notes into a single report for printing. It handles Hebrew, Greek English and German (the only languages I know enough to try and type anything in.) It is incredibly fast and loads in a separate window the milisecond I hover on a given verse, and then saves, unloads and loads the next verse the second I move my mouse.
The only function they don't handle is footnoting.
It's what I wish I could do in Logos.
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Jawohl, Thomas! [Y]Thomas Black said:I use the Bibleworks 8 program for verse by verse and chapter by chapter note taking. They use a modified RTF component which is very robust with separated storage for Chapter and Verse notes, interlinking, outlining the whole ball of wax. Complete with a reporting feature that pulls the pericope range of notes into a single report for printing. It handles Hebrew, Greek English and German (the only languages I know enough to try and type anything in.) It is incredibly fast and loads in a separate window the milisecond I hover on a given verse, and then saves, unloads and loads the next verse the second I move my mouse.
The only function they don't handle is footnoting.
It's what I wish I could do in Logos.
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Thomas Black said:
I use the Bibleworks 8 program for verse by verse and chapter by chapter note taking.... The only function they don't handle is footnoting.
Footnoting would be a real bonus !
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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