SUGGESTION: PB Bibles Improvements or Bug Report
Hello
I like that we can import PB Bibles with different verse mappings. Unfortunately we have to choose one verse mapping for the Bible.
I would love if we can choose different verse mappings through the imported Bible. Which means. If we want to import a Bible which has for example the Schlachter 2000 verse mapping, but in one chapter it is like the Elberfelder 84, then we can change for this chapter the Milestone from Schlachter 2000 to Elberfelder 84. This would make the import of PB Bibles much easier and much more accurate. So we can generally choose the verse mapping on either chapter we import. That would make a huge difference.
Or if we want to import a PB Bible where the jump from one chapter to the next is on another verse. Then we can choose a verse mapping for the both chapters where matches, so the beginning of the new chapter is on the right place.
One user mentioned this was possible in the early stage of PBB import, but not now anymore.
So this is either a feature request or a bug report if this feature is only broken.
Thanks
Fabian
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For a bible that did not match the verse mapping that I use in my "Reference" bible what I did was go to Chapter, Verse, Sub-verse.
So when the bible had "extra" text between verse 4 and 5 I used 4.01, 4.02, etc. But would all be seen as verse 4.
As in 4: 4.00 (the verse four text that matches the "Reference") followed as part of verse 4 lines separated by newlines of 4.01, 4.02, 4.03.
[When you requested verse 4 you would see four lines between verse 3 and verse 5. However this was only for my use of a bible not in Logos that had some "different" readings such as the extension of Daniel inline instead of as a separate book as in the LXX. Also Exodus chapters 36 and up. Yes, I could have used the LXX verse mapping but I needed to fully compare that bible to my "Reference" bible]
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David Ames said:
For a bible that did not match the verse mapping that I use in my "Reference" bible what I did was go to Chapter, Verse, Sub-verse.
So when the bible had "extra" text between verse 4 and 5 I used 4.01, 4.02, etc. But would all be seen as verse 4.
As in 4: 4.00 (the verse four text that matches the "Reference") followed as part of verse 4 lines separated by newlines of 4.01, 4.02, 4.03.
[When you requested verse 4 you would see four lines between verse 3 and verse 5. However this was only for my use of a bible not in Logos that had some "different" readings such as the extension of Daniel inline instead of as a separate book as in the LXX. Also Exodus chapters 36 and up. Yes, I could have used the LXX verse mapping but I needed to fully compare that bible to my "Reference" bible]
Thanks for the tip. Good to know.
But I'm not interested in a workaround.
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Fabian said: I'm not interested in a workaround.
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Danke
Das kenne ich, aber das löst das Problem noch nicht. Das ist eine gute Übersichtstabelle die hilft, aber damit kann ich noch nicht verschiedene Verse Mappings mischen.
For example I have a Bible (example from the site Thomas mentioned) with the Exodus 5,24 like the Afrikaans. But also with a verse 30 in Ex 6 like the Zunz or JPS, then I would love if I can use for the Ex 5 the [[@Bible+afr1933: xxx]] Milestone but also the [[@Bible+Zunz: xxx]] Milestone in Ex 6. In the same Bible, so Logos recognize for each chapter the Milestones not only one for the full Bible. Or on a verse basis.
As I mentioned before: It seems this was possible in an earlier version of Logos. So maybe it is only broken. If it is disabled by purpose I want it back.
Thanks.
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Fabian said:
For example I have a Bible (example from the site Thomas mentioned) with the Exodus 5,24 like the Afrikaans. But also with a verse 30 in Ex 6 like the Zunz or JPS, then I would love if I can use for the Ex 5 the [[@Bible+afr1933: xxx]] Milestone but also the [[@Bible+Zunz: xxx]] Milestone in Ex 6. In the same Bible, so Logos recognize for each chapter the Milestones not only one for the full Bible. Or on a verse basis.
As I mentioned before: It seems this was possible in an earlier version of Logos. So maybe it is only broken. If it is disabled by purpose I want it back.
You must add one piece to your proposal - what will the Bible index for the resulting Bible be? The index that appears in the Information Panel under Indexes, that is.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Fabian said:
with the Exodus 5,24 like the Afrikaans. But also with a verse 30 in Ex 6
Bible verse maps aren't simply about the number of verses in each chapter; they also include knowledge of what the text in those verses is.
For an example, consider "And he stood on the shore of the sea" in Rev 12:17-13:1. Some Bibles put that text in 12:17, some add 12:18 for just that text, and some put it in 13:1. (And there are possibly other combinations!)
Rev 12:18 in NRSV converts to Rev 12:17 in ESV, but Rev 13:1 in NIV (both of which only have 17 verses in Revelation 12). Simply knowing the number of verses in a chapter isn't necessarily sufficient to pick the correct versemap; it can need to be analysed verse-by-verse.
This is also partly why a Bible can only use a single verse map; mixing and matching verse references from different Bible data types may not make sense if they are referring to different texts. (For example, if ESV Rev 12:17 were followed immediately by NIV Rev 13:1 in a PBB Bible, you should have the text "And he stood on the sand of the sea" in both verses!)
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Thanks Bradley for your post and example!
Since this came up recently I was thinking about posting something along your line (because somebody advised to just go with the bible verse map with the most verses per chapter for PBs, whereas I was thinking about "getting it right", but lacked a proper example to show what would be wrong if one didn't).
The unfortunate thing is that the details of bible verse maps lead to nearly every bible having their own - and thus making it difficult for PB bibles, which are not yet in the Logos universe. The only good workaround when no existing map fits would be to publish the PB in several volumes (i.e. chunks of biblical books that follow existing verse maps).
Have joy in the Lord!
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Fabian said:
with the Exodus 5,24 like the Afrikaans. But also with a verse 30 in Ex 6
Bible verse maps aren't simply about the number of verses in each chapter; they also include knowledge of what the text in those verses is.
For an example, consider "And he stood on the shore of the sea" in Rev 12:17-13:1. Some Bibles put that text in 12:17, some add 12:18 for just that text, and some put it in 13:1. (And there are possibly other combinations!)
Rev 12:18 in NRSV converts to Rev 12:17 in ESV, but Rev 13:1 in NIV (both of which only have 17 verses in Revelation 12). Simply knowing the number of verses in a chapter isn't necessarily sufficient to pick the correct versemap; it can need to be analysed verse-by-verse.
This is also partly why a Bible can only use a single verse map; mixing and matching verse references from different Bible data types may not make sense if they are referring to different texts. (For example, if ESV Rev 12:17 were followed immediately by NIV Rev 13:1 in a PBB Bible, you should have the text "And he stood on the sand of the sea" in both verses!)
Hello Bradley
Thanks, I'm aware of this (means the content parallel not the Bible verses). And to make the PBB to be in parallel to other Bibles we need to mix Bible mappings. But what you mentioned is also true if we have only one Bible data type. Also there we have to find the correct Bible data type to be the content in parallel with the rest of Logos. Your argument supports my request and is not against it. Because of the parallel to mix up is fully needed. I don't know if I have written it, because in the edit windows in the forums here I cannot see the other posts, but the chapter jump problematic was in my mind. If we have a Bible which has this on another part or it happens more than one and the Bible data type doesn't support the one or both issues we have the problem. I'm aware we have to spot on the chapter problematic.
Your argument is exactly why we need to mix up. Thank for your support. Because there is no Bible like the others, on one place it matches with some Bible data types, but on other places it matches with other Bible data types. And to have all in one Bible, not to import the PBB in sections, my request is started.
I guess Logos do the same: I guess you have a master list, which we don't have access, and new Bibles you matches on this master list. I guess this master list is also dynamic which makes it variable but difficult. As we don't have this master list. The workaround for us as user is: to catch up the PBB with the most matching Bible data type as our master list, but where it differs we jump to a second list. Indicated by the Milestones. As by Logos this creates then a new one.
I know it is either way a lot of work. If we have to cripple the PBB to match only one Bible data types. But with the result the PBB will always be a cripple. Or to search and find chapters which matches the PBB perfect. But then the PBB is great and it makes fun to use it. I found out I have invested too many hours to find the perfect Bible data type. It need every time several tries, and every time the PBB must also be changed, because there were always verses then out of order. This time could be better invest in searching the matching chapter (chapters if there is the chapter change in it), but then with the result of a better Bible. For example I want to import the public domain "De Wette" Bible. I have to try different Bible data types. And I have to choose which one is the most closest to the De Wette. Then I have for the not matching verses to do a workaround. Often I have then 3 or 4 PBB created with different Bible data types, but non is good. In one PBB one part of the Bible is good and on the other the other part is good, only because I can't mix. It would even help to have the ability to mix Bible data types on the book basis. But better would be on chapter basis.
I know this is very difficult and the Bible software companies tries to handle it easier for the customers, but then the Bible the customers imports are always just a work around. To keep it simple is often to not overwhelm the user. But after some years creating Bibles I found out only a few user jumps in this area. And the one who jumps in are not satisfied with the work arounds.
To try to keep it simpler by offering only one Bible data type per Bible makes it in reality no simpler it only moves the difficult part on another place.
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MJ. Smith said:Fabian said:
For example I have a Bible (example from the site Thomas mentioned) with the Exodus 5,24 like the Afrikaans. But also with a verse 30 in Ex 6 like the Zunz or JPS, then I would love if I can use for the Ex 5 the [[@Bible+afr1933: xxx]] Milestone but also the [[@Bible+Zunz: xxx]] Milestone in Ex 6. In the same Bible, so Logos recognize for each chapter the Milestones not only one for the full Bible. Or on a verse basis.
As I mentioned before: It seems this was possible in an earlier version of Logos. So maybe it is only broken. If it is disabled by purpose I want it back.
You must add one piece to your proposal - what will the Bible index for the resulting Bible be? The index that appears in the Information Panel under Indexes, that is.
The Milestone I use says it. is this not one reason for the Milestones? The name of the Bible is "De Wette" if follows most the NRSV, which is the closest, indicated by the Milestones, but on two chapter if follows on the Schlachter 2000, indicated by the Milestones. If I understand the Milestones correct.
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Fabian said:
If I understand the Milestones correct.
What you are missing is the relationship between the milestones and the indexing and therefore the access. I asked my question as a Socratic question -- to lead you to the conclusion that was made explicit by Bradley. To the best of my knowledge, what you are suggesting has never been supported - on the other hand, I would have never tried it because it appears to me to be logically inconsistent. To disrupt the basic system principle that a Bible has a single verse map would be a substantial effort requiring extensive testing ... and believe me, I have pounded on verse maps for years to get them as reliable as they are now.But I know a few places where I can "break them" to make a point - esoteric cases I don't want Logos spending the resources necessary to fix.
But, don't let me discourage you ... if enough people are building PBB Bibles for which there are no obvious verse mappings, then the problem should be brought to the attention of Logos and a solution found.Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Another example:
Mr. Ulrich was so nice to send me the source file of the https://www.fraumuenster.ch/das-fraumunster/ulrich-bibel/ Now this Bible has 3. Macc and 3. and 4. Esdras. I would love if I can take a Bible data type which matches the Bible, because it is an old one I guess I have to mix, and then I can go on with another Milestone with the Apocryphal books.
Or I have a Bible which follows in the OT the Hebrew Bible but in the NT the KJV. Then I would love if I can use for the OT the HB Milestones and for the NT the KJV Milestones. Like this Bible http://amarel.com
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The Ulrich Bibel IIRC is a relative of the Zurich Bible (1531) ... I don't have German resources in quantities to get from that to the correct verse mapping but I would assume that there is already a verse mapping that is very close. The issue then becomes whether Logos published the original in its entirety or if they truncated it to match the future shorter canon.
Note: I think the Fraumünster bibel is an alternative name (name of a church?) for the Ulrich Bibel which is named for the comments written by Ulrich
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks. Yes I wasn't sure what you wanted to say.
MJ. Smith said:what you are suggesting has never been supported
Thanks, so then my Suggestion is not a bug report but a feature request.
And let me say, I know not many goes in building PBB, but there are people like mine (one of my hobbies) who does it for others too. That means Logos can't only count the people who requested features for this topic.
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Fabian said:
Now this Bible has 3. Macc and 3. and 4. Esdras. I would love if I can take a Bible data type which matches the Bible, because it is an old one I guess I have to mix, and then I can go on with another Milestone with the Apocryphal books.
Suggestion is creating Personal Book (PB) Bibles so each PB Bible uses one Bible Milestone type (map). The PB Bibles can be connected for verse navigation using Series (with automatic switching between PB Bibles when appropriate). Prudent to avoid verse overlap: each verse should only be found in one PB Bible in a Series.
Faithlife offers => The Holy Bible: King James Version (KJV) that is two Bible Resources: Apocryphal Books are in their own Bible resource.
Fabian said:Or I have a Bible which follows in the OT the Hebrew Bible but in the NT the KJV.
My custom series name "2012h:LHB + 2010g:SBLGNT" describes Lexham Hebrew Bible (LHB) + Society of Biblical Literature Greek New Testament (SBLGNT) being connected for verse navigation between Old and New Testament using different Bible Verse Maps.
Thread => Great ideas for arranging your commentary collections! discussion includes my commentary title & abbreviated title conventions. For Bibles, have a similar convention:
- #### for Year (content composition/publication)
- Language
- null = English
- a = Arabic
- d = deutsch (German)
- e = español (Spanish)
- f = francés (French)
- g = Greek
- h = Hebrew
- i = italiano (Italian)
- L = Latin
- s = Syriac
- Optional Abbreviation
- : (visual separator)
- Original Title
- Optional suffix (Year translated/published)
Abbreviated Title
- #### Year
- Language
- null = English
- a = Arabic
- d = deutsch (German)
- e = español (Spanish)
- f = francés (French)
- g = Greek
- h = Hebrew
- i = italiano (Italian)
- L = Latin
- s = Syriac
- : (visual separator)
- Abbreviation
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At least it would be helpful if we can choose for the different Bible books a different Milestone. For example the PBB has in Matthew the verse mapping like the KJV [[@Bible:Gen 1:1 ]][[1:1 >> Gen 1:1]], but in Mark like the NA27 [[@BibleNA27:Gen 1:1 ]][[1:1 >> Gen 1:1]] . This wouldn't affect the chapter problem mentioned above, as every book is an item per se. But it would give much more flexibility to import PBB.
Please consider to implement this feature. In my opinion this couldn't be too hard as the Milestones are implemented. Let us only allow to use different Milestones for the different Bible books. That would be wonderful.
Thanks
Fabian
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Fabian said:
Please consider to implement this feature. In my opinion this couldn't be too hard as the Milestones are implemented. Let us only allow to use different Milestones for the different Bible books. That would be wonderful.
Idea is creating a Personal Bible for each Bible Book, which uses Series to connect Personal Bibles for navigation between Bible Books, similar to Göttingen Septuagint series => Göttingen Septuagint (67 vols.)
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Fabian said:
Please consider to implement this feature. In my opinion this couldn't be too hard as the Milestones are implemented. Let us only allow to use different Milestones for the different Bible books. That would be wonderful.
Idea is creating a Personal Bible for each Bible Book, which uses Series to connect Personal Bibles for navigation between Bible Books, similar to Göttingen Septuagint series => Göttingen Septuagint (67 vols.)
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Thank, this would be the last option.
I would prefer mine, as I thinks this isn't too hard for developing. Just simply allow another Milestone in the next Bible book. Then it makes also sense to have for each verse a Milestone. If you only can use one verse mapping only one Milestone at the beginning would do it.
Thanks for implement this in Logos.
Fabian
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Fabian said:
I would prefer mine, as I thinks this isn't too hard for developing. Just simply allow another Milestone in the next Bible book. Then it makes also sense to have for each verse a Milestone. If you only can use one verse mapping only one Milestone at the beginning would do it.
Thanks for implement this in Logos.
What is the business incentive for Faithlife Corporation to implement more than one Bible milestone mapping within a Personal Book Bible ? Currently Faithlife does not receive any revenue from Personal Book(s) being created while implementing more than one Bible milestone mapping incurs costs for development and support. Faithlife has a business motive to be profitable: Profit = Revenue - Cost
Earlier reply by Faithlife included:
This is also partly why a Bible can only use a single verse map; mixing and matching verse references from different Bible data types may not make sense if they are referring to different texts. (For example, if ESV Rev 12:17 were followed immediately by NIV Rev 13:1 in a PBB Bible, you should have the text "And he stood on the sand of the sea" in both verses!)
Looking at Bible resources in my Library shows every one has a single Bible index using a single verse map (with my custom Series connecting different Bible Verse Maps for Book navigation). To me, "partly why" in Bradley's answer implies changing resource handling for more than one Bible Verse Map has corollary changes in Bible Indexing, Search, Personal Book Builder, Resource Information, Metadata syncing, ... (non-trivial change from single Bible verse map per resource to correctly handling many Bible verse maps)
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I know you worship Logos as many here in the forums. But I don't. For me Logos is a tool and if it would serve me better with some extra features, I request this features.
What are you afraid of? What make you fearful about my request? Is not the forum here to make request?
I disagree with the statement.
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Looking at Bible resources in my Library shows every one has a single Bible index using a single verse map (with my custom Series connecting different Bible Verse Maps for Book navigation). To me, "partly why" in Bradley's answer implies changing resource handling for more than one Bible Verse Map has corollary changes in Bible Indexing, Search, Personal Book Builder, Resource Information, Metadata syncing, ... (non-trivial change from single Bible verse map per resource to correctly handling many Bible verse maps)
As the "Bible" is made upon Milestones this Milestones are the angle not the whole Bible. This is the case for the Milestone in general. Not? If the PBB can broken up into the books sections. This wouldn't affect the parallel scrolling with other Bibles or with a commentary. For example: The PBB uses KJV except for Romans then to scroll in Romans wouldn't corrupt the parallel scrolling with a commentary, as the commentary is also done per Bible book.
Fabian
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Thankful for my ongoing Holy worship of יהוה [:D] that includes being Thankful for answered prayers [G]
Thankful for Logos & Verbum Bible Software tools [8-|] that includes my favorite feature of Visual Filter highlighting.
Thankful for Faithlife Corporation CEO providing Personal Book usage insights (under 1 % of all Logos & Verbum users) => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126859/848584.aspx#848584 (noted lack of business incentive for Faithlife to spend more money improving Personal Book tool plus 20/20 hindsight that free Logos 4 Personal Book tool should have needed a subscription like Libronix 3 for future development costs). Faithlife is actively developing/improving Sermon Builder/Manager (Logos 9) & Homily Builder/Manager (Verbum 9).
Thankful for free Personal Book tool => American Standard Version 1901 - Personal Bible without Chapter and Verse #'s that helped me experience Bible verse map of milestones for Text Comparison (so needed to change @Bible to @BibleKJV in a Personal Book Bible), which has been super-ceded by Logos & Verbum feature to show/hide chapter & verse numbers, which works in most Bibles.
Thankful for many friendly forum and Faithlife discussions: have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn [8-|] (includes reading multitude of forum Suggestions, UserVoice, & Feedback while seeing a subset implemented as Faithlife Corporation has lots of choices for development prioritization)
Fabian said:As the "Bible" is made upon Milestones this Milestones are the angle not the whole Bible. This is the case for the Milestone in general. Not? If the PBB can broken up into the books sections. This wouldn't affect the parallel scrolling with other Bibles or with a commentary. For example: The PBB uses KJV except for Romans then to scroll in Romans wouldn't corrupt the parallel scrolling with a commentary, as the commentary is also done per Bible book.
Bible milestones correspond to Bible verse map, which has location translation for Bible verse map locations in different resources for linked navigation: e.g. parallel scrolling. Current design is one Bible Verse map for all Bible milestones in one resource, which is non-trivial to modify (trivially different in Personal Book document while needing substantial software changes to transparently handle Bible milestone mappings coherently). Work around is using Series to link resources with different Bible Verse mapping of milestones for chapter & verse navigation. If Series has more than one resource with chapter & verse for navigation, alphabetically first resource appears (works OK in my custom Top 2 Commentary Series that has more than one commentary for Bible books).
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Fabian said:
I know you worship Logos as many here in the forums. But I don't. For me Logos is a tool and if it would serve me better with some extra features, I request this features.
No need to make personal, false swipes. And it is generally best to believe Bradley who knows the actual code. The side-effects of a change are usually more dependent on the code than the logical data structure. However, you have an absolute right, and I encourage you to, make suggestions.
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Thanks for your answer for what you are thankful. But again what do you fear?
I still keep on my position: This feature would be easily to implement. And I want it.
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Bible milestones correspond to Bible verse map, which has location translation for Bible verse map locations in different resources for linked navigation: e.g. parallel scrolling. Current design is one Bible Verse map for all Bible milestones in one resource, which is non-trivial to modify (trivially different in Personal Book document while needing substantial software changes to transparently handle Bible milestone mappings coherently). Work around is using Series to link resources with different Bible Verse mapping of milestones for chapter & verse navigation. If Series has more than one resource with chapter & verse for navigation, alphabetically first resource appears (works OK in my custom Top 2 Commentary Series that has more than one commentary for Bible books).
What you explain isn't a problem. Every Milestone is "linked" to a master list. Besides this list are the verse mappings of the different Bibles. This list is flexible, otherwise it wouldn't be possible to add for Logos a new Bible which has a different verse mapping. If I create a PBB it follows one of those Bible lists. It is possible to develop for Logos the feature we can jump for the different Bible books to follow a different verse mapping.
I see more you will not. And instead you advocate for the users you make yourself as a firewall for Logos. Do you have nothing better to do? Are you bored otherwise? As you say, you are happy with the new features. So would I with this feature.
Fabian
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MJ. Smith said:Fabian said:
I know you worship Logos as many here in the forums. But I don't. For me Logos is a tool and if it would serve me better with some extra features, I request this features.
No need to make personal, false swipes.
Personal: Yes. False: No.
I have seen no other forum where the users fall down on the knee for the software than here. This is not normal here. Just simply read some answers I get from users here and you come to the same conclusion.
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Fabian said:
But again what do you fear?
As a mature Christian, I fear very little. But at the moment I do fear for my country (politics deleted)
P.S. You can essentially do what you want now by making each book(s) using a particular verse map a separate book and connecting them via a common series.
PPS. I know a falsehood when I see one - you are physically unable to see if or when users fall on their knees to the software. And at my age, falling is nothing to joke about as a friend just discovered having broken both a hip and a shoulder.
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MJ. Smith said:Fabian said:
But again what do you fear?
As a mature Christian, I fear very little. But at the moment I do fear for my country given some of the "idjits"
running around opening their mouths.P.S. You can essentially do what you want now by making each book(s) using a particular verse map a separate book and connecting them via a common series.
Totalitarism begins where you can't criticize. (In my opinon in this forum here too.)
I just simply want a feature. So I can import a whole Bible not portion for portion.
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Fabian said:
Thanks for your answer for what you are thankful. But again what do you fear?
My personal fear is not relevant for a friendly forum discussion about suggestion details & business motivation for Personal Book tool enhancement in Logos & Verbum Bible Software.
Saddened by my earlier question lacking a reasonable answer:
What is the business incentive for Faithlife Corporation to implement more than one Bible milestone mapping within a Personal Book Bible ? Currently Faithlife does not receive any revenue from Personal Book(s) being created while implementing more than one Bible milestone mapping incurs costs for development and support. Faithlife has a business motive to be profitable: Profit = Revenue - Cost
Purpose of my question was seeking positive reason(s) for Faithlife Corporation to consider/implement suggestion for import of Personal Book Bible having a mixture of Bible milestones. (no personal attack was intended while seeking What motivation for development prioritization)
Ad-hominem responses actually weaken reason to consider tool suggestion for all users of Logos & Verbum (implies Faithlife Corporation should spend money on development costs & support for convenience of importing a Personal Book Bible having a mixture of Bible verse map milestones while not providing any Revenue to keep Faithlife Corporation operational). Corporate history includes doing a variety of helpful items for customers while not counting the costs, which subsequently resulted in employees being laid off. Highly recommend reading => Fire Someone Today: And Other Surprising Tactics for Making Your Business a Success (written by Faithlife Corporation CEO, Bob Pritchett)
Mistaking passion (for helping others use Faithlife software plus wanting Faithlife Corporation to stay in business) as worship misses the mark.
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What is the business incentive for Faithlife Corporation to implement more than one Bible milestone mapping within a Personal Book Bible ? Currently Faithlife does not receive any revenue from Personal Book(s) being created while implementing more than one Bible milestone mapping incurs costs for development and support. Faithlife has a business motive to be profitable: Profit = Revenue - Cost
So you fear Logos loose money, the same money you get to be the watchdog here. So you fear to loose your money. I know you have very useful post here in the forums. Some was really helpful to me. But not in this thread, so stop barking [:#]
If my sentence above are not true, then stop acting like it would be true. Same as: I you don't want to be recognized as a fool, stop acting like a fool. Then I don't come to the conclusion ...
And please read the posts EXACTLY. I guess you have the skills for exegesis. I know my english is not the best as I am not a native english speaker. But I guess you are smart enough to understand what I write.
Bradley mentioned the problem of the verse mapping in a Bible book. For example the problem that exist with Rev. 17:17 until Rev. 18:1. With or without the verse Rev. 17:18. I understand the problem, so I changed my request to change not the Milestones for each chapter but for the Bible book. Then the chapter problem don't come up as every Bible book is a book itself. With my new request I avoid the problem Bradley mentioned. My new request don't give me, and other users, the same power as my first request, but it gives us more flexibility than the currently solution.
And a new request: It would be good if we can add Bible books, by simply add the Milestones for it.
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Fabian said:
For example: The PBB uses KJV
Prior to some recent date the Bible, or so I have been told, was just a string of letters.
Then someone cut it up into chapters. [And we still debate where chapters should start and end (as where should Gen 1 end) ]
Then someone had the great idea to create a concordance and cut the text into smaller cuts so we could find every word. [[And his son has been quoted as saying that some of those 'cuts' were made when his father's horse hit a bump in the road]]
But not everyone agreed where the 'cuts' should be. Maybe our Bible reading program needs to sync on 'words' rather than verse boundaries.
And, as not everyone uses the same words, that will not work either. Looks like we may be stuck with what we have.
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David Ames said:
But not everyone agreed where the 'cuts' should be.
Logos Wiki => Bible Verse Maps documents lots of Bible Verse Maps (variety of 'cuts' in many places) implemented by Faithlife Development in various Bibles so each Bible has one verse map.
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THE UNIVERSAL BIBLE OF THE PROTESTANT, CATHOLIC, ORTHODOX, ETHIOPIC, SYRIAC, AND SAMARITAN CHURCH
See thread:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/188514/1088916.aspx#1088916
How do we enter that volume as a PBB of type Bible?
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David Ames said:
THE UNIVERSAL BIBLE OF THE PROTESTANT, CATHOLIC, ORTHODOX, ETHIOPIC, SYRIAC, AND SAMARITAN CHURCH
See thread:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/188514/1088916.aspx#1088916
How do we enter that volume as a PBB of type Bible?
Amazon reviews mention public domain material was combined together (with some editing): e.g. KJV 1900 with Apocrypha is included in Logos 9 Basic plus The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament in English is included in many library packages. Also available is Classic Studies on the New Testament Apocrypha (12 vols.)
If was considering creation of a PB Bible (competing with existing Faithlife resources, which already have better tagging that includes KJV 1900 reverse interlinear, which is not doable in PB Bible), then would 'cut' public domain verse numbering to match BibleKJV verse map as one PB Bible (handles most Universal Bible books plus should align well with public domain KJV text copied into the Universal Bible) with additional PB Bibles:
- bible verse map (Additional Psalm, 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, Ode, Psalms of Solomon, Epistle to the Laodiceans)
- ? verse map for 'Additions to Daniel' (depends on public domain source 'cut')
- cap (OR otp) verse map (1 Enoch, 4 Ezra, 2 Baruch)
- ceb verse map (Psalm 151A, Psalm 151B)
- dssb verse map (Plea for Deliverance, Apostrophe to Zion, Hymn to the Creator, Apostrophe to Judah, David's Compositions, Eschatological Hymn, Catena)
- pesh verse map (Apocryphal Psalms, Epistle of Baruch, Apocalypse of Baruch & may change a book from bible to pesh verse map depending on 'cut' of public domain text)
Bible & BibleKJV verse mapping often is identical for a Bible Book while Bible verse map includes more books (so may consider 'cut' changes to KJV text humbering to match Bible verse map if wanted one PB Bible for most Universal Books instead of two).
Would use a custom series to connect PB Bibles for navigation. Some "Universal Bible" books may not have Bible Verse map so would try to mimic non-bible milestones in Logos resources, which could be an 'introduction' OR 'appendix' in PB Bible OR be a separate PB in the same series.
FWIW: Logos Wiki => Canonical Commentary Collections includes Logos navigation # for 87 Bible Books
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David Ames said:
THE UNIVERSAL BIBLE OF THE PROTESTANT, CATHOLIC, ORTHODOX, ETHIOPIC, SYRIAC, AND SAMARITAN CHURCH
See thread:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/188514/1088916.aspx#1088916
How do we enter that volume as a PBB of type Bible?
If was considering creation of a PB Bible (competing with existing Faithlife resources, which already have better tagging that includes KJV 1900 reverse interlinear, which is not doable in PB Bible), then would 'cut' public domain verse numbering to match BibleKJV verse map as one PB Bible (handles most Universal Bible books plus should align well with public domain KJV text copied into the Universal Bible) with additional PB Bibles:
Would use a custom series to connect PB Bibles for navigation. Some "Universal Bible" books may not have Bible Verse map so would try to mimic non-bible milestones in Logos resources, which could be an 'introduction' OR 'appendix' in PB Bible OR be a separate PB in the same series.
As this thread asks how to versitize the text my answer would most likely be to do the book as multiple PBB books. [Just for the record: I have no plans to do the task. Was just wondering how, with the current tools, that it could be done.]
[As I stated somewhere else: I am working on inputting a Bible and as my only use of that Bible is to compare it to a 'reference Bible' I am 'force fitting' it to the verse structure of my 'reference Bible']
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