BUG: Resource changed to erase the primary purpose for owning it?
What is wrong with these two screen shots?
I have been slowly and carefully building up my library for alternative morphologies in order to look at how one's morphological framework affects one's interpretation/translation. So today, I add my last known "missing" morphology, go to compare it to Robinson only to discover that the Robinson morphology has been removed from a resource that's main purpose for existing is the Robinson morphology..
Yes, there had been some warnings of the morphology going down in FL priority but it never occurred to me that resources built around it would actually be changed - essentially the only purpose for owning the resource being removed from the resource. I don't mind additional morphologies being added to a resource but I do object strongly to a feature of the actual resource being removed.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I have been slowly and carefully building up my library for alternative morphologies in order to look at how one's morphological framework affects one's interpretation/translation. So today, I add my last known "missing" morphology, go to compare it to Robinson only to discover that the Robinson morphology has been removed from a resource that's main purpose for existing is the Robinson morphology..
Logos wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/Morphology_Codes has note about Logos 5 Robinson Greek Morphology resources being migrated to Logos Greek Morphology (Robinson identified 2nd Aorist and Indeclinable type)
Logos 4 > Morph Search on TR1894 includes Faithlife change on 13 Mar 2012
Louis St. Hilaire said:We've decided to change the morphology in this and other resources using Robinson to Logos. The work is complete and the update will be released shortly.
Room4more said:Is this going to affect all w/Robinson Morphology?
Yes. The other resources affected are:
- Wescott and Hort Greek New Testament (1881) with Morphology [WH1881MR]
- Stephen's Textus Receptus (1550) with Morphology [TR1550MR]
- The Interlinear Translation of the Greek New Testament (Newberry Interlinear) [TR1550INT]
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Logos wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/Morphology_Codes has note about Logos 5 Robinson Greek Morphology resources being migrated to Logos Greek Morphology (Robinson identified 2nd Aorist and Indeclinable type)
This is precisely what I am complaining about - don't rub it in [;)] The point is that it makes sense for resources that Logos coded with Robinson but not for resources that in dead-tree format use Robinson's. Especially when it is sold as Robinson's. I believe that Elzevir Textus Receptus (1624) with Morphology (TR) is the only volume for which this is true.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I believe that Elzevir Textus Receptus (1624) with Morphology (TR) is the only volume for which this is true.
A Number of Logos.com product pages should have been updated years ago with change to Logos Greek Morphology instead of Robinson's => https://www.logos.com/search?filters=author-11461_Author&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=all
Westcott and Hort Greek New Testament (1881) with Morphology
The Interlinear Literal Translation of the Greek (Newberry Interlinear)
Stephen's Textus Receptus (1550) with Morphology (STV-TR)
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As KS4J notes, it was years ago that we migrated the morphology from what Robinson specified to the Logos Morphology scheme.
This was long enough ago that I don't remember all of the issues involved. IIRC, there were some issues with support of the Robinson Morphology the way it was implemented (having to do with variable two-letter codes, I think?). We also wanted to support seamless morphology searching across different editions of the NT (and other Greek texts) and the way to do that was to convert the morphology to the Logos morphology for the resources where that was possible.
My perspective is different from MJ; I don't think the primary or "only" reason for the text is the morphology; the primary reason for the text is to witness the edition of the text.
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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:
My perspective is different from MJ; I don't think the primary or "only" reason for the text is the morphology; the primary reason for the text is to witness the edition of the text.
If I read Greek I might have a different opinion but I don't. I bought it to compare morphologies. It is advertised as having the Robinson morphology. It's metadata says it has the Robinson morphology. Robinson is a missing link to the ubiquitous Logos morphology which lacks documentation of its theoretical background.
My goal with Greek texts is to understand the interpretative arguments which I approach from historical linguistics/Proto-Indo-European perspectives.Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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