Logos 8 Messianic Jewish Base Packages - Now Available!
Hi all,
We're excited to announce the launch of the Logos 8 Messianic Jewish base packages, filled with resources to help your Bible study from a Messianic Jewish perspective.
- Logos 8 Messianic Jewish Starter
- Logos 8 Messianic Jewish Bronze
- Logos 8 Messianic Jewish Silver
- Logos 8 Messianic Jewish Gold
- Logos 8 Messianic Jewish Platinum
- Logos 8 Messianic Jewish Diamond
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I have been looking at these, and like most base packages, they offer excellent value — especially Starter and Bronze.
Previously on these forums we've discussed buying strategies for base packages. If you're going for a big package, is it cheaper to buy the big package, or buy each package in turn, working up from the smallest?
I've done the maths so you don't have to. For the Messianic packages, the smaller packages have a bigger discount. Therefore there are reasonably significant savings to be had by buying the smaller packages first.
In my case I was originally quoted $148.85 for Diamond. But by buying Starter, then Bronze, all the way up to Diamond, I only paid $120.15, a saving of $28.70, or 19.3%. Everyone's dollar amounts and percentage savings will differ (depending on dynamic pricing), but everyone should save a decent amount.
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Mark Barnes said:
I have been looking at these, and like most base packages, they offer excellent value — especially Starter and Bronze.
Previously on these forums we've discussed buying strategies for base packages. If you're going for a big package, is it cheaper to buy the big package, or buy each package in turn, working up from the smallest?
I've done the maths so you don't have to. For the Messianic packages, the smaller packages have a bigger discount. Therefore there are reasonably significant savings to be had by buying the smaller packages first.
In my case I was originally quoted $148.85 for Diamond. But by buying Starter, then Bronze, all the way up to Diamond, I only paid $120.15, a saving of $28.70, or 19.3%. Everyone's dollar amounts will vary, but the percentage savings should remain similar.
How do you figure this Mark? When I look at the percentages quoted, I save 74% off Starter and Bronze, 78% off Silver, 81% off Gold, 85% off Platinum, and then 78% off Diamond. Would it not be best for me to buy Platinum and then Diamond? Please keep in mind that I teach English and not math!
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When I was looking at the package details platinum and diamond both stated that I would receive the same number of resources, but they had a $3 and change price difference.
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Joseph Turner said:
How do you figure this Mark? When I look at the percentages quoted, I save 74% off Starter and Bronze, 78% off Silver, 81% off Gold, 85% off Platinum, and then 78% off Diamond. Would it not be best for me to buy Platinum and then Diamond? Please keep in mind that I teach English and not math!
The discount that matters is not your dynamic pricing discount, but the cost of the base package compared to the cost of buying all the resources individually. Usually that figure is around 90%. For example, Gold has $11,199.30 for $950, a discount rate of 91.52%.
The discount rates for each Messianic Jewish package is as follows:
- Starter is 97.13%
- Bronze is 95.46%
- Silver is 92.83%.
- Gold is 91.52%.
- Platinum is 91.26%
- Diamond is 91.15%
You should always buy packages in order of this discount level.
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Kenneth Neighoff said:
When I was looking at the package details platinum and diamond both stated that I would receive the same number of resources, but they had a $3 and change price difference.
Platinum would be the slightly cheaper one, because that has the slightly larger discount rate, shown in my list above.
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These are wonderful. My budget is going to be so toast![8-|]
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Mark Barnes said:Joseph Turner said:
How do you figure this Mark? When I look at the percentages quoted, I save 74% off Starter and Bronze, 78% off Silver, 81% off Gold, 85% off Platinum, and then 78% off Diamond. Would it not be best for me to buy Platinum and then Diamond? Please keep in mind that I teach English and not math!
The discount that matters is not your dynamic pricing discount, but the cost of the base package compared to the cost of buying all the resources individually. Usually that figure is around 90%. For example, Gold has $11,199.30 for $950, a discount rate of 91.52%.
The discount rates for each Messianic Jewish package is as follows:
- Starter is 97.13%
- Bronze is 95.46%
- Silver is 92.83%.
- Gold is 91.52%.
- Platinum is 91.26%
- Diamond is 91.15%
You should always buy packages in order of this discount level.
But do we assume that each resource is discounted equally? For instance, if I own some of the more expensive resources in a package which seem to be heavily discounted under the package, then do I not get a smaller discount since I already own those items which are more heavily discounted than the others? How do we know if everything is discounted equally across the board?
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Joseph Turner said:
But do we assume that each resource is discounted equally? For instance, if I own some of the more expensive resources in a package which seem to be heavily discounted under the package, then do I not get a smaller discount since I already own those items which are more heavily discounted than the others? How do we know if everything is discounted equally across the board?
We don't have official confirmation of that, but since dynamic pricing was introduced we have worked on the assumption that the dynamic pricing discount is calculated on the basis that all resources in a base package are discounted equally. That assumption has always worked in practice.
If you're intending to buy a Messianic base package anyway, you can test the theory by buying Starter. I'm very confident you will notice the price of the other base packages will drop by significantly more than you spent on Starter.
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Before buying anything the price to me for starter is $6.78 and diamond $161.52.
I bought starter and the new cost for diamond is $141.61, a fall of $19.91, so by buying starter first I save $13.13, which in contrast to the cost of starter is huge,
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Mark Barnes said:Joseph Turner said:
But do we assume that each resource is discounted equally? For instance, if I own some of the more expensive resources in a package which seem to be heavily discounted under the package, then do I not get a smaller discount since I already own those items which are more heavily discounted than the others? How do we know if everything is discounted equally across the board?
We don't have official confirmation of that, but since dynamic pricing was introduced we have worked on the assumption that the dynamic pricing discount is calculated on the basis that all resources in a base package are discounted equally. That assumption has always worked in practice.
If you're intending to buy a Messianic base package anyway, you can test the theory by buying Starter. I'm very confident you will notice the price of the other base packages will drop by significantly more than you spent on Starter.
Good point! I'll try.
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Mike Pettit said:
Before buying anything the price to me for starter is $6.78 and diamond $161.52.
I bought starter and the new cost for diamond is $141.61, a fall of $19.91, so by buying starter first I save $13.13, which in contrast to the cost of starter is huge,
That's exactly the sort of figures I would expect. The savings grow proportionately less as you move to bigger base packages, because the difference in the discount rate between Starter and Diamond is much bigger than the difference in the discount rate between Platinum and Diamond.
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Mine turned out as follows:
Starter 8.87 Purchased
Bronze 33.42 19.93 Purchased
Silver 87.21 66.50 36.24 Purchased
Gold 172.75 148.51 113.30 71.40 Purchased
Platinum 218.57 193.19 156.39 112.70 38.53 Purchased
Diamond 615.99 590.46 553.50 509.70 435.51 397.08
So basically, my original price for Platinum was 218.57, and I paid 174.97 by working up to it. I have not purchased Diamond, but my price would go from 615.99 to 572.05.
Thanks Mark!
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Joseph Turner said:
So basically, my original price for Platinum was 218.57, and I paid 174.97 by working up to it. I have not purchased Diamond, but my price would go from 615.99 to 572.05.
That's a saving of $43.60 or nearly 20%. That's more than me [:)]!
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Great strategy Joseph. I just followed your lead.
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We're excited to announce the launch of the Logos 8 Messianic Jewish base packages, filled with resources to help your Bible study from a Messianic Jewish perspective.
Let me simply say, "Thank you!" This was a completely unexpected surprise.
Mark, thanks for taking the time to work out the numbers/discounts.
I hope these packages will be a blessing to everyone who has requested and patiently waited for them.
Baruch HaShem
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Confirmed!
I did work my way up purchasing the packages, it brought down the Diamond from $134 (if purchased directly) to $113 (when purchased from bottom up).
Saving 15%.
Thanks man.
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side note: My diamond package wasn't available anymore once I purchased the platinum, that which is lower.
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Joseph Turner said:
Mine turned out as follows:
Starter 8.87 Purchased
Bronze 33.42 19.93 Purchased
Silver 87.21 66.50 36.24 Purchased
Gold 172.75 148.51 113.30 71.40 Purchased
Platinum 218.57 193.19 156.39 112.70 38.53 Purchased
Diamond 615.99 590.46 553.50 509.70 435.51 397.08
So basically, my original price for Platinum was 218.57, and I paid 174.97 by working up to it. I have not purchased Diamond, but my price would go from 615.99 to 572.05.
Thanks Mark!
Yes thanks Mark! And thank Joseph for sharing this. It's good to see it proved out with a real example (without me actually having to spend money [;)]).
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I figured that for under $11, I’d grab starter.
I’m curious (being somewhat ignorant about Messianic Judaism) about the inclusion of certain 19th century Protestant authors in the sets. Was that just for purposes of studying Scripture in general or do they have special meaning for Messianic Jews?
Can someone enlighten my ignorance?
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The term "Messianic Jews" is a sort of grab-bag moniker for Jews who accept Yeishuua` as both Son and Messiah. But there are vagaries of belief among those who have that single fact in common. Some become almost entirely Gentilized, forsaking Jewish holidays for "historically Christian" ones, like Easter and Christmas. Some reject Easter and Christmas as pagan interlopers into true Biblical worship. Some throw it all into one pot and stir. There are other issues as well that provoke and receive varying understandings and practices. For instance, some basically practice rabbinic Judaism unchanged except for acceptance of Yeishuua`; others reject virtually everything rabbinic as effectively, if not inherently, unbiblical.
Generally speaking, MJs are not a unified collective, and some will be more interested in historical Christianity (of whatever stripe) than others.
A fairly common mistake for more traditional Christians is to assume that "Messianic" is solely a collective term for Jews Who Accept Jesus. There are Messianics who are not Jews but who have a pro-Tohraah perspective and don't believe Yeishuua` "kept the law so we don't have to" (what I call "Easy Off" religion).
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Are the packages going to be integrated into the books comparison tool?
Thanks.
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David Wanat said:
certain 19th century Protestant authors
I consider this simply part of the packaging. Messianics, in general, are no different than other believers save for our emphasis on incorporating a more welcoming place where Jews and Gentiles can worship together. It's more distinctly Jewish. There's definitely some lone rangers around, but I think they don't represent Messianic Judaism but the Hebrew Roots folks.
If you have two Jews, there must be three synagogues. One prefers one, the second prefers another, and both won't go near the third one.
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Thanks again for investigating these, Mark.
Have bought into one of the cheaper ones.
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David Paul said:
The term "Messianic Jews" is a sort of grab-bag moniker for Jews who accept Yeishuua` as both Son and Messiah. But there are vagaries of belief among those who have that single fact in common. Some become almost entirely Gentilized, forsaking Jewish holidays for "historically Christian" ones, like Easter and Christmas. Some reject Easter and Christmas as pagan interlopers into true Biblical worship. Some throw it all into one pot and stir. There are other issues as well that provoke and receive varying understandings and practices. For instance, some basically practice rabbinic Judaism unchanged except for acceptance of Yeishuua`; others reject virtually everything rabbinic as effectively, if not inherently, unbiblical.
Generally speaking, MJs are not a unified collective, and some will be more interested in historical Christianity (of whatever stripe) than others.
A fairly common mistake for more traditional Christians is to assume that "Messianic" is solely a collective term for Jews Who Accept Jesus. There are Messianics who are not Jews but who have a pro-Tohraah perspective and don't believe Yeishuua` "kept the law so we don't have to" (what I call "Easy Off" religion).
Thanks for the explanation. I decided to begin with the Starter set as I prefer to get accounts from those involved in a denomination or movement rather than rely on third party accounts that are usually from outside.
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Great to have these packages available.
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Mark Barnes said:Joseph Turner said:
How do you figure this Mark? When I look at the percentages quoted, I save 74% off Starter and Bronze, 78% off Silver, 81% off Gold, 85% off Platinum, and then 78% off Diamond. Would it not be best for me to buy Platinum and then Diamond? Please keep in mind that I teach English and not math!
The discount that matters is not your dynamic pricing discount, but the cost of the base package compared to the cost of buying all the resources individually. Usually that figure is around 90%. For example, Gold has $11,199.30 for $950, a discount rate of 91.52%.
The discount rates for each Messianic Jewish package is as follows:
- Starter is 97.13%
- Bronze is 95.46%
- Silver is 92.83%.
- Gold is 91.52%.
- Platinum is 91.26%
- Diamond is 91.15%
You should always buy packages in order of this discount level.
Thanks! This worked out great and saved me around $5 by going starter then bronze instead of straight to bronze
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mab said:
There's definitely some lone rangers around, but I think they don't represent Messianic Judaism but the Hebrew Roots folks.
What are the main differences between Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots? Hebrew Roots has just recently come to my attention since my friend has a cousin that is all into it and she was asking me about it. I am completely ignorant of the phenomenon.
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Kiyah said:mab said:
There's definitely some lone rangers around, but I think they don't represent Messianic Judaism but the Hebrew Roots folks.
What are the main differences between Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots? Hebrew Roots has just recently come to my attention since my friend has a cousin that is all into it and she was asking me about it. I am completely ignorant of the phenomenon.
There are some older forum threads that discuss this, which you can find by googling for "hebrew roots" site:community.logos.com
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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mab said:
If you have two Jews, there must be three synagogues. One prefers one, the second prefers another, and both won't go near the third one.
@Faithlife: Can we get three lines of Messianic Base Packages please? [:P] (Be aware, none will buy any of the third line. It just needs to be there.)
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Kiyah said:
What are the main differences between Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots? Hebrew Roots has just recently come to my attention since my friend has a cousin that is all into it and she was asking me about it. I am completely ignorant of the phenomenon.
Hebrew Roots was originally non-Jews who took a pro-Tohraah perspective to the Bible and religious practice. Generally, these were folks who weren't attracted to Judaism, particularly rabbinism, but who tried to live as Yeishuua` lived (i.e. doing what the Father says), having a perspective aligned with 1 Jn. 3:7 NASB...righteousness is practiced; not imputed...an idea John calls "deception". Unfortunately, the internet giveth and the internet taketh away. As more and more people became attracted to this perspective, along came some Sunday-church cast-offs, the kinds of people who have always been know-it-alls. After watching 15 minutes of YouTube videos, they were experts in Hebrew, cranking out unending foolishness about how His name can't be Jesus because the letter J is only 500 years old and was invented by Constantine and the pope, and creating memes about "the deceptive Yiddish Masoretic vowel points". [The Masoretes were separated from the Yiddish by 500 years and a continent.]
Old school Hebrew Roots folks want nothing to do with such garbage, but as the current political climate shows, trash always gets more adherents than truth does. Lew White, who wrote Fossilized Customs, is one of the ring-leaders of the current clown show. Knowing only enough Hebrew to get himself and thousands of others into deep trouble, he popularized the Yahuah and Yahusha spellings and pronunciations of names of YHWH & Yeishuua` (Jesus). Based on no evidence whatsoever, he insists that the sixth Hebrew letter (waaw, or vav in MH), is only ever a long-U sound, so he calls it uau (no idea how you would pronounce that). He used to (and may still) run a "head shop" called Electric Ladyland, selling drug paraphernalia, along with icons and accouterments of every non-biblical worldview imaginable (Wiccanism, Hinduism, Druidism, Egyptology, etc.). There was a video on YouTube that did a video tour of his shop and then showed him behind the counter answering questions and taking phone calls. Makes one wonder what's going through his head when he makes videos about the perils of paganism. In the last few years, the sensationalists like Lew White have had a tremendous negative impact on the Hebrew Roots movement.
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Jan Krohn said:
Be aware, none will buy any of the third line. It just needs to be there.
[:D][Y][Y][Y] Maybe it will be called the Scribes Pharisees Hypocrites edition
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Joseph Turner said:
Mine turned out as follows:
Starter 8.87 Purchased
Bronze 33.42 19.93 Purchased
Silver 87.21 66.50 36.24 Purchased
Gold 172.75 148.51 113.30 71.40 Purchased
Platinum 218.57 193.19 156.39 112.70 38.53 Purchased
Diamond 615.99 590.46 553.50 509.70 435.51 397.08
So basically, my original price for Platinum was 218.57, and I paid 174.97 by working up to it. I have not purchased Diamond, but my price would go from 615.99 to 572.05.
Thanks Mark!
Discounts worked! I got Starter for $6 and change and it brought down Bronze from $22 and change to $12 and change. Which means I got Bronze for $18 and change instead of $22 and change. So I saved $4 bucks compared to just buying Bronze straight up the first time for $22. I might go for Silver now that it came down to $54 instead of almost $80 bucks. But these new BP’s are great; especially since I’m slowly researching MJ’s (Messianic Jews) Thank you FL 👍 (Hint: I’m still hopeful for a restoration movement base package).
DAL
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David Paul said:
As more and more people became attracted to this perspective, along came some Sunday-church cast-offs, the kinds of people who have always been know-it-alls. After watching 15 minutes of YouTube videos, they were experts in Hebrew, cranking out unending foolishness about how His name can't be Jesus because the letter J is only 500 years old and was invented by Constantine and the pope, and creating memes about "the deceptive Yiddish Masoretic vowel points". [The Masoretes were separated from the Yiddish by 500 years and a continent.]
Old school Hebrew Roots folks want nothing to do with such garbage, but as the current political climate shows, trash always gets more adherents than truth does. Lew White, who wrote Fossilized Customs, is one of the ring-leaders of the current clown show.
Tell us how you really feel David, I feel like you're holding back. lol [;)]
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David Paul said:Kiyah said:
What are the main differences between Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots? Hebrew Roots has just recently come to my attention since my friend has a cousin that is all into it and she was asking me about it. I am completely ignorant of the phenomenon.
Hebrew Roots was originally non-Jews who took a pro-Tohraah perspective to the Bible and religious practice. Generally, these were folks who weren't attracted to Judaism, particularly rabbinism, but who tried to live as Yeishuua` lived (i.e. doing what the Father says), having a perspective aligned with 1 Jn. 3:7 NASB...righteousness is practiced; not imputed...an idea John calls "deception". Unfortunately, the internet giveth and the internet taketh away. As more and more people became attracted to this perspective, along came some Sunday-church cast-offs, the kinds of people who have always been know-it-alls. After watching 15 minutes of YouTube videos, they were experts in Hebrew, cranking out unending foolishness about how His name can't be Jesus because the letter J is only 500 years old and was invented by Constantine and the pope, and creating memes about "the deceptive Yiddish Masoretic vowel points". [The Masoretes were separated from the Yiddish by 500 years and a continent.]
Old school Hebrew Roots folks want nothing to do with such garbage, but as the current political climate shows, trash always gets more adherents than truth does. Lew White, who wrote Fossilized Customs, is one of the ring-leaders of the current clown show. Knowing only enough Hebrew to get himself and thousands of others into deep trouble, he popularized the Yahuah and Yahusha spellings and pronunciations of names of YHWH & Yeishuua` (Jesus). Based on no evidence whatsoever, he insists that the sixth Hebrew letter (waaw, or vav in MH), is only ever a long-U sound, so he calls it uau (no idea how you would pronounce that). He used to (and may still) run a "head shop" called Electric Ladyland, selling drug paraphernalia, along with icons and accouterments of every non-biblical worldview imaginable (Wiccanism, Hinduism, Druidism, Egyptology, etc.). There was a video on YouTube that did a video tour of his shop and then showed him behind the counter answering questions and taking phone calls. Makes one wonder what's going through his head when he makes videos about the perils of paganism. In the last few years, the sensationalists like Lew White have had a tremendous negative impact on the Hebrew Roots movement.
This is actually helpful as I know a single mother who has been expressing some of these strange ideas (Brides of YWHY?) The name Jesus is pagan (?) Bunch of other strange ideas......
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We're excited to announce the launch of the Logos 8 Messianic Jewish base packages, filled with resources to help your Bible study from a Messianic Jewish perspective.
Daniel, I'm hoping you're also excited to announce the launch of the Messianic Jewish Products forum, ASAP.
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SineNomine said:
We're excited to announce the launch of the Logos 8 Messianic Jewish base packages, filled with resources to help your Bible study from a Messianic Jewish perspective.
Daniel, I'm hoping you're also excited to announce the launch of the Messianic Jewish Products forum, ASAP.
I am indeed excited to announce the launch of the Messianic Jewish Products forum. Enjoy!
Product Manager, Faithlife
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I am indeed excited to announce the launch of the Messianic Jewish Products forum. Enjoy!
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SineNomine said:
We're excited to announce the launch of the Logos 8 Messianic Jewish base packages, filled with resources to help your Bible study from a Messianic Jewish perspective.
Daniel, I'm hoping you're also excited to announce the launch of the Messianic Jewish Products forum, ASAP.
I am indeed excited to announce the launch of the Messianic Jewish Products forum. Enjoy!
Great! I'm glad it was created so quickly.
Please move it up into the right spot in the list of forums. Thanks!
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It was created fast, but ZERO posts as of now! Wow 😲 You’d think all the MJ’s would go running to post and at least say thank you for the new BP’s and their own MJ forum.
DAL
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Manuel Maria said:
Are the packages going to be integrated into the books comparison tool?
Thanks.
Looks like we're still waiting on this.
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Mark Barnes said:Joseph Turner said:
How do you figure this Mark? When I look at the percentages quoted, I save 74% off Starter and Bronze, 78% off Silver, 81% off Gold, 85% off Platinum, and then 78% off Diamond. Would it not be best for me to buy Platinum and then Diamond? Please keep in mind that I teach English and not math!
The discount that matters is not your dynamic pricing discount, but the cost of the base package compared to the cost of buying all the resources individually. Usually that figure is around 90%. For example, Gold has $11,199.30 for $950, a discount rate of 91.52%.
The discount rates for each Messianic Jewish package is as follows:
- Starter is 97.13%
- Bronze is 95.46%
- Silver is 92.83%.
- Gold is 91.52%.
- Platinum is 91.26%
- Diamond is 91.15%
You should always buy packages in order of this discount level.
Thanks for this Mark. I had suspected this to be the case but didn't know how to figure it out, thanks!
I just bought the starter, then the bronze and can also confirm the others are dropping more than what I've spent. I have a question though. Shouldn't the percentages be based on what the actual discount is to the individual buying?
For example, the percentages you listed above are for someone who doesn't own any of the products right? But wouldn't my personal "discount" on Gold for example be based on the Total price of the items I don't have already and the total price logos lists those for? You list Gold as $11,199.30 list price, and Logos sells for $950 right now. So for me, shouldn't I use the personal listed cost for items in the package (based on clicking "Hide owned books", it shows at the bottom the total LIST price for the new to me books in Gold: $3,470 then based on Dynamic price for me $241 I'd get 93% discount for Gold. I know you said not to use the dynamic price but isn't it correct if we use dynamic price based on the new to me total price across the board for comparison? So if I did the Dynamic vs new to me percentage for the remaining packages and just compared those to each other would that work?
If you agree this is correct my follow up is....using this method Platinum discount for me is 93.27% while the gold is just 93.05% silver is 94.16%. So, if Platinum were my goal should I first get silver then hop right on my Platinum payment plan (since my custom gold discount is lower than my platinum)?
I have doubt so I'm asking. Thanks again!
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Does anyone know how to delete posts?
I tried to delete my long post above answering about Mess.J. and Heb. roots but I can't. I'm concerned it may be offensive to some from other traditions. If anyone knows how we can delete our own posts please tell me or if an admin sees this please help.
I tried by reporting it as abuse and offering an explanation that it's my own post I want taken down.
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Look under "more" in the upper right of the post. There is a limited time that this option is available. Yeah, you did overdo it a bit on Luther for an ecumenical site.
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There's a two-hour window for editing posts, but I can't remember if that also affects whether you can delete a post or not.
Since you already reported it, you might want to wait until an admin is online and handles it (probably during working hours at FL).
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Jeremiah said:
But wouldn't my personal "discount" on Gold for example be based on the Total price of the items I don't have already and the total price logos lists those for?
Yes.
If you own 60% of the value of Gold, then you would expect a 60% discount. (Three or four years ago, Faithlife made a tweak in dynamic pricing which meant the maths isn't quite that straightforward. But it's near enough not to make a difference.) Because both the value of Gold and the price your pay drop by the same amount, that means the ratio between its value and cost would remain unchanged.
You're rightly observing that judging by the table on the product page, this doesn't seem to be the case. That's usually because the table isn't often slightly accurate. This can happen for a variety of reasons but is usually to do with pricing difference between buying as individual volumes and small collections. For example, when I look at Verbum Academico, it tells me the total value of books sold separately is $3,224.48, and they're asking for $275.25, a discount of 91.46%. If I look at the page when I'm not logged in, I get a discount of 91.8%.
It's not 100% clear why this discrepancy takes place. I suspect it's due to the small number of resources that displays a zero value to the user because they cannot be purchased, but are actually assigned a value in the backend that is used to calculating dynamic pricing. The zero value introduces a very slight error in the original calculation, which is then corrected if you own the resource in question and it's removed from the calculations. However, that's guesswork on my part.
If I'm right, there's no easy way of knowing which calculation will be more accurate. In theory, it should be the one that has the smallest percentage of zero-value products that aren't really zero value (a few, such as the Lexham Bible Dictionary, really are zero-value). So if the standard package has 20 zero value products out of 200, and your dynamic pricing has 5 zero-value products out of 100, then calculating the ratio based on your dynamic pricing is likely to be slightly more accurate. But we're in the realm of speculation now.
In your place, having done the calculations, I'd be inclined to buy in the order that you've calculated. However, if you do that, you'll never know! If you want your curiosity to be satisfied, the only way to do it is to buy Silver, then Gold, then Platinum, and watch carefully what the price drop on Platinum is. If the drop on Platinum is significantly less what you've spent on Gold, you could always ask for a refund. If it's only slightly less, it will be money well-spent in satisfying your curiosity (and mine)! And if the price drop is more than you've spent, you've both saved money and answered your own question. What have you got to lose ;-)?
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Jeremiah said:
Does anyone know how to delete posts?
I tried to delete my long post above answering about Mess.J. and Heb. roots but I can't. I'm concerned it may be offensive to some from other traditions. If anyone knows how we can delete our own posts please tell me or if an admin sees this please help.
I tried by reporting it as abuse and offering an explanation that it's my own post I want taken down.
I didn't find it offensive at all and found it quite helpful. It is a shame you took it down but I'm sure others might feel differently as it seems everyone gets offended about something in today's times. Glad I read it before you took it down. Thank you for explaining those 3 different groups.
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Mattillo said:
I didn't find it offensive at all and found it quite helpful.
I read it and found it useful, but I think the tone and the hard division between Messianic Jews and Hebrew Christians might have offended some. I didn't ask for it to be taken down, but I'm glad Jeremiah thought better of it. That said, there's certainly still room for a similar post from a more neutral perspective.
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