Logos need to do something about Logos
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David Medina said:
The reason many of you feel Logos is adequate may be that you have been using it for a long time you have gotten used to it and just learned to live with it. But if you were to compare Logos to Accordance you will see how inefficcient and slow Logos really is.
Not really.
On another thread just today, a morph search for verbal forms took .63 seconds to find more than 25,000 instances (yes, an SSD). Of course, getting the software to just show the first few results took a few excruciating minutes ... I hesitated to think about a page-worth. I switched over to BW but they didn't have the resource. Accordance is really the only choice, when you've got real work to do.
I notice it only took 2 forum pages to move from Logos programming inefficiencies to 'it's the user's fault'. Not too shabby, huh? Logosians are good.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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David Medina said:
But if you were to compare Logos to Accordance you will see how inefficcient and slow Logos really is.
I know nothing about the internal development cycle of Accordance. I do know that Logos and Accordance started in very different cultures - PC vs. Apple ... but Apple lost my interest with the first Mac for which they promised and never delivered a true compiler rather than interpreter. When I started with Logos both Logos and Accordance were single platform applications so the choice between them was simple. Rather the choice was between Logos and several other vendors (some now defunct) -- I chose Logos because of its support of a broader canon (Anyone remember how long the delay was between the promise and the delivery of the Catholic version?). For my uses efficiency and speed are not the highest priority - resources and linkage are. The result is that I have considerably more invested than you and that upon my death or senility some Dominican professor or seminarian will have a very adequate library. Even in my supporting software - timelines, concept mapping, argument mapping, ... - I make trade off; in these it is often cost very speed and features. So yes, I get impatient waiting for drop-downs to load, annoyed and short-tempered at sloppy production control on resources and their tagging.... but I also know that I made my bed so I have to lie in it, so to speak. And I know that where it matters most to me, Faithlife listens even when they don't provide the answer I want. So continue to push for the performance that is important to you, encourage others to join you ... but be realistic about the investment of resources you are asking FL to make.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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David Medina said:
I am sorry but programs are not designed for SSD or HDD. It does not work like that.
Hi David,
Logos on HDD is painfully slow and I do not think that FL intends to change that since most new computers have SSD, however, I could be wrong. That said, I do not know how to advise you. I wish I had some fix for you, but the problem is truly that Logos does not run well on computers with HDD.
I understand the investment we all have in our libraries and changing software is often not a viable option. I doubt you can get a refund... you may be able to sell it as there is a Facebook page out there somewhere... and Accordance has some discounts for products you have a license for in another program to assist in transitioning to their product.
Sorry if you feel that your concerns have not been constructively addressed.
Please continue to make your concerns known, perhaps someone from FL can address them. I too would like Logos to fix this as speed continues to be probably the number one complaint from customers.
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David Medina said:
I am sorry but programs are not designed for SSD or HDD. It does not work like that.
While you're right that a program isn't designed for a type of storage device, it's also important not to overlook that programs which read and write large amounts of data are heavily dependent on (and can be I/O bound by) the speed of the storage device.
HDs have much worse (~100x) access times, mostly due to seek time and rotational latency. SDDs tend to provide (~4x) higher transfer speed, mostly due to better read/write performance and interface bandwidth.
The Logos recommended system requirements point out this very thing (and later mention "lightning fast" SSD as a better speed choice over slower HD):
[quote]However, when constantly reading and writing large amounts of data, like a large Logos library, hard drive speed can become a major bottleneck in some systems.
Is Logos slow? It certainly can be. Does it run on an HD? Yes, but it will clearly perform better on an SSD. (I understand, however, that upgrading is not an option.)
David Medina said:Logos want to be so feature rich that overrides any concern for speed
To be fair, I don't believe that the developers ever deliberately sacrifice performance for features.
David Medina said:I just wants them to finally fix this.
We live in an imperfect world. If FL ever delivered a major new release that only offered better performance but no new features, some percentage of the customers will complain that they're unnecessarily paying for something that shouldn't have cost them anything.
I think that the developers do the best they can with the time they're given to try to deliver as many of the goals they hope to achieve (which include a mix of improved performance and functionality).
While it's unfortunately easy for us to be backseat developers, I don't think we could do better than them, and we probably shouldn't judge whether they're spending too much time on one thing at the expense of another. However, If L8 or L7 or L9 doesn't work the way we want(ed) it to, there's always the 30-day refund policy.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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David Medina said:
I will not risk doing the update myself. If it breaks I cannot longer make a living.
Understand risk plus remember a professional lesson learned years ago to have workable fall back option when practical for going forward.
For external SSD, need two items: an internal SSD and USB adapter (cable OR enclosure)
$ 92.99 for 1 TB SSD => https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-Performance-Internal-SP001TBSS3A55S25/dp/B07B4G19X3 (if HD is larger than the 1 TB standard HD, then recommend getting a larger SSD: e.g. $ 199.99 for 2 TB, $ 479.99 for 4 TB)
- $ 7.99 for USB Sata adapter cable => https://www.amazon.com/Drive-Adapter-Cable-Support-Black/dp/B07S9CKV7X
- OR
- $ 8.99 for USB drive enclosure => https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Tool-free-Enclosure-Optimized-EC-UASP/dp/B00OJ3UJ2S
Connect SSD to USB adapter
Connect USB to iMac
Install macOS to external SSD, which includes using Apple's Migration Assistant to copy your Applications and Files.
When powering up iMac, press and hold option key then press power button to turn on iMac. Keep holding option key down until Mac shows bootable choices: Release option key then click desired choice for startup: internal HD OR external SSD
If external SSD does not work, can restart iMac and switch back to internal HD (provided something bad has not happened to internal HD). Thankfully have installed macOS to external disks many times, which was later followed by booting up internal disk.
David Medina said:Do you or anyone know how do you delete visual filters?
In Logos/Verbum application, can use Docs to choose Visual Filters. Right Click on a Visual Filter has Delete choice:
Documents web site has Actions: Publish/Withdraw/Duplicate/Delete Visual Filters (and other documents) => https://documents.logos.com/
David Medina said:The reason many of you feel Logos is adequate may be that you have been using it for a long time you have gotten used to it and just learned to live with it. But if you were to compare Logos to Accordance you will see how inefficcient and slow Logos really is.
Years ago Accordance could find a Greek word, but could not combine search results of Greek Morphology aspects to enable "seeing" nuanced range of verbal expression (how verbs were used that is missing from range of verbal word meaning). For example, Philippians 4:4 translations often have "Rejoice" for a Greek imperative (command) verb. Another translation is: "Be Rejoicing in The Lord always" (to express present tense continual action with command to Be Rejoicing while remembering Paul was in prison at the time so Rejoicing choice does not depend on circumstances). My forum nickname "Keep Smiling 4 Jesus
" is my variation of Philippians 4:4 and reminder to keep Rejoicing in The Lord always [:D] Thankful for Logos Greek Morphology visual filters created using Logos 4 on Mac & Windows ~2011 being usable today (with speed improvement).Apologies for not looking at Accordance nor their user forum for years (so currently do not know their search capabilities). My older opinion of user forums was Logos being more active and responsive. Thankful for many friendly forum & Faithlife discussions: have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn [:D]
Keep Smiling [:)]
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MJ. Smith said:
And I know that where it matters most to me, Faithlife listens even when they don't provide the answer I want.
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Thanks for pointing that out, MJ!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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David Medina said:
I am sorry but programs are not designed for SSD or HDD. It does not work like that.
As programs continue to process more and more data, the faster methods of storage will be assumed, and recommended, eventually reaching the point where somebody will be surprised to learn the older medium is still being used. That's not only the case with Logos.
WIN 11 i7 9750H, RTX 2060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD | iPad Air 3
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Sean said:
the chorus: "Just get an SSD!"
Actually, it would be good if FaithLife staff could chime in on this. Is this the official response to performance complaints? From all the posts by users with stars by their names, you'd think so. If we're not going to get any software fixes but only be advised to buy more hardware, it'd be good to know so we can save a lot of time and typing.
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Sean said:
Actually, it would be good if FaithLife staff could chime in on this. Is this the official response to performance complaints?
I think if the requirements ever did change, they’d remove HD (as the slower yet still functional) option.
PetahChristian said:The Logos recommended system requirements point out this very thing (and later mention "lightning fast" SSD as a better speed choice over slower HD):
[quote]However, when constantly reading and writing large amounts of data, like a large Logos library, hard drive speed can become a major bottleneck in some systems.
I’m running Logos on an internal HD and the only slowdown I notice is how painfully long it takes for a drop down to populate. Otherwise, it seems to run fine for me (but my system is a relatively recent high-end build from last summer). Others’ HD experience may vary.
(I didn’t realize how much space Windows used. I had a 256 Gb SSD on my Mac and could fit macOS and Logos there, but apparently should have gotten a 512 Gb SSD for Windows.)
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Sean said:Sean said:
the chorus: "Just get an SSD!"
Actually, it would be good if FaithLife staff could chime in on this. Is this the official response to performance complaints? From all the posts by users with stars by their names, you'd think so.
I agree, and no it is not official. Just my observation and opinion. I think I even stated "I could be wrong."
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Let's look at it from another angle.
David Medina said:I was trying to see what Hebrew word was used in Micah 6:8 for "justice" and nowhere I could find the word "Mishpat" was the one used.
The available resources may be a factor here. On my computer, I immediately get mishpat on mouse-over:
On right-click, I immediately get a read-out of relevant entries:
David Medina said:
Logos 8 is running on an iMac that is no slacker. While it is a 2013 model it has 24GB of memory, plenty HD space, and a decent processor.
I am no pastor and I make my living as a filmmaker and photographer. What I cannot understand if my iMac is enough to run very demanding programs like Photoshop, Capture One, Motion, and Final Cut Pro X...
The other applications David names would grind to a halt on an I/O bottleneck. Consequently they have all been written to aggressively populate memory. David's machine has 24GB. That is quite a lot of memory.
If Logos can be automatically or manually set to aggressively populate memory (Large Memory Caching as a Program Setting?) I am sure even with a physical HDD the lags will be minimized.0 -
David et als,
I run Mc 2014 with 128GB SSD and current system software. I run Both Anglican and Standard Platinum plus some others. Space is getting cramped.
I did the following:
1) Delete (save off my computer) all information I don't regularly use. This being all the courses, Targums and commentaries that I do not use. This can be done easily, and they can also be downloaded easily. By taking them off your machine, they are still on the servers at Logos. This means I still have access to the information if and when I need it. To do this open your library, at the left of your screen for a resource say the NIV Bible, you will see a circle with three dots beside it. Click on these dots, one of the options is remove from device, click this and the resource is removed but can be redownloaded again by hitting the three dots and choosing the alternative you want.
2) Invest in an accessory drive, transfer all my docs, pdf, spreadsheets that I am not using onto it. Only leave the bare minimum on my machine that I have to use.
3) I also run the A companies software, this is for my languages. Any resources that are duplicated I tend to save off my main machine.
4) I don't use photoshop, because of price; and even if I did would not use it at the same time as Logos or Accordance. All these eat up memory, especially if you edit big files.
5) Use a memory clearing program like Washing Machine or other program to regularly clean up your machine.
I have no problems but need a bigger Mac within a year or two as I want to do photo editing, but not at the same time as Logos stuff. Although not ordained, I do occasional preaching and pastoral work.
I don't have a problem doing by following the above.
Hope this is helpful
Leaving you in God's Care and Grace
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Phil Tuften said:
I run Mc 2014 with 128GB SSD and current system software. I run Both Anglican and Standard Platinum plus some others. Space is getting cramped.
2014 Mac? Check this out.
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It looks like Logos have updated their recommended system spec since last I looked. Now it includes a 512GB NVMe SSD with a minimum of 60GB free space. https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007554992-Recommended-Hardware-and-Software
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I know that when I got my replacement laptop (I used to have a 2013 rMBP With 8gb memory and a SSD)), I used their recommended as my minimum because I wanted to avoid any slowdowns. My current machine runs Logos much better.
You mentioned having a Mac earlier in this thread. One thing I’ve noticed from my own experience is that the Apple cost for something is excessive compared with the PC cost. So that’s why I went back to PC, even though I’d have been happy staying with Mac.
WIN 11 i7 9750H, RTX 2060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD | iPad Air 3
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David Wanat said:
You mentioned having a Mac earlier in this thread. One thing I’ve noticed from my own experience is that the Apple cost for something is excessive compared with the PC cost. So that’s why I went back to PC, even though I’d have been happy staying with Mac.
Years ago remember comparable hardware in a Dell laptop being about half the price of a MacBook Pro. Today, PC still has more hardware configuration choices. For grins, looked for an Intel Core i9 laptop with 4K UHD display for comparison with 16" MacBook Pro.
ASUS ZenBook Pro 15 Laptop with Innovative Screenpad, 15.6” UHD 4K Touch, Intel Core i9-8950HK, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, 16GB DDR4 RAM, 512GB PCIe SSD, Backlit KB, Windows 10 Pro, UX580GE-XB74T => https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B07CXW742M is $ 1,999 used & $ 2,699 new
Amazon renewed Apple MacBook Pro, 2019 Model, 15-inch, Intel core i9 Processor, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Storage, MV912LL/A - Space Gray => https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B083Z22L3H is $ 1,978 that costs less than $ 2,289 Apple Refurbished => https://www.apple.com/shop/product/G0XZVLL/A/Refurbished-16-inch-MacBook-Pro-24GHz-8-core-Intel-Core-i9-with-Retina-display-Space-Gray whose new price of $ 2,699 (with 9th Generation Intel Core i9 while ASUS ZenBook Pro 15 laptop is 8th Generation Intel Core i9) Do like ASUS having a touch screen that Apple does not have.
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Apple Refurbished 16-inch MacBook Pro 2.3GHz 8-core Intel Core i9 with Retina display- Space Gray 32 GB Ram, 1 TB NVMe SSD => https://www.apple.com/shop/product/G0Y07LL/A/Refurbished-16-inch-MacBook-Pro-23GHz-8-core-Intel-Core-i9-with-Retina-display-Space-Gray is $ 2,719 with New being $ 3,199 that is 6.6 % more than MSI GE75 Raider 10SGS-222 (MSI has 10th Generation Intel Core i9 while Apple has 9th Generation Intel Core i9, but 16" MacBook Pro screen is 3072x1900 retina display while MSI 17.3" is 1920x1080)
MSI Creator 17 A10SFS-254 (i7-10875H, 32GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, RTX2070 Super 8GB, 17.3" 4K UHD HDR1000 Mini LED, Windows 10 Pro) Creative Professional Laptop => https://www.amazon.com/Creator-17-A10SFS-254-i7-10875H-Professional/dp/B086PPVTS1 is $ 2,999 with retina display of 3840x2160 (in stock estimate is July 31, 2020)
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While looking for an Intel Core i9, noticed Dell XPS 15 laptop 15.6", 4K UHD InfinityEdge Touch, 9th Gen Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB GDDR5, 1TB SSD storage, 16GB RAM, XPS7590-7565SLV-PUS => https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Touch-Intel-NVIDIA-GeForce/dp/B07T4HGF79 for $1,899 that has a slightly scratched used one for $ 1,455.07 (personal preference is 17.3" display that is 11 % larger than 15.6" so everything is enlarged 11%, which is a bit easier to read using older eyes).
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For another grin, looked for an all-in-one computer having an Intel Core i9 to compare with 2019 model 27" iMac 5K
Lenovo IdeaCentre AIO 27" Touch 2TB SSD 32GB RAM Extreme (Intel Core i9-9900K CPU Turbo Boost to 5.00GHz, 32 GB RAM, 2 TB SSD, 27" QHD Touchscreen, Win 10) Desktop All in One PC Computer A540-27ICB => https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-IdeaCentre-i9-9900K-Touchscreen-A540-27ICB/dp/B087WKRMK3 is $ 2,899 with resolution of 2560x1440 that is one/4th of Apple's 5120x2880 retina display
New 27" iMac 5K build to order with 3.6 GHz Intel Core i9-9900K with 32GB Ram, 2 TB SSD is $ 3,999 (so refurbished would be $ 3,399). Ram in 27" iMac has four slots that customer can easily change (up to 128 GB Ram), which is noticeably less expensive than Apple's Ram.
New OptiPlex 7770 All-in-One 27" 4K UHD 3840x2170 Non-Touch Display A Perfect Productivity Desktop 9th Gen i9-9900 up to 4.9GHz GTX 1050 Wireless Keyboard & Mouse (2TB SSD|32GB RAM|Win 10 PRO) => https://www.amazon.com/OptiPlex-7770-All-One-Desktop/dp/B07VMTSBY1 is $ 3,657.77 (4K resolution is 3840x2170 that has less pixels compared to Apple's 5120x2880 retina)
Refurbished 2019 iMac 27" 5K having 3.6 GHz Intel Core i9 with 8 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, & Radeon Pro 580x for $ 2,549 => https://www.apple.com/shop/product/GMVTBLL/A/Refurbished-27-inch-iMac-37GHz-6-core-Intel-Core-i5-with-Retina-5K-display
FYI: Geekbench Single Core CPU benchmark for 3.6 GHz Intel Core i9 being 1244 (#1) => https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks
HyperX Impact 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 CL16 SODIMM (Kit of 2) Laptop Memory HX426S16IBK2/64 => https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08492TQGQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00 is $ 287.99 (remove Apple Ram due to CL timing)
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Sean said:
What falls out of the conversation every time this is brought up: Logos is slow at EVERYTHING, even at tasks that should not be so demanding. Populating drop down lists from Tools takes FOREVER. Switching layouts almost always makes Windows hang for a bit--even if it's a small layout! These tasks don't (or, shouldn't) require "hundreds of files open with many simultaneous read & writes." Switching to the home page (the use of which I've totally abandoned with L8) shouldn't take a solid 30+ seconds.
Well, it's page 3, and the Logosians are now shopping for David's new computer. FL has helpfully put David's hardware in the inadaquate category. All that remains is for David to simply admit the software is fine .... it's David that's the problem. That be page 4. Go, Logosians, go!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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David Medina said:
My first thought was the information panel. Unfortunately I got tired of waiting for tho display anything.
I am not a Logo Power user. I am not a pastor nor a seminary student. I just want to use Logos to Study the Bible and do very basic searches for which I mostly use the Passage Guide.
I am not either a greek or hewrew student. I just do basic word studies for which I find the Word Study Guide pretty much useless. But that is probably me. Ys, I have taken seminars and they just tell ou what the feature is used for and that it is.
I think Logos is a very bloated app beyond and I do not have a large library way below platinum.
Questions.
If I do any of the following will it have any effect? Eliminating useless resources? Elimination collections?
Of course, I know that an SSD will help but that is pricesely my point. I should not have to depend from an SSD to have an app work decently. If that is a requirenment it should be plaster all over te website so we do not waste money buying an app that does not work properly in a normal compuer.
I feel your pain. I have been using Logos since 1997 and I am a Pastor, Professor of Theology and Greek, so I enjoy the original language features Logos has. I have a MacBook Pro with an SSD and I noticed that some of the features were causing the program to run slower than normal (after an update, of course), so I called customer support and was told to turn these features off, so I did and the program ran great.
Problem, to which I informed the representative, "why do I need to turn off features that Logos offers (some of which I have to pay for through Logos Connect) in order to get the program to work correctly? Yes, I agree, Logos needs to work on Logos. The sermon Editor is a great concept that I use but things could be faster and consistent.
The Canvas tool, is the glitter to which you refer. It needs to go away and the "brain power" that was used in creating that needed to be used to make the software faster. The Canvas tool, is glitchy and very difficult to use and pretty much worthless.
I have told Logos for years to fixed what you have instead of creating more features. Now, I know that they have to great new feature to keep up with Accordance, but also work on the speed, There is no need that Logos can run so good at times and then so bad at others and no need that Accordance runs so fast and Logos runs so much slower. If I did not have so much invested in Logos I, too, would have probably already switch. It is a great software, with great features and potential, but Logos needs to work on Logos.
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Denise said:
Well, it's page 3, and the Logosians are now shopping for David's new computer. FL has helpfully put David's hardware in the inadaquate category. All that remains is for David to simply admit the software is fine .... it's David that's the problem. That be page 4. Go, Logosians, go!
Denise, David is in no way the problem. It is just a bad hand he has been dealt. Just the facts...
Those that are advising are trying to work through other options since the one solution that really works for the OP currently and probably for the future does not exist. The OP has the right to vent and feel frustrated. I personally don't feel anyone is trying to shut the OP up. Maybe it is just perceptions... there is enough animosity in the world maybe I am just thinking the best of their intentions. And yours as well, you are really clever and witty and I mostly enjoy your posts.[:)]
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John Fidel said:
Denise, David is in no way the problem. It is just a bad hand he has been dealt. Just the facts...
Well, of course David's not the issue. We're going on over a decade of 'slow' now. Remember the autumn leaves falling in 2009, as 'slow' was introduced?
David is 'bad-hand' #432 (made that up ... I don't want to even guess how many pastors trying to concentrate on the word of God, are instead tinkering with Logos to see if it will go any faster).
But I notice you didn't mention Logos. That's on-target. We're past page 1.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I'm sorry you're having a poor experience with Logos. We regularly have to make hard choices about what we're going to do and not do and what we're going to optimize for. We tend to optimize for breadth: breadth of platforms, users, denominations, languages, library/content size and mediums, apps, etc.
- Platforms: Windows, Mac, the web, iOS/iPadOS, and Android
- Users: pastors, lay leaders, scholars, professors, students, and anyone looking for a serious tool for Bible study
- Denominations: evangelicals, Catholics, and Orthodox users of a variety of stripes
- Languages: English, Spanish, German, Korean, Portuguese, and Mandarin Chinese (Traditional and Simplified) speakers with French in the works and others on the roadmap
- Library/content size and mediums: books, video courses, audiobooks, media, etc.
- Apps: Logos, Verbum, Faithlife Ebooks, etc.
We believe that this optimization toward breadth allows us to best fulfill our vision to increase biblical literacy and accessibility for every Christian around the world.
But in order to achieve that breadth, we have to make some trade-offs. One of those trade-offs is that we optimize for SSDs over HDDs, for example. Logos 8 was much faster at indexing, but only for SSD users.
I'm sorry that Logos isn't meeting your needs well right now. We'll keep working to serve you and as many people as we can and consider the right trade-offs to make regarding older hardware, access to the internet, internet speed, etc.
You might have a better experience on the web app, where more of the performance heavy lifting happens on the server rather than on your local machine. We still intended to bring more of the desktop's capabilities there, while keeping a focus on leveraging the web for scale and performance in a way that we can't on desktop.
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Thanks for responding, Phil.
Just a suggestion: If Logos can be automatically or manually set to aggressively populate memory (Large Memory Caching as a Program Setting?) I am sure even with a physical HDD the lags will be minimized if RAM and CPU are up to the task.0 -
Lee said:
If Logos can be automatically or manually set to aggressively populate memory (Large Memory Caching as a Program Setting?)
You've mentioned this several times, but I haven't been able to find a good definition of what this might mean: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Large+Memory+Caching%22 doesn't seem to have relevant results. Can you provide a definition?
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Sorry, I made up the term. It just means a setting for Logos to aggressively populate memory, including loading substantial portions, even the entire index into RAM. It could be done automatically, or manually (opt-out, or opt-in).
I thought of this since David's machine already runs Photoshop and video NLE applications well. Disk I/O is his only bottleneck. Those applications often populate memory very aggressively. Example of fine-grain memory usage settings
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I went over my library which has over 3700 resources. Probably at least 3000 are not relevant for me and are taking space and probably lowering performance. So I have uninstalled a LOT of stuff that I know I won't use. It seems like it has improved performance.
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I still have an old 2012 Mac Mini that uses a HDD. Setting it to open without any layout and without running any updates on opening works wonders over the factory preset. It's running the latest Catalina which is vastly better for Logos than the previous OS. My library is enormous, but that really only gets in the way with updating/indexing. I might get an SSD in it still, but everything went on the backburner with the COVID roadblock
It's a snail compared to my Win laptop, but it's fine for many simple chores. And I use the same settings on my faster machine too. Starting with a clean desk in Logos is much like a regular clean desk. You decide what to do first rather than assume you must deal with what you looked at last. It's in the layouts if you need it.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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Lee said:
Sorry, I made up the term. It just means a setting for Logos to aggressively populate memory, including loading substantial portions, even the entire index into RAM. It could be done automatically, or manually (opt-out, or opt-in).
On Windows, memory-mapped file I/O is used extensively to accomplish this. (Use a tool like RAMMap or VMMap to investigate/demonstrate. I don't know enough about the macOS virtual memory system to comment on how effective it is on that platform.)
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On Windows, memory-mapped file I/O is used extensively to accomplish this. (Use a tool like RAMMap or VMMap to investigate/demonstrate. I don't know enough about the macOS virtual memory system to comment on how effective it is on that platform.)
I assume you mean that in Windows index is already aggressively loaded into memory. On a PC which has 64GB RAM, with only Logos running in an extensive layout, memory usage hovers around 550MB according to Task Manager. A power user may wish to have more aggressive memory usage (for reduction of disk I/O).
I don't know enough about the macOS virtual memory system to comment on how effective it is on that platform.
The same strategies could probably be used to minimize disk I/O. AFAIK Photoshop has very similar settings on both Windows and Mac platforms to minimize disk I/O.
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Lee said:
according to Task Manager
Don't use Task Manager; use a tool like VMMap to see a process's true memory usage (including cached files).
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