The Next Chapter in the EEC
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Kiyah said:
Faithlife should totally give people who are tired of waiting around
Every series I have preordered has taken at least twice as long as originally projected, one converted to from 50 to ongoing and it now over 100 volumes; one realized that one volume (in the middle of the series) would never be done and deleted it from the series . . . I've just subscribed to a new series and have 3 volumes in the time originally estimated ... all reprints so maybe this one will stay on schedule. You can join me in a series of catechisms if you like to share the anticipation.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I have really enjoyed the EEC thus far but like others just wish communication was better but at the same time I wonder if you would get that from another publisher. They did give EEC owners that Jeremiah volume for free so there is that but at the same time they make odd choices like not using the Jeremiah volume or canning James instead of revising it.
Let’s hope we will get an update someday though like the above it would be nice if the cover art was at least updated
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Not sure if the information here: https://lexhampress.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary Is correct or not, but assuming it is, then Joshua and 1&2 Chronicles are in review. Hopefully that means they should be coming relatively soon (hopefully early 2022?). Again, not sure if the information on that page is up to date or not.
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Jacob Sowles said:
Not sure if the information here: https://lexhampress.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary Is correct or not
Being upfront, I didn't subscribe. But looking at Jacob's page, looks like they only got the usual 'easy ones'. I'm surprised. I'm wondering what the appeal is (vs the other conservative commentaries). The sell-page says authors can go wild (digital; no limits). But I'd assume they'll need to go hardcopy to amortize their investment over time.
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They do have hardcover copies available. The appeal for the series is that the volumes that have been published are very good (at least all the ones that I have read have been, I would consider it my favorite commentary series). The issue is just that they are taking a while to produce0
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Faithlife - Can we please get an update on the series?
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Just to make things a little simpler to see where we are at, this is what the Logo's website shows:
What's available now:
Philemon (2011)
Ezra & Nehemiah (2011)
Lamentations (2011)
1, 2, & 3 John (2012)
Exodus (2012)
Esther (2013)
Song of Songs (2013)
1&2 Samuel (2015)
Ephesians (2015)
Jude (2015)
Philippians (2017)
Amos, Jonah, & Micah (2018)
Daniel (2020)
Forthcoming:
Publication Status: In Review with Series Editors
Joshua
1 & 2 Chronicles
Publication Status: In Writing
Leviticus
Ecclesiastes
Galatians
Publication Status: No Information
Genesis
Deuteronomy
Judges
Ruth
1 & 2 Kings
Job
Psalms
Proverbs
Isaiah
Ezekiel
Nahum, Habakkuk, & Zephaniah
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Acts
Romans
1 Corinthians
Colossians
1 & 2 Thessalonians
1 & 2 Timothy, Titus
Hebrews
James
1 Peter
2 Peter
Revelation
Publication Status: No Author Assigned
Numbers
Ruth
Jeremiah
Hosea, Joel, & Obadiah
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
2 Corinthians
I hope this post helps.
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Hello all,
I've got an update on a few volumes from our academic editor:
[quote]On the NT side, both Michael Burer (Galatians) and Buist Fanning (Hebrews) are close to submitting manuscripts. On the OT side, Richard Averbeck is supposed to submit his manuscript for Leviticus this fall. Additionally the OT editors are close to completing a review of both John Oswalt’s 1–2 Kings and Abner Chou’s Deuteronomy. That's in addition to Joshua and 1 & 2 Chronicles which were already in review with the OT editors.
All of these volumes still have to go through author revision and editorial review, and since that process is unique to each volume the timeline is difficult to predict. It's possible some of these volumes will be on the publication schedule for the second half of 2022. Lexham and the series editors are working diligently to get the manuscripts in great condition and out into the world.
Thanks for your continued patience and support for the series.
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Jake - Thanks for the update. [:)]
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I know absolutely nothing about publishing. So, I have a curiosity question about the process. After the author has completed their commentary and submitted it, what are the series editors doing when they review the author's work?
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Thank you for the update!
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Ronald Quick said:
what are the series editors doing when they review the author's work?
Don't, don't, stop .... sorry I can't control myself [:$] What do editors do? They edit [:D] Okay, my sister was a proof-reader for an educational software firm but she also did some editing - in her case she was looking primarily for unwanted ambiguity as well as spelling, punctuation, grammatical errors, incorrect choice of words ... anything that made the software appear unprofessional, inaccurate, confusing, beyond the grasp of the intended audience. Full-fledged editors go beyond her work to insure a smooth flow of text, that something was actually said before it was referred back to, that the style book of the company is adhered to ....
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Ronald Quick said:
what are the series editors doing when they review the author's work?
MJ. Smith said:In her case she was looking primarily for unwanted ambiguity as well as spelling, punctuation, grammatical errors, incorrect choice of words ... anything that made the software appear unprofessional, inaccurate, confusing, beyond the grasp of the intended audience. Full-fledged editors go beyond her work to insure a smooth flow of text, that something was actually said before it was referred back to, that the style book of the company is adhered to ....
MJ is essentially describing copyediting and proofing, the final two steps of the editorial process. For these volumes in the EEC, those two steps occur after the series editors perform their review and go though their revision process with the author. The series editors are ensuring all the critical issues are covered by the author in their manuscript -- in short, making sure everything is covered correctly and properly to fulfill the scope of the series. Once they're finished with their review and the author has had a chance to address any concerns, then the manuscript is sent to Lexham. At this point, the "meat" of the volume is finalized and all those details MJ referenced above are worked through in the final steps of the editorial process.
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That makes sense. Thanks.
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Thanks Jake and MJ for explaining the why and when of the process.
Jake Mailhot (Faithlife) said:Ronald Quick said:what are the series editors doing when they review the author's work?
MJ. Smith said:In her case she was looking primarily for unwanted ambiguity as well as spelling, punctuation, grammatical errors, incorrect choice of words ... anything that made the software appear unprofessional, inaccurate, confusing, beyond the grasp of the intended audience. Full-fledged editors go beyond her work to insure a smooth flow of text, that something was actually said before it was referred back to, that the style book of the company is adhered to ....
MJ is essentially describing copyediting and proofing, the final two steps of the editorial process. For these volumes in the EEC, those two steps occur after the series editors perform their review and go though their revision process with the author. The series editors are ensuring all the critical issues are covered by the author in their manuscript -- in short, making sure everything is covered correctly and properly to fulfill the scope of the series. Once they're finished with their review and the author has had a chance to address any concerns, then the manuscript is sent to Lexham. At this point, the "meat" of the volume is finalized and all those details MJ referenced above are worked through in the final steps of the editorial process.
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After being a customer for more than 10 years, I am now thinking of suing Faithlife over the EEC. Is anyone else?
I appreciate(d) the released volumes and would like to see the set completed. I also understand that there may be delays in publishing. However, some of the outstanding volumes were due in 2013 and they still haven't arrived 8 years later. Faithlife have released EEC commentary on around a sixth of the verses in the bible after 10 years and have no publicly available plan for releasing other volumes.
I have suggested that they give me temporary access to a comparable set until they can release the EEC volumes or swapping for another (cheaper) commentary set. Instead they have unilaterally given me a refund of the money I paid more than 10 years ago and a small credit. So I now don't even have the released commentaries and it will cost me money just to get back to where I was before I had the temerity to ask for help.
I have recommended Logos to countless friends and colleagues over the last 10 years (despite the EEC debacle). I don't see how I can recommend Faithlife now.
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David Duckitt said:
After being a customer for more than 10 years, I am now thinking of suing Faithlife over the EEC. Is anyone else?
No. From your description, I think I'll check out Logos for some more great buys!
- They refunded you, plus. I'm surprised. I thought they wouldn't..
- Before FL took EEC on, it was in trouble. Customer-investors were on a rescue mission. The mission seems to be fraying.
- The book business, and Christian market have changed drastically. 'They say' the primary EEC market is 10-15 years from retirement.
In summary, you should be enjoying your NIC series (guessing). But yes, FL's communication talents are abysmal.
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I’m not a lawyer so I cannot comment on that but it sounds like they tried to help.
As previously stated, they are terrible with communication. I got hopeful when they changed editors that communication would get better but it hasn’t. A quarterly update isn’t too much to ask.
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On what grounds? You have already received a remedy from them that includes a release from the contract you had with them.
Personally I would not take legal action against them over EEC. Seeking to harm the company and as a result potentially it’s customers is not something I want to do.
David Duckitt said:After being a customer for more than 10 years, I am now thinking of suing Faithlife over the EEC. Is anyone else?
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“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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EEC is off my buy list- sold the set I had previously purchased several years back when it was first on pre-pub, why you ask- I'll be dead before I get them all- so took the $$ and ran with it.
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Thanks for your reply. I didn't ask for a refund - I expressly said that I didn't want one. I was looking for help getting use of an equivalent commentary series as they hadn't been able to deliver on their promises. I am sure I would enjoy the NIC (or something similar) if I had it. That was the whole point of me "reaching out" to FL in the first place. Incidentally, not once in my communications with them have FL offered any explanation for the delay or indication of when any further volumes will be available.
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Thanks for your reply. I had fully performed my side of the contract when I paid them 10 years ago. Sadly, FL have not been able to do the same. When I first contacted them I said I didn't want to cause them harm. I didn't want to get money from them. I just wanted them to help me get use of an equivalent complete commentary set. The remedy they have imposed doesn't even put me back in the position I was in 10 years ago, let alone where I would have been now if they had been good to their word. More importantly, I still don't have access to such a commentary set.
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David Duckitt said:
Thanks for your reply. I had fully performed my side of the contract when I paid them 10 years ago. Sadly, FL have not been able to do the same. When I first contacted them I said I didn't want to cause them harm. I didn't want to get money from them. I just wanted them to help me get use of an equivalent complete commentary set. The remedy they have imposed doesn't even put me back in the position I was in 10 years ago, let alone where I would have been now if they had been good to their word. More importantly, I still don't have access to such a commentary set.
When I signed up for EEC to me it was an investment in a project. So to me I was knowingly taking a risk on the project that already had a troubled start. FL did not hide that fact. And as a project I was also fully aware of the risk of it not meeting projected dates.
Am I disappointed with how things have turned out? Yes
Am I disappointed with FL and Bob Pritchett with their lack of communication on this project ? Yes
So I do get and respect your disappointment, feeling you have been left short changed by FL.
But entering into the investment knowing the risks I personally would not think of taking legal action. And so my response to your question.
In addition to asking on the forums what people think, you need to search your heart and pray about what the right thing is for you to do.
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DIsciple II said:
Am I disappointed with FL and Bob Pritchett with their lack of communication on this project ? Yes
Agreed. But I'd suspect this whole project was never 'solid' .... meaning, commitments from busy professors were likely 'will try', and a long list of intervening events. The WBC Daniel update, to me, spoke volumes on the problem of 'one more commentary' ... one more 'yet again'.
I'm not tremendously familiar with Baylor Handbooks, but the problem looks similar (without the customer full-on initial buy ... I wonder what that was about ... seems guaranteed fail).
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I am glad that they opened the series up to non subscribers. And I understand how that upset subscribers.
My question on that change is did they need more funds to finance the set?
My comment is that the volume on Revelation will not be released until it is ancient history.
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Jake Mailhot (Faithlife) said:
Hello all,
I've got an update on a few volumes from our academic editor:
[quote]On the NT side, both Michael Burer (Galatians) and Buist Fanning (Hebrews) are close to submitting manuscripts. On the OT side, Richard Averbeck is supposed to submit his manuscript for Leviticus this fall. Additionally the OT editors are close to completing a review of both John Oswalt’s 1–2 Kings and Abner Chou’s Deuteronomy. That's in addition to Joshua and 1 & 2 Chronicles which were already in review with the OT editors.
All of these volumes still have to go through author revision and editorial review, and since that process is unique to each volume the timeline is difficult to predict. It's possible some of these volumes will be on the publication schedule for the second half of 2022. Lexham and the series editors are working diligently to get the manuscripts in great condition and out into the world.
Thanks for your continued patience and support for the series.
Just thought I would check for an end of 2021 update to the EEC. Thx!
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Jake Mailhot (Faithlife) said:
Hello all,
I've got an update on a few volumes from our academic editor:
[quote]On the NT side, both Michael Burer (Galatians) and Buist Fanning (Hebrews) are close to submitting manuscripts. On the OT side, Richard Averbeck is supposed to submit his manuscript for Leviticus this fall. Additionally the OT editors are close to completing a review of both John Oswalt’s 1–2 Kings and Abner Chou’s Deuteronomy. That's in addition to Joshua and 1 & 2 Chronicles which were already in review with the OT editors.
All of these volumes still have to go through author revision and editorial review, and since that process is unique to each volume the timeline is difficult to predict. It's possible some of these volumes will be on the publication schedule for the second half of 2022. Lexham and the series editors are working diligently to get the manuscripts in great condition and out into the world.
Thanks for your continued patience and support for the series.
Hi Jake,
We're well into the second-half of 2022. What should we expect to see and when, please?
Thank you,
Ben Headrick
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Any updates?
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Please respond with a message to Hebrews in the EEC series to appear in 2022. I am writing my thesis and need this volume badly. Please tell me when it REALLY comes out???????????????????
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