New in Logos 9: Commentaries guide section redesign
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:André Kamphuis said:
Can someone explain to me what drives how the commentary titles appear in the new guides?
Sure! It uses (in order):
- Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
- OR Series title
- OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
- OR Resource title
We are judicious in coming up with series abbreviations, following the SBL style guide for the most part (iirc).
Shouldn't it be:
- User Series title
- OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
- OR Series title
- OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
- OR Resource title
where a User created series title trumps all?
User Resource abbrev or User Resource title don't affect the above, but one has to know that many titles are not given an abbreviation (Short title in resource Info).
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
Shouldn't it be:
- User Series title
- OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
- OR Series title
- OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
- OR Resource title
where a User created series title trumps all?
I reckon that's in with "Series title" now, but I see your point. I'll bring it up at the next meeting.
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:Dave Hooton said:
Shouldn't it be:
- User Series title
- OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
- OR Series title
- OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
- OR Resource title
where a User created series title trumps all?
I reckon that's in with "Series title" now, but I see your point. I'll bring it up at the next meeting.
If user-created series trumps series abbreviation, then I will no longer urgently desire user-editable series abbreviations ( https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/842 ).
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:Dave Hooton said:
Shouldn't it be:
- User Series title
- OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
- OR Series title
- OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
- OR Resource title
where a User created series title trumps all?
I reckon that's in with "Series title" now, but I see your point. I'll bring it up at the next meeting.
It wasn't a suggestion. I was aware it worked that way for Commentary Series, but I also validated that with a one-volume commentary. The User Series was also preferred to an Abbrev title.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Ah, my mistake. Carry on!
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:
Ah, my mistake. Carry on!
I was suggesting you had omitted one case.
Just agree that the order of evaluation is
- User Series title
- OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
- OR Series title
- OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
- OR Resource title
[:D]
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I concur.
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Dave Hooton said:
Just agree that the order of evaluation is
- User Series title
- OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
- OR Series title
- OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
- OR Resource title
Oh good. I'm glad that that's how it works now. Time to go edit some more commentary series in my library.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Sean Boisen said:
The Commentaries Guide is just the Commentaries section of the Passage Guide, exposed in its own panel. They're not different.
Thank you!
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I wonder how era is classified?
E.g. I don't understand why this resource https://www.logos.com/product/2190/a-textual-commentary-on-the-greek-new-testament is classified as Modern (1700-1959).
Thanks.
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Kolen Cheung said:
I wonder how era is classified?
Seem to remember era corresponds to year:
ante-nicene (AD 100-325)
nicene (AD 326-451)
byzantine (AD 452-1054)
medieval (AD 1055-1516)
reformation (AD 1517-1699)
modern (AD 1700-1959)
contemporary (AD 1960-present)
Kolen Cheung said:E.g. I don't understand why this resource https://www.logos.com/product/2190/a-textual-commentary-on-the-greek-new-testament is classified as Modern (1700-1959).
Concur since publication date of 1994 for second edition and 1970 for first edition should be contemporary.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Probably it is a bug. Because it is showing as modern in my end.
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Kolen Cheung said:
Probably it is a bug. Because it is showing as modern in my end.
Thanks, i've reported this issue.
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Sean Boisen said:
Thanks, i've reported this issue.
Thanks.
In other context one can right click and select "report typo" for problem like this. But in the Passage Guide, there seems to be no way to right click and "report typo". If that is implemented, may be it will be more efficient to report these problems and hence improve the quality of the tagging.
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Also, another potential bug report: NTTTC is classified as Exegetical but probably should be Apparatus?
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Is there a way to access the commentary grouping tags for collections?
It would be nice to be able to refine searches (especially mobile) to commentaries based on type or era.
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Josh Moore said:
Is there a way to access the commentary grouping tags for collections?
It would be nice to be able to refine searches (especially mobile) to commentaries based on type or era.
Within Passage Guide (or other guides), the Commentaries section provides these as options, but they don't align with resource metadata available to Collections. The Publication Date (pubdate) is close, but will not provide the same era as the Commentaries section e.g. the K&D Old Testament is a revised 1996 publication of a product originally published 1866-1891. era is based on the latter.
You might want to campaign for this on Faithlife Feedback
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Will these changes (sorting commentaries by various criteria; revamping the commentary displayed names) be coming to Logos 9 Mobile soon?
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BUMP
Added these requests on FL Feedback:
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Is it possible to list commentaries by "ascending" or "descending" dates, and not simply within an era?
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Paul Felix said:
Is it possible to list commentaries by "ascending" or "descending" dates, and not simply within an era?
You need to submit an additional request to the Feedback site - perhaps by adding a comment to an existing request (as above).
You could tag your commentaries according to date published (date originally published is used for era) and use that to assign them to different collections for use in Passage Guide. How you prioritise them will then determine the order in which they appear.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I wish Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries .... would pick up Personal Books that we designate as "Commentary".
At least... I can't seem to get it to.... I created a Personal book (a few) and designated them "Type: Commentary" and they are not picked up.
Did I do it wrong?
Edit: And it would be a nice feature to have the "Types" of the Commentaries to match the "Types" the Personal Books....
Edit #2: I re-compiled a Personal Book as a "Study Bible" and it picked it up. Cool beans!
Edit #3: It just doesn't pick up Personal Books compiled as "Commentary"... that I can find.
Edit #4: It doesn't pick up "Author" either.... Looks like only thing "Commentaries" pick up from Personal Books is if they are compiled as "Type: Study Bible"... and "Author".
I hope FL will consider working on this in the future.... [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
Edit #3: It just doesn't pick up Personal Books compiled as "Commentary"... that I can find.
From the wiki - https://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books#Resource_type_requirements
Bible Commentary
- Has Bible milestones for each passage with a commentary e.g. [[@Bible:Jn 1:9-10]]
- Headings can include bible milestones e.g. [[@Bible:Jn 1:1-18]] , but check that it doesn’t interfere with locating the actual commentary via the resource Reference box.
- Commentaries ideally comment on every verse
Does your Personal Book satisfy those requirements (particularly the first one)?
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Graham Criddle said:xnman said:
Edit #3: It just doesn't pick up Personal Books compiled as "Commentary"... that I can find.
From the wiki - https://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books#Resource_type_requirements
Bible Commentary
- Has Bible milestones for each passage with a commentary e.g. [[@Bible:Jn 1:9-10]]
- Headings can include bible milestones e.g. [[@Bible:Jn 1:1-18]] , but check that it doesn’t interfere with locating the actual commentary via the resource Reference box.
- Commentaries ideally comment on every verse
Does your Personal Book satisfy those requirements (particularly the first one)?
yes. It satisfies all three. My mistake... I need to do some work.... shucks! Thanks.
Edit: I played around with this a lot today... working with one of my Personal Books (compiled it as different "Type")... and for some reason... the "Commentaries" or "Monograph" or the other selections... would now work with anything the Personal Book was compiled with... except "Study Bible". But when the Personal Book is compiled as "Type: Study Bible" ... then it works.
I "think?" that it is because... the "Types" in Commentaries do not have "Commentary" as a Type... so again... I'm back to the idea... that the "Types" in Commentaries should match the "Types" in compiling a Personal Book. I wonder if this problem could crop in other places????
IMHO ... [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
the "Types" in Commentaries do not have "Commentary" as a Type.
No, if you look at your library you will see that the type is "Bible Commentary" -- "Commentary" is for non-Bible commentaries.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:xnman said:
the "Types" in Commentaries do not have "Commentary" as a Type.
No, if you look at your library you will see that the type is "Bible Commentary" -- "Commentary" is for non-Bible commentaries.
Don't mean any offense..... Either way... Was not talking about my library.... was talking about "Commentaries" as in "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" not picking up Personal Books.... It seems "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" only pick up Personal Books that are compiled with "Type: Study Bible" as the "Types" in "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" do not have choices like the "Types" in compiling Personal Books does. The only "Type" that is the same between the two are "Study Bible"....
... IMHO ... [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
was talking about "Commentaries" as in "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" not picking up Personal Books.... It seems "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" only pick up Personal Books that are compiled with "Type: Study Bible" as the "Types" in "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" do not have choices like the "Types" in compiling Personal Books does.
Strange in that the Commentaries Guide section works with both "Bible Commentary" and "Study Bible" Personal Books for me.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Strange in that the Commentaries Guide section works with both "Bible Commentary" and "Study Bible" Personal Books for me.
Well...now I'm confused more than I was confused before when I was confused, even when I thought I was not confused - lol.
My problem seems to be... that if I compile a PB with type "commentary" then the "Commentaries Guide" does not pick it up. But if I compile the same PB as "Study Bible" ... then the "Commentaries Guide" does pick it up.
1. Graham mentioned about milestones and I checked my PBs... and in one book I did have some bad milestones which I corrected. Yet this did not correct my problem (if it is a problem). In fact the PB that I corrected worked if I compile as "Study Bible" before I corrected it ....
2. I compiled some PB as "Commentary"... then reindexed everything... and waited till it finished... then rebooted Logos.. thinking maybe all that was the issue... .but same results.
3. I have a layout whereby I have the same PBs in it ... all linked and such.... and it works fine....
4. I'm ok compiling my PBs as "Study Bible".... I just don't know how that will affect my PBs with the rest of the Logos System.
And I am surely open for suggestions.... and wondering... how did I mess this up? hmmm [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
My problem seems to be... that if I compile a PB with type "commentary" then the "Commentaries Guide" does not pick it up. But if I compile the same PB as "Study Bible" ... then the "Commentaries Guide" does pick it up.
That is exactly what is expected. Type:Commentary is NOT for Bible commentaries, as MJ noted above. It is for commentaries on things that are not Bibles. Type:Bible-Commentary is for Bible commentaries. Type:Study-Bible also works.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Would you be kind enough to share this guide with me and/or make it public?
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