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Logos is publishing enneagram books this year.
There are 9 types; some of them are naturally terse.
I am naturally to-the-point. To be otherwise, I have to work on it - it just ain't natural to beat around the bush.
I think of my EQ. Its not naturally high. I have worked hard for every bit of people skills I have, + sometimes the package is not enough, + I feel its only average.
I like MJ's terse comm style!
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scooter said:
I am naturally to-the-point. To be otherwise, I have to work on it - it just ain't natural to beat around the bush.
I admire that. I tend to be vague, as well as verbose. I’m definitely not comfortable with (confrontations or) being direct.
scooter said:I think of my EQ. Its not naturally high. I have worked hard for every bit of people skills I have, + sometimes the package is not enough, + I feel its only average.
Don’t be unnecessarily hard on yourself, I think you tend to come across well.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:scooter said:
I am naturally to-the-point. To be otherwise, I have to work on it - it just ain't natural to beat around the bush.
I admire that. I tend to be vague, as well as verbose. I’m definitely not comfortable with (confrontations or) being direct.
scooter said:I think of my EQ. Its not naturally high. I have worked hard for every bit of people skills I have, + sometimes the package is not enough, + I feel its only average.
Don’t be unnecessarily hard on yourself, I think you tend to come across well.
Thanks for the positive words, Petah. I appreciate Ur encouragement.
You may be feeling first. Maybe 1/3 of guys are feeling first; maybe 2/3 of ladies are.
I find that peoples' expectations relate to being called ''abrupt.''
Men are more accepted as being abrupt ''naturally.'' More women who are thinking first are called 'cold,' etc., when seen as too much to the point. All this boxing-in of people is unfair.
Knowing a person's enneagram type allows one to understand them better.
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Enneagram-wise, Finland is a type 5 country. So is Japan.
'Preciate the article - it was fun!
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xnman said:
terse is a form of smart mouth. It's sometimes like a verbal slap. It is never kind.
Only in some 'Alice in the Wonderland' world/
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
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Interesting article MJ.
Ages ago I read a book that talked about perceptual channels. Different persons process environment different.
Some are Aural oriented (lots of talking, interacting verbally, etc.)
Some are more Visual (do not remember how they manifested, maybe reading n writing, painting, etc.) demonstrating emotions.
And there are Kinesthetics persons. usually highly adept at physical sports, disciplines, etc. Incredibly, this last group, communicates a lot non-verbally, ie with energy exchange. The book said that when you have 2 kinesthetic persons, they may be sitting together for long times without saying anything, but at the energetic level lots of interaction happen.
It seems that Scandinavians in general have a tendency towards the kinesthetic perceptual channel based on some statistical data:
The topic is interesting and worthy of study, because many relationship probs are supposedly due to mismatch in styles.
A woman that is Aural, complains that her husband does not tell her enough that he loves her, and the husband is surprised, because being a kinesthetic, he is sending all his love energetically to his wife, that maybe is not the preferred channel the woman likes.
Forgot the name of the book (dead tree), trying to find resources on perceptual channels in L9 did not show results.
Not sure if the theory of preferred perceptual channel is important in ministry, maybe it is.
As an example here in the forums, kinesthetics probably will have problems communicating if not good at writing, because, the accompanying good vibe cannot be transmitted (eg. maybe what is written is done with good intentions, that could be picked up if close, but the actual wording of the post is not reflecting that).
Some studies have found that supposedly over 70 % of communication is non- verbal, so maybe we are more energy transmit and receive dependent that what we actually know.
The Bible talks about possible cases where energy has protagonism: Jesus saying that virtue departed Him to heal a woman, Angels seemingly directing energy at ungodly persons in Sodom and blinding them, etc.
So energy may be related to communication, and to other human activities, it would be nice to investigate more.
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I have kept wordsearch and zipscript on my computer just for that reason, so I can continue to use zipscript.
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I keep WS just because some things are quicker to do in WS. Hopefully one day, this will go away and I will feel I can do things just as quick in Logos.
But I keep Zipscript... simply because there is nothing like it that will do all that it does. Quick, easy, simple.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
I keep WS just because some things are quicker to do in WS. Hopefully one day, this will go away and I will feel I can do things just as quick in Logos.
Please share what task(s) are quicker in WS.
Personally have Logos 9 (big purchased library with all features enabled) and Verbum 8 (small demonstration library with few features enabled) open at the same time. Right Click on a Bible word is quicker in Verbum 8 (less stuff for context menu population) than Logos 9. Still dreaming of context menu customization to show interesting subset (instead of current implementation to always search & show everything that takes longer). Information Tool has sections for showing everything, which can be collapsed/expanded as desired. Logos 9 Right Click irritant is clicking a line whose action is different since another item was enabled for Right Click display (shifting other lines down) before my click was processed so an unexpected action happened.
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Still dreaming of context menu customization to show interesting subset (instead of current implementation to always search & show everything [...]).
I'm with you there.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Sorry, I didn't fully explain....
I've used WS for many years.... the keystrokes, etc are embedded in my mind from constant use....
So along comes Logos.... I've had Logos for about 6 months or so.... In Logos.. it's still me trying to figure things out.... while in WS... click click zoom done.
It's the comfy of the old coat syndrome... while having a new coat... so to speak. That's the thing. I'm pushing myself in Logos.... but good things just take while longer... [8-|]
Sorry about the confusion..
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Please share what task(s) are quicker in WS.
I'd say most tasks associated with comparing the way different versions translate a passage or verse are considerably quicker and easier in Wordsearch.
The WS Parallel Bible tool is I think a little easier on the eyes compared to the Text Comparison tool, but it is vastly easier to manage the selection of Bible versions to display. Changing a translation is as easy as clicking the name of the displayed translation and choosing a replacement from the list that pops up. Removing a column is as simple as clicking the X in the usual corner of the box. Adding a translation requires a dialog box, but it is easy to move versions back and forth within it from "available" and "include" columns, or to re-order the presentation.
I find trying to manage the Bible versions in the Text Comparison tool to be something of a nightmare in Logos, which I've been using fairly regularly for about twelve years.
The Text Comparison tool is much better for analytical comparisons against a base text, but I don't find the need for that nearly as often as just needing a clear and simple display of how several translations handle a particular passage.
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John W Gillis said:
I find trying to manage the Bible versions in the Text Comparison tool to be something of a nightmare in Logos, which I've been using fairly regularly for about twelve years.
An alternative to Text Comparison is a Bible Search of All Open Bibles for Milestone: e.g. {Milestone <Pp4.4-9>}
In Grid, can click Bible Abbreviation to change from one Bible to another. Verses display can show Bible results for "comparison":
Bible search can find more than one Milestone: (using mix of comma's with OR allows verses in each Book to have the same color)
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Hi
I am not an academic or a vicar/minister/pastor but I do give some Sunday talks to our church satellite group.
The way I compare Bible versions is by just listing the ones I use, in alphabetical order left to right, on the top bar. Currently, I have 28 staring with AMP and finishing with YLT. The main ones I use are B4E, CEV, HCSB, NIV2011 (UK), NKJV, MSG & TPT.
I used a similar method in WORDsearch and I now have worked out how to do the same thing in LOGOS. I also have my main commentaries similarly sorted.
To make life quicker I am just waiting for the TPT Ps/Pro/SofS to be "Logosised" and similarly with the NT & OT Open the Book Page by Page to save having to manually open the matching passage.
Blessings
Peter
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John W Gillis said:
I find trying to manage the Bible versions in the Text Comparison tool to be something of a nightmare in Logos, which I've been using fairly regularly for about twelve years.
Thankful can save Text Comparisons in Favorites (drag tab into Favorites, which can be followed by right click rename) so can quickly reopen a set of Bibles later (plus have many Text Comparisons open):
My collection "Bible Compare Interlinear" is another name for MyTag:InterlinearTextComparison where Verses view shows my abbreviated Title modifications (so year prefix sorts chronological) while Interlinear view shows default Bible abbreviation from Faithlife servers.
John W Gillis said:The WS Parallel Bible tool is I think a little easier on the eyes compared to the Text Comparison tool, but it is vastly easier to manage the selection of Bible versions to display.
Curious about screen shot(s) showing WS Parallel Bible tool and selection management. Logos wiki has => Screenshot
When Faithlife revamped Text Comparison to be a scrolling list of verses, Thankful for selection process becoming easier so can arrange specific Bibles in desired order while a collection sorts alphabetically. FYI: Logos 4 Mac mouse clicking trying to select Bible(s) was challenging.
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can save Text Comparisons in Favorites
That's an interesting workaround. I can see where that could come in handy - thank you.
Curious about screen shot(s) showing WS Parallel Bible tool and selection management.
#1: Column Mode, with 4 Bibles (this view becomes a multi-row grid of entries if the needed display width exceeds the pane width).
#2: Row Mode
#3: Selection Management Dialog Box (triggered by clicking "Add Translation" button)
#4: Changing translation from version short-name hyperlink within panel
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Here's the equivalent in Logos:
#1: Column Mode, with 4 Bibles (this view becomes a multi-row grid of entries if the needed display width exceeds the pane width).
#2: Row Mode (changed using the panel menu)
#3: Selection Management Dialog Box (triggered by clicking the list of resources)
#4: Changing translation by typing in the Find box, clicking the checkbox, then clear the filter and drag the item to the desired place in the list of checked resources.
Note also that configurations can be saved (with the Save button) so they can be easily recalled later. You can also add Collections of Bibles to your list, or Series, or filter with an arbitrary library query string and add all resources matching the filter.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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#4: Changing translation by typing in the Find box, clicking the checkbox, then clear the filter and drag the item to the desired place in the list of checked resources.
Thank you for the walk-through. It finally dawns on me why I become lost in this tool: clearing the filter never struck me as an obvious next step.When I got to this point, I had no idea how to make my selection "stick". I'd say: "OK, what do I do now?" I learned quickly that hitting Save did something different than I intended, there seemed to be nothing else to click in the drop-down dialog, and clicking outside the area seemed to produce inconsistent results: sometimes the new selection got added, sometimes it didn't, sometimes whatever I had clicked inside the dialog box replaced the original selection.
I'm sure I did something dumb half the time, but my point is that I never knew how to simply make this work, so I've been going back to Wordsearch for this kind of tool for years, because of its intuitiveness. I'd be curious to know how widespread this challenge has been, or if I've just been uniquely clueless.
#1: Column Mode, with 4 Bibles (this view becomes a multi-row grid of entries if the needed display width exceeds the pane width).
I'm not seeing this in Logos, BTW. No matter how many Bibles I add to the comparison list, they remain in columns, and the "extra" texts just run off the page to the right, so you have to scroll over to them. What I was referencing in Wordsearch is the kind of grid representation in the screenshot below. FWIW, I see minimal value in it, but it was nice occasionally for a birds-eye view of how a large number of versions treated a particular verse. Here's an easily-digestible view of how 16 English versions translate a verse:
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John W Gillis said:
It finally dawns on me why I become lost in this tool: clearing the filter never struck me as an obvious next step.When I got to this point, I had no idea how to make my selection "stick".
The key point is that you need to check the box next to the resource. Clicking the checkbox next to an item selects it and moves it to the top part of the popup. The top part lists the selected resources and the bottom lists all the available options. Typing in the box filters both the list of selected resources and the available resources.
John W Gillis said:I'm not seeing this in Logos, BTW. No matter how many Bibles I add to the comparison list, they remain in columns, and the "extra" texts just run off the page to the right
Most likely your options in the panel menu are set to Horizontal instead of Automatic layout.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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John W Gillis said:
#1: Column Mode, with 4 Bibles (this view becomes a multi-row grid of entries if the needed display width exceeds the pane width).
I'm not seeing this in Logos, BTW. No matter how many Bibles I add to the comparison list, they remain in columns, and the "extra" texts just run off the page to the right, so you have to scroll over to them. What I was referencing in Wordsearch is the kind of grid representation in the screenshot below. FWIW, I see minimal value in it, but it was nice occasionally for a birds-eye view of how a large number of versions treated a particular verse. Here's an easily-digestible view of how 16 English versions translate a verse:
Found my Logos library does not have Montgomery NT, Mace NT, Modern Language Bible (MLB), Moffat (The Historical New Testament: A New Translation is Type: Bible Commentary so does not appear in Text Comparison list as Bible Books in this resource are in a chronological order)
Replicated Logos "Horizontal Layout (Columns)" scrolling (left & right) when have more Bibles to display than column width:
Screen shot shows lots of Bibles in Horizontal & Vertical layouts (where some Bibles are not on screen in Horizontal layout).
WS Parallel Bibles has tool lines for visual guidance while Logos has white space. Dreaming of a tool line every 5 resources to improve readability. Thankful customized Bible abbreviations appear in Text Comparison.
John W Gillis said:#3: Selection Management Dialog Box (triggered by clicking "Add Translation" button)
WS Parallel Bibles selection list is longer for ordering selected Bibles while Logos is limited to 6 lines of selected Bibles (so dragging a Bible over many lines to change order is cumbersome, provides incentive to select a collection for comparison)
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Most likely your options in the panel menu are set to Horizontal instead of Automatic layout.
Well, yes... I thought you had indicated above that column mode became a grid format if the collective column widths exceeded the pane?
Regardless, I can't get it to do a grid presentation in Automatic Layout, either. Testing it on two computers (one running Logos 9.1.0.0018, the other Verbum 9.1.0.0018), both Automatic and Vertical layout selections consistently give me Row mode,and Horizontal gives me Column mode (with no grid transformation).
Can you post a screenshot of. what you get for a grid presentation?
Typing in the box filters both the list of selected resources and the available resources.
Yes, it all makes sense once it's been pointed out. I'm just curious how often people need to be told how to use a tool that would seem like it should be very easy to use. Could just be me?
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John W Gillis said:
Well, yes... I thought you had indicated above that column mode became a grid format if the collective column widths exceeded the pane?
Regardless, I can't get it to do a grid presentation in Automatic Layout, either. Testing it on two computers (one running Logos 9.1.0.0018, the other Verbum 9.1.0.0018), both Automatic and Vertical layout selections consistently give me Row mode,and Horizontal gives me Column mode (with no grid transformation).
I think I might have misunderstood you. Are you saying that WordSearch has three different layouts? Column mode has two different layouts depending on the width, and Row mode has just the one layout?
Logos only has two display modes, Horizontal and Vertical. The Automatic mode will automatically switch between those two modes depending on the width of the display. Screenshots of both were shown in my earlier post.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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#4: Changing translation by typing in the Find box, clicking the checkbox, then clear the filter and drag the item to the desired place in the list of checked resources.
Thank you, Andrew, so much for a simple explanation to a real problem I've had forever. I have been using Logos since disk days and have not known how to really adjust the bible versions to display in Text Comparisons. Only by accident would I get what I wanted to display. How simple, just clear the filter. Amazing!!
I have watched training videos done by Logos and also by Morris, I do not recall anyone ever giving this simple instruction. Needless to say as the result of your instruction I will use TC more in the future.
Thanks again!!
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Please share what task(s) are quicker in WS.
Suggestions Thread => Collapse Table of contents included:
xnman said:In WS we could expand (+ icon) or decrease (- icon) ... the menu of most screens that had a menu on them.
I miss it in Logos.
Curious about WS screen shot(s) showing expand or decrease.
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Grid mode in Wordsearch Parallel Bible shown here here: https://office.wordsearchbible.com/help/12/en/index.html?parallelbiblewindow.htm
Expand/collapse shown here:
https://office.wordsearchbible.com/help/12/en/index.html?crossrefexplorer.htm
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John Simpson said:
Grid mode in Wordsearch Parallel Bible shown here here: https://office.wordsearchbible.com/help/12/en/index.html?parallelbiblewindow.htm
Ah, I see. Logos doesn't have anything like that.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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How do I search for variant rating in the UBS Version 5 Apparatus? It does not search the standard way with <{D}> or <D>.
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Peter Kozushko said:
How do I search for variant rating in the UBS Version 5 Apparatus? It does not search the standard way with <{D}> or <D>.
Welcome [:D]
Inline search can find {D}
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What version of Logos do you have?
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This is what my search engine looks like:
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This is what my search engine looks like:
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I don't have two search windows like you do.
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Peter Kozushko said:
What version of Logos do you have?
Dark Mode is in Logos 9.2 Release Candidate 1 (has my purchased library)
SBLGNTAPP_Inline_Search.jpg)
Thankful can use Logos and Verbum at the same time. My demonstration library (order total of $ 0.00) is in Verbum 8.17 SR-3 that does not have UBS5 Apparatus so screen shot shows Society of Biblical Literature Edition Apparatus for the Greek New Testament pop-up: Inline Search
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Logos 8. It doesn't appear to have the same additional search that you have.
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Thankful can use Logos and Verbum at the same time. My demonstration library (order total of $ 0.00) is in Verbum 8.17 SR-3 that does not have UBS5 Apparatus so screen shot shows Society of Biblical Literature Edition Apparatus for the Greek New Testament pop-up: Inline Search
Oops [:P] as the only search in Logos & Verbum that can find special characters is Find (In This Panel)
Dreaming of UBS5 Apparatus resource modification to encode Variant Rating in its own field for searching (like Negative Apparatus Text & Positive Apparatus Text fields in SBLGNT & SBLGNTAPP)
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Bravo!!! Thanks.
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It is possible to mimic the Wordsearch Parallel Bible grid using multiple Text Comparison windows.
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Thanks John. I hadn't thought about doing this. I was able to set up 3 text comparisons on my main monitor with 5 translations in each text comparison. I can have my main bible in a floating window on my secondary monitor. Realistically I probably won't need 15 translations but nice to know I can bring them up if I need them. Now I just have to decide which translations I need in text comparison and then create a layout for them.
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I normally run with 12 version comparison. And I set it up to "Horizontal Columns" which is my preference. To me... that is "near" to what WS had...
Text comparison is something I do all the time. Where I worship, people use different versions... and I like to know what they are reading.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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I miss the ease and functionality of ZipScript
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I've kept ZipScript and use it to import versed into Word and PowerPoint. The verse copy feature works well in Logos for Word. You have to monkey around with formatting, when using PowerPoint, so I use ZipScript there.
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Instant Verse Study was also a favorite Wordseach feature of mine.
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Thanks for the input.
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I loved Word Search and the very useful item I miss, and now waste much time by not having is the great convenience of Zip Script. I can hardly wait until it becomes available in my Logos 8 software.
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William ORourke said:
I can hardly wait until it becomes available in my Logos 8 software.
Welcome [:D]
Logos 8 (& Verbum 8) are no longer supported (as of 3 Mar 2021) => https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007391412-About-Free-Support (so not anticipating any more Logos 8 & Verbum 8 software updates)
Suggest "purchasing" free Logos 9 Basic and/or Verbum 9 Basic for upgrading Logos 8 to Logos 9.
Faithlife feedback has 1 vote => add Zipscript application (surprising considering how many times Zipscript has been mentioned in this thread)
Caveat: new feedback website needs a separate login so please vote => Add the feedback website to the Faithlife SSO system that has 14 votes.
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William ORourke said:
I loved Word Search and the very useful item I miss, and now waste much time by not having is the great convenience of Zip Script. I can hardly wait until it becomes available in my Logos 8 software.
Not sure about all this, but I still use Zip Script all the time. It loads each time I boot or reboot my computer and I have it load when I hold Alt and click Z. Here is a post using the feature.
Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
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James H. Schafer said:William ORourke said:
I loved Word Search and the very useful item I miss, and now waste much time by not having is the great convenience of Zip Script. I can hardly wait until it becomes available in my Logos 8 software.
Not sure about all this, but I still use Zip Script all the time. It loads each time I boot or reboot my computer and I have it load when I hold Alt and click Z. Here is a post using the feature.
Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
On macOS Big Sur 11.2.3, am Thankful for Text Service => Replace with Passage, so selected Php 4.4-8 followed by Replace with Passage:
FYI: for Faithlife forum discussions, personally use Opera web browser on macOS. Also could use my modified keyboard shortcut.
Philippians 4:4–8 (LEB)
Be Anxious for Nothing
4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I say, rejoice. 5 Let your gentleness be made known to all people. The Lord is near. 6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honorable, whatever things are right, whatever things are pure, whatever things are pleasing, whatever things are commendable, if there is any excellence of character and if anything praiseworthy, think about these things.
Thankful for Logos & Verbum being usable at the same time: Verbum has my demonstration library with order total of $ 0.00 while Logos has my purchased library. Replace with Passage text service copies Bible verse(s) from highest prioritized Bible (Lexham English Bible in Verbum & Complete Jewish Bible in Logos). Logos Replace with Passage of pp 4.4-8
Philippians 4:4–8 (1998:CJB)
4 Rejoice in union with the Lord always! I will say it again: rejoice! 5 Let everyone see how reasonable and gentle you are. The Lord is near! 6 Don’t worry about anything; on the contrary, make your requests known to God by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving. 7 Then God’s shalom, passing all understanding, will keep your hearts and minds safe in union with the Messiah Yeshua. 8 In conclusion, brothers, focus your thoughts on what is true, noble, righteous, pure, lovable or admirable, on some virtue or on something praiseworthy.
Caveat: MS Word recent update is unfriendly to Text Services => Insert/replace Scripture reference in Word on a Mac no longer working while Messages needs additional paste => Replace with Passage (Logos) service not working for Logos 9.3.0.0040 in MacOS Big Sur 11.2.1's iMessage app
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I really enjoy how the cross-reference explorer is set up. I like being able to see all the books to the left that has search results and and I like being able to select which one to read.
I don't have to open a new window to read the result. I can read the result right inside of the cross reference explorer and copy information from it inside the current window without having to open the book in a new window.
It just seems to be more intuitive to my way of working.
In Logos I have to open every result in a new window just to be able to read over it before I can decide if I want to copy or paste it in my document or not. That extra step gets tedious if your reading over 10 or 20 or 50 search results.
I would like to be able to make the selection in Logos for how my search results appear. If I could I would select for them to appear just like they currently do in the Wordsearch cross reference explorer.
Thank You
Pastor Jesse Blevins
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Hi Jesse
Any chance of posting a screenshot of your Wordsearch Panel so that we can see if it is possible to replicate it?
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