Question on Atlas Tool & Its Status

I was playing around with the atlas today and I cannot figure out what this icon does. It looks like it would repoint the map north but I cannot figure out a way to turn the map. I checked the atlas documentation file and the pro video (https://www.logos.com/logos-pro/atlas) but neither mention this icon. Anyone know?

Also I was curious from FL how the atlas is fairing up and when it might be finally completed as I remember it from the L6 days. Are all the maps in now? I noticed not every map has a media collection associated with it so is that still forthcoming? I also noticed on certain maps that changing from Flat to Terrain does nothing except change the colors (See Deborah/Barak maps).

Thx in Advance

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Randy W. Sims

I was playing around with the atlas today and I cannot figure out what this icon does. It looks like it would repoint the map north but I cannot figure out a way to turn the map.

I don't see it in the documentation (BUG):

Shift + Hold Right Mouse Button + Move left or right => Rotates map

Shift + Arrow Keys left or right => Rotates Map

Shift + Hold Right Mouse Button + Move up or down => Tilts map

Shift + Arrow Keys up or down => Tilts Map

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048150#Comment_1048150

Thank you Randy. I hope they add that to the documentation

Kevin A

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048150#Comment_1048150

Thanks Randy, I did not know about this feature, and I have the map on my main reading page in a link set, the tilt really brings the terrain to life [Y]

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048153#Comment_1048153

And the mystery-arrow button sets everything aright after being set askew.

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048150#Comment_1048150

I was playing around with the atlas today and I cannot figure out what this icon does. It looks like it would repoint the map north but I cannot figure out a way to turn the map.

I don't see it in the documentation (BUG):

Shift + Hold Right Mouse Button + Move left or right => Rotates map

Shift + Arrow Keys left or right => Rotates Map

Shift + Hold Right Mouse Button + Move up or down => Tilts map

Shift + Arrow Keys up or down => Tilts Map

This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy). But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond. For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

I'm still unclear though as to what the arrow "icon" on the map is for or how to use it.

EDIT: Oops! Just read GaoLu's post. Thanks for that!

Adam Olean

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048158#Comment_1048158

This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy). But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond. For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

Yes, it used to run better on my Surface 3 than it does now on my much more powerful Surface Pro (2017) model. Something changed along the way. I recall that macOS had GPU issues that Faithlife eventually resolved. They seem to have overlooked the issues on some Windows computers, although I'm sure it has been pointed out before.

Some media resources have been notoriously slow and unresponsive as well (e.g., 1000 Bible Images), whether for similar or different reasons. It's been a while since I've looked into these issues or raised them.

Veli Voipio

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048173#Comment_1048173

I checked the Atlas tool in the Logos app in Android and the app.logos.com in the PC and Android. I can zoom and rotate the map in the touch screen using the finger gestures.

But in the official Logos PC version those gestures won't work with the touch screen.

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048173#Comment_1048173

This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy). But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond. For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

Yes, it used to run better on my Surface 3 than it does now on my much more powerful Surface Pro (2017) model. Something changed along the way. I recall that macOS had GPU issues that Faithlife eventually resolved. They seem to have overlooked the issues on some Windows computers, although I'm sure it has been pointed out before.

Some media resources have been notoriously slow and unresponsive as well (e.g., 1000 Bible Images), whether for similar or different reasons. It's been a while since I've looked into these issues or raised them.

In general, I find the map/atlas feature sooooo much easier and faster to use in a competitor's product, that when I'm studying in Logos and want to check something out on a map, I often open the other product and use the Atlas feature there. In fact, did that again just this week when wanting to view the location of four cities being discussed in a Mobile Ed NT course I'm going through, because the locations had some bearing on where various scholars think the letters were likely to have been written from.

It was so easy (and fast) in the other application.

Open the Atlas
Start typing the first city, the app auto fills the name, I hit enter, and the Atlas positions itself to that area and highlights the city name in red.
Start typing the second, third, and fourth cities and ditto--same as with the first city.
I then had a map with all four cities highlighted in red and I was able to easily get distances (as the crow flies) between them.

I look forward to the day when it's that easy in Logos.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048290#Comment_1048290

Wow I wish it was that easy in Logos... I tried to find a river the other day and even though the Factbook found it and had a link to the atlas, when I clicked all it did was load the map. The rivers weren't even labeled. I gave up eventually and looked it up in an atlas

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048293#Comment_1048293

If I had my druthers, this would be one of the first things Logos would fix and fix well.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048150#Comment_1048150

Hadn't a clue these features were here Randy. Thank you for pointing that out.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048485#Comment_1048485

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

John Brumett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048293#Comment_1048293

I tried to find a river the other day

What river was that?

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048779#Comment_1048779

I tried to find a river the other day

What river was that?

The Kishon River... Doing Judges 4-5 next week

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048702#Comment_1048702

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

Bump

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049107#Comment_1049107

Against a brick wall?

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048158#Comment_1048158

<snip>

This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy). But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond. For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

</snip>

Rick, I'd like to better understand the Atlas slowness you're experiencing on your system. For example, on my modern MacBook Pro just now:

I restarted Logos, and then started from the Factbook page on the Arnon River and clicked on the map in the Media section with tooltip Battles of the Wandering Israelites.
I'd say it took about 7 seconds to open the Atlas panel, bring up the map, zoom in and show the orange circle.
Having loaded the map, zooming and panning seem nearly instantaneous
Switching to a different map in the sidebar takes a few seconds at most

What's your experience like?

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048702#Comment_1048702

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

I've passed the documentation feedback along: thanks for that.

We're not currently planning a feature like the one Rick describes, though i can appreciate why he wants it. The current best way to get a general sense of "where are these several places?" will be a Biblical World map for the appropriate era (in his case, Biblical World - The Early Church).

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049183#Comment_1049183

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

I've passed the documentation feedback along: thanks for that.

We're not currently planning a feature like the one Rick describes, though i can appreciate why he wants it. The current best way to get a general sense of "where are these several places?" will be a Biblical World map for the appropriate era (in his case, Biblical World - The Early Church).

Thank you Sean. Are there further updates coming to the atlas or is it finished? I noticed that there are some without slides. Also I couldn't remember where you were on getting these maps updated. Will rivers make it into maps? Thx

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1048293#Comment_1048293

Wow I wish it was that easy in Logos... I tried to find a river the other day and even though the Factbook found it and had a link to the atlas, when I clicked all it did was load the map. The rivers weren't even labeled. I gave up eventually and looked it up in an atlas

Mattillo, can you provide more information on this?

If i go to the Factbook page for Kishon, the first map in the Media section links to Deborah and Barak Gather an Army Once i zoom in (a lot, if my last viewed map was a Biblical World map with broad coverage), i see something like this, and Kishon is labeled. What do you see?

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049186#Comment_1049186

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

I've passed the documentation feedback along: thanks for that.

We're not currently planning a feature like the one Rick describes, though i can appreciate why he wants it. The current best way to get a general sense of "where are these several places?" will be a Biblical World map for the appropriate era (in his case, Biblical World - The Early Church).

Thank you Sean. Are there further updates coming to the atlas or is it finished? I noticed that there are some without slides. Also I couldn't remember where you were on getting these maps updated. Will rivers make it into maps? Thx

Nothing at Faithlife is ever "finished"[:)] Our current Atlas work is focused on

Completing localization (we offer Atlas in six languages besides English)
Completing Media Maps (the slides)

We've also produced some new maps as part of the Geographic Commentary series: those will show up in Atlas if you own the related product.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049188#Comment_1049188

Wow I wish it was that easy in Logos... I tried to find a river the other day and even though the Factbook found it and had a link to the atlas, when I clicked all it did was load the map. The rivers weren't even labeled. I gave up eventually and looked it up in an atlas

Mattillo, can you provide more information on this?

If i go to the Factbook page for Kishon, the first map in the Media section links to Deborah and Barak Gather an Army Once i zoom in (a lot, if my last viewed map was a Biblical World map with broad coverage), i see something like this, and Kishon is labeled. What do you see?

[:$]

Well gosh Sean... I will apologize as I did not notice that little Kishon up there. I find the river hard to see on the map you show so I went to the next one entitled Deborah and Barak defeat the Canaanites and it is easier to see on that one. I think what must have happened is I zoomed in to get close to the battle scene which cut out the Kishon description. My apologies for that and the delay in responding to you.

John Brumett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049203#Comment_1049203

The New Moody Bible Atlas has a nice map of the Mountains and Rivers of Palestine.

It would be nice if someday we would be able to search for these places in other maps and atlases. So Factbook would include the New Moody Atlas places.

Dan Cleghorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049219#Comment_1049219

I agree. In the mean time, I put all my atlases, maps, charts, and images into a collection. NowI can do a search for any event or place using this collection. It provides a lot of returns.

Richard Villanueva

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049275#Comment_1049275

DanC, did you manually make this collection or use a rule to gather them? If you created a rule, would you mind sharing it? I'm interested in doing the same!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049203#Comment_1049203

Well gosh Sean... I will apologize ...

I'm sorry, Mattillo, but when I looked at Sean's map, I didn't see any river. I think you'd have to know Kishon was 'the river'. I don't use the Atlas because they're so adament to not do normal mapping.

On iOS, I have my favorite mapping (ScenicMaps apps), and the dev guy is quite snappy (doesn't abide fix it suggestions). But he re-did a whole download series because he forgot the river names .. quite apologetic. And real names too ... like 'Mississippi River'.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049281#Comment_1049281

DanC, did you manually make this collection or use a rule to gather them? If you created a rule, would you mind sharing it? I'm interested in doing the same!

Unfortunately atlas isn't a tag in Logos. I don't have a lot of atlas' but what I have done is gone through the ones I have and tag them "atlas". Then you can make a rule mytag:atlas and that would work.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049339#Comment_1049339

Does the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" work much like the Atlas I use in Logos 8? I see no name on the one I presently have other than Atlas. I'm using Logos 8 and believe it's the Silver package I presently have.

Dan Cleghorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049281#Comment_1049281

DanC, did you manually make this collection or use a rule to gather them? If you created a rule, would you mind sharing it? I'm interested in doing the same!

Here is what I used for my collection. I also had to manually add three books for a total of 72 resources.

title:atlas OR title:map OR title:chart OR title:image

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049353#Comment_1049353

Does the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" work much like the Atlas I use in Logos 8? I see no name on the one I presently have other than Atlas. I'm using Logos 8 and believe it's the Silver package I presently have.

The "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" is a traditional atlas. I don't know how many maps it has overall: but the chapter on Paul includes

Saul's Early Years
The traditional maps of 3 missionary journeys and his journey to Rome (in a few versions)
A map on International Gateways of the Northeastern Mediterranean
The Jerusalem Council

Atlas, by contrast, isn't a prose resource, and includes zoomable (not static) maps for biblical stories. It has about 35 maps covering the life of Paul, so the maps are more fine-grained. The Biblical Places Maps are more like a traditional atlas resource.

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049180#Comment_1049180

<snip>

This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy). But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond. For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

</snip>

Rick, I'd like to better understand the Atlas slowness you're experiencing on your system. For example, on my modern MacBook Pro just now:

I restarted Logos, and then started from the Factbook page on the Arnon River and clicked on the map in the Media section with tooltip Battles of the Wandering Israelites.

I'd say it took about 7 seconds to open the Atlas panel, bring up the map, zoom in and show the orange circle.

Having loaded the map, zooming and panning seem nearly instantaneous

Switching to a different map in the sidebar takes a few seconds at most

What's your experience like?

Sean, thanks for your help with this.

First, I apologize for not responding sooner. I haven't had much time to be on the forum the last few days or to use Logos for the past week or so. And available time for the next couple of weeks may be spotty as well so it may be a while before I'm able to provide timely replies.

Now down to business. This morning I started Logos and opened the Atlas. It opened to the last map I had used which was "From Athens to Thessalonica -- Timothy". It took 17 seconds to open and load the map, although it took a little longer to completely finish as I had the Atlas in "terrain" view and it continued rendering some of the terrain features for another 5 seconds or so.

Initially, I couldn't get the map to either tilt or rotate. It would zoom in and out, but wouldn't tilt or rotate. So I tried another map. Same scenario. So now I was confused, because as previously noted, although it had been slow, it had worked for me before. What I eventually figured out is that the tilt and rotate would not work UNTIL I dragged/moved the map. I didn't have to move it much, but it simply would not tilt or rotate any map I tried until I moved the map--even if ever so slightly.

After figuring that out, most of the requests to rotate or tilt the map would complete within 2-3 seconds, although I found I could not simply hold the arrow keys down to start and then continue a tilt or rotation process. I'd have to release, then re-press the arrow key in order to further tilt or rotate the map, AND if I didn't leave a second or two between the arrow key presses, subsequent presses were ignored (no further rotation or tilt). At the beginning of this paragraph I said most requests to rotate or tilt the map would complete with 2-3 seconds. But there were a few times when the map simply stopped responding, even though I was leaving a second or two between arrow key presses. One of the times, the map started responding again after a considerable delay (20-30 seconds?), but not as quickly as before. And a couple of times, I had to leave the map and reopen it to get it working again.

After playing with several maps in terrain mode I switched to flat mode to see if that made any difference in the behaviors experienced in terrain mode. All was the same except I noticed when rotating the map, the arrow indicating the map's rotation angle was not changing--it always pointed straight up and pressing it would not reset the map. I then switched back to terrain mode and noticed the rotation arrow was no longer moving in that mode either and as in flat mode, pressing the arrow would not reset the map.

In general, loading maps in flat mode was a little quicker then in terrain mode, with many flat maps loading in 5-7 seconds, though a few took a little longer. In terrain mode it varied a lot more, ranging from 5-20 seconds. I also noted that when using the filter to list only those maps that had "Timothy" in the title, the original map I started with this morning (From Athens to Thessalonice -- Timothy) opened with the map positioned (and IIRC zoomed differently) than when opening it from the full list of maps.

So...in general, the Atlas was responding faster than it has for me in the past--not sure why--hope to play with it again within the next week or so. But even with the better response times this morning, there were several glitches in behavior sometimes causing delays in response time, sometimes getting no response at all. So overall, even though response time was much better than in the past (including recent past), it still made for a rather confusing and unsettling experience.

Hope this helps.

Thanks again! [:)]

EDIT: One additional note regarding tilting the map. There is obviously a limit as to how far the map can/will tilt, but there is no message or indicator that I can see that lets you know you've reached that point--the map simply stops responding. But when it stops responding on my system, the map is not nearly at an extreme enough tilt angle to make me suspect I've hit the tilt limit. That leaves me waiting and thinking something is wrong. I think it would be helpful if some kind of message or indicator was provided to let the user know the tilt limit had been reached.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049364#Comment_1049364

DanC, did you manually make this collection or use a rule to gather them? If you created a rule, would you mind sharing it? I'm interested in doing the same!

Here is what I used for my collection. I also had to manually add three books for a total of 72 resources.

title:atlas OR title:map OR title:chart OR title:image

I like it! Gave me a few more results though I added one more to the list:

title:atlas OR title:map OR title:chart OR title:image OR mytag:atlas

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049368#Comment_1049368

Does the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" work much like the Atlas I use in Logos 8? I see no name on the one I presently have other than Atlas. I'm using Logos 8 and believe it's the Silver package I presently have.

The "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" is a traditional atlas. I don't know how many maps it has overall: but the chapter on Paul includes

Saul's Early Years

The traditional maps of 3 missionary journeys and his journey to Rome (in a few versions)

A map on International Gateways of the Northeastern Mediterranean

The Jerusalem Council

Atlas, by contrast, isn't a prose resource, and includes zoomable (not static) maps for biblical stories. It has about 35 maps covering the life of Paul, so the maps are more fine-grained. The Biblical Places Maps are more like a traditional atlas resource.

Out of the two, which would you recommend first, the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" or "The Biblical Places Maps" although I do not see the latter listed for sale by Logos.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049451#Comment_1049451

Out of the two ...

Bootjack, Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.

Rose is a specialty atlas. If you wanted the best, a new thread with what you prefer ... forum mappers have great advice. That's how I found Zondervan.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049456#Comment_1049456

Thanks for the update Denise!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049457#Comment_1049457

Thanks for the update Denise!

I mentioned Zondervan (edited post above) because it operates similar to Atlas. It has the usual historical section, etc. But most important a dictionary by place. This latter includes a small discussion (hooks to a Bible using a CitedBy panel), and then a choice of maps for the location. This latter is also good since there's a popup letting you know what the clickable map discusses ... saves mindlessly bouncing across maps.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049456#Comment_1049456

Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.

Biblical Places Maps is available in all Feature Sets, and Connect subscriptions. It appears in Library, but it has lost the ease of viewing it had in Logos 4/5.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049471#Comment_1049471

Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.

Biblical Places Maps is available in all Feature Sets, and Connect subscriptions. It appears in Library, but it has lost the ease of viewing it had in Logos 4/5.

Used to be purchasable, if I remember.

John Brumett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049472#Comment_1049472

I think biblical Place Maps could go from a Ok resource to a great resource with a few changes.

Like a commentary list all the scripture verses related to the map event so you can link your bible and it will automatically scroll to the right event map. When you in the Bible double click on the city and the map will automatically zoom in to the location. Right now you have to play with the Control F key. Then create a visual filter to show in your Bible the locations that are on that map.

I now logos philosophy is invest in Logos 8 maps but why not fix both. Logos 5 maps are more colorful.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049459#Comment_1049459

Thanks for the update Denise!

I mentioned Zondervan (edited post above) because it operates similar to Atlas. It has the usual historical section, etc. But most important a dictionary by place. This latter includes a small discussion (hooks to a Bible using a CitedBy panel), and then a choice of maps for the location. This latter is also good since there's a popup letting you know what the clickable map discusses ... saves mindlessly bouncing across maps.

Is the something one can purchase from Logos?

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049456#Comment_1049456

Out of the two ...

Bootjack, Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.

Rose is a specialty atlas. If you wanted the best, a new thread with what you prefer ... forum mappers have great advice. That's how I found Zondervan.

Would you consider Rose as good or better than Atlas?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049483#Comment_1049483

Would you consider Rose as good or better than Atlas?

Someone else will need to answer about Rose. Being a bit catty-ish, I can't imagine a sellable atlas equal to Atlas.

Regarding Zondervan:

https://www.logos.com/product/26727/zondervan-atlas-of-the-bible

Keep in mind Zondervan and me don't get along. But this atlas is so interesting (I have to make an exception). The MVP-guy in Europe recommended it to me, I think. It was tough pushing the Buy button.

Anyway in the dictionary part, you have all the locations, of course. Then for each, a short description, and where ref'd in the Bible. Map coordinates, if you're automating. Miles and direction from more well known places, the modern name where available, and then the maps that show it, each with a pop up as above.

I stick all my atlas's in a map tag, then CitedBy it to my Old Testament layout. Very, very nice ... when a location, all my maps that show it.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049484#Comment_1049484

Got ya Denise. Thanks so much for the info. Presently I'm nearing a comatose state to attempt asking anything half intelligent but the map-tag thing sounds interesting. Let me get back to you sometime regarding that. Thank you again.

John Brumett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049485#Comment_1049485

In my opinion Rose Maps are far better than Zondervan. There are more maps and they stick with local events better. Rose Maps have many of the Carta Bible Atlas Maps which is the top of the line Bible Atlas. The New Moody Bible Atlas would be my second choice.

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049307#Comment_1049307

Well gosh Sean... I will apologize ...

I'm sorry, Mattillo, but when I looked at Sean's map, I didn't see any river. I think you'd have to know Kishon was 'the river'. I don't use the Atlas because they're so adament to not do normal mapping.

On iOS, I have my favorite mapping (ScenicMaps apps), and the dev guy is quite snappy (doesn't abide fix it suggestions). But he re-did a whole download series because he forgot the river names .. quite apologetic. And real names too ... like 'Mississippi River'.

Denise, when I saw the map and read Mattillo's reply, I had exactly the same thought about it. I would not have seen that as a river and was very disappointed to think that Faithlife saw that as a way to locate/label a river on a map.

I suppose I'd have to allow for it as being adequate and that I should have seen it as a river, provided there's a clear legend on the map showing that is how rivers are represented, but even in that case, from my perspective, it's just not good map-making practice and not very user friendly.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049484#Comment_1049484

I stick all my atlas's in a map tag, then CitedBy it to my Old Testament layout. Very, very nice ... when a location, all my maps that show it.

Could you explain what you mean by a "map tag" & and how one sets that up?

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049478#Comment_1049478

I think biblical Place Maps could go from a Ok resource to a great resource with a few changes.

Like a commentary list all the scripture verses related to the map event so you can link your bible and it will automatically scroll to the right event map. When you in the Bible double click on the city and the map will automatically zoom in to the location. Right now you have to play with the Control F key. Then create a visual filter to show in your Bible the locations that are on that map.

I now logos philosophy is invest in Logos 8 maps but why not fix both. Logos 5 maps are more colorful.

You can link Atlas to your Bible, and then Atlas will display relevant maps for the current passage. Since there are often multiple maps (an overview and a story map), you'll have to pick which one you want.

Here's an example for Acts 13:1 (sorry for all the localized Atlas versions: English-only users will only see the two, Biblical World-The Early Church, and Paul and Barnabas on Cyprus).

If there are no story maps in Atlas (like Acts 12:18), you'll only see the overview map. Ctrl-F will find any places named in the passage.

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049516#Comment_1049516

Well gosh Sean... I will apologize ...

I'm sorry, Mattillo, but when I looked at Sean's map, I didn't see any river. I think you'd have to know Kishon was 'the river'. I don't use the Atlas because they're so adament to not do normal mapping.

On iOS, I have my favorite mapping (ScenicMaps apps), and the dev guy is quite snappy (doesn't abide fix it suggestions). But he re-did a whole download series because he forgot the river names .. quite apologetic. And real names too ... like 'Mississippi River'.

Denise, when I saw the map and read Mattillo's reply, I had exactly the same thought about it. I would not have seen that as a river and was very disappointed to think that Faithlife saw that as a way to locate/label a river on a map.
I suppose I'd have to allow for it as being adequate and that I should have seen it as a river, provided there's a clear legend on the map showing that is how rivers are represented, but even in that case, from my perspective, it's just not good map-making practice and not very user friendly.

Making good maps involves a lot of design decisions and compromises. This map is a tough case, because the primary point of the map is to show the territories of the tribes that were gathered by Deborah and Barak. But the colored polygons that show that make some other details hard to see.

Here's a more typical Atlas map that shows the Kishon river. Our map styling is consistently a blue line for the river and a smaller, italic font for the label. If you zoom in, you'll typically see a label following the river line, often at multiple points depending on zoom level.

We've chosen a particular technical approach to support zooming, localization, and maintainability. That means we can't easily tweak some details like a static map: a map like this one is really more like 10 different maps at different zoom levels, with different labels and features hidden or shown depending on the zoom level.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049577#Comment_1049577

I stick all my atlas's in a map tag, then CitedBy it to my Old Testament layout. Very, very nice ... when a location, all my maps that show it.

Could you explain what you mean by a "map tag" & and how one sets that up?

Hi Bootjack

Map tag is a Denise-ism for a plain-jane tag (library resources) named maps (and charts). You could equally drag your map resources into a collection (and name it as desired). Then, you put a CitedBy panel next to your Bible (Old Testament best of course). Click the Add button on the CitedBy panel, select your map resources tag or collection, then link the panel to your Bible. If this sounds complicated, it's really not.

I guess I've ended up with maybe 4 atlas, plus charts, so somebody's always referring to a Bible passage. The funny one is 1 Kings 8:5, where the accountants lost their inventory count. I was on the phone this morning because the state revenuers gave us back all our taxes (suddenly a big bank account!). When we called up to complain, they said 'Enjoy!' Sounded just like Solomon.

John Brumett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1049621#Comment_1049621

Sean:

I was talking about the Logos 5 maps.