Help! Intertext section of Bible Books Explorer keeps searching wrong bible
The intertext section of the Bible Books Explorer keeps searching the CSB when I click on a bible book instead of my top prioritized bible (NRSV). I keep having to change the bible in the search results window to the NRSV. I've even tried to run a few simple searches in fresh search windows in the NRSV to get it to switch over to my last searched bible, but it insists on searching the CSB when I click on anything in the intertext panel. How do I make it stop doing this?
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Kiyah said:
How do I make it stop doing this?
I don't know!
For me I am getting the ESV where my highest prioritised Bible is the NIV
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Graham Criddle said:Kiyah said:
How do I make it stop doing this?
I don't know!
For me I am getting the ESV where my highest prioritised Bible is the NIV
Wow, well at least it's not just me. smh
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Kiyah said:
The intertext section of the Bible Books Explorer keeps searching the CSB when I click on a bible book instead of my top prioritized bible (NRSV). I keep having to change the bible in the search results window to the NRSV. I've even tried to run a few simple searches in fresh search windows in the NRSV to get it to switch over to my last searched bible, but it insists on searching the CSB when I click on anything in the intertext panel. How do I make it stop doing this?
I changed my preferred Bible and tried this, and it still went to my old preference. I restarted and now it's going to my new preference. Does this resolve the problem for you Kiyah?
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Sean Boisen said:
I changed my preferred Bible and tried this, and it still went to my old preference. I restarted and now it's going to my new preference. Does this resolve the problem for you Kiyah?
Yes it did. I had actually just done that and was coming back to the forums to update that restarting fixed it. Hopefully this quirk can be fixed in a subsequent update.
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By design, actually. It’s using the last setting of the panel. The search link in the interactive doesn’t set the resource in the search because (other) users get frustrated, eg, if you wanted the Greek NT but I keep forcibly setting it to your preferred Bible. Plus, many of these intertext sets have Catholic Bible refs in them, so we’d be selecting the top Bible that had all the results, which sometimes wouldn’t be your preferred, or we’d always set your preferred and (always) lose some results. This way puts you in control, at the expense of some annoyance when the last Bible you searched wasn’t the one you wanted.
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... and to be clear, you shouldn’t have to change your preferred Bible, just the resource parameter in the Search panel.
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:
By design, actually. It’s using the last setting of the panel. The search link in the interactive doesn’t set the resource in the search because (other) users get frustrated, eg, if you wanted the Greek NT but I keep forcibly setting it to your preferred Bible. Plus, many of these intertext sets have Catholic Bible refs in them, so we’d be selecting the top Bible that had all the results, which sometimes wouldn’t be your preferred, or we’d always set your preferred and (always) lose some results. This way puts you in control, at the expense of some annoyance when the last Bible you searched wasn’t the one you wanted.
I figured this was the case, which is why I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again, but it still kept searching the CSB (tried two or three searches in the NRSV before running the interext and it still didn't switch). I totally get what you're saying but it doesn't seem to actually be working the way you describe. If my last search was in the NRSV before I ran the next intertext search, why did it kept reaching back to the CSB? I certainly hope y'all didn't intend for me to have to restart the software to get it to switch to the bible I want.
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Kiyah said:
I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again
I believe the "last Bible" setting of the search panel is not saved until you close the search panel.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Consider also using the "Send searches here" option in the Search panel menu to reuse that search panel instead of opening a new one. This will allow you to adjust settings on the fly if you are doing multiple searches, and avoid having to close the panel.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Kiyah said:
I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again
I believe the "last Bible" setting of the search panel is not saved until you close the search panel.
I tried closing the panels before I resorted to restarting. When that didn't work I restarted.
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Consider also using the "Send searches here" option in the Search panel menu to reuse that search panel instead of opening a new one. This will allow you to adjust settings on the fly if you are doing multiple searches, and avoid having to close the panel.
Coincidentally, it seems to be working as designed since I've restarted. Maybe it just needed a dry run, that was the first time I had used that feature since upgrading.
I've created a "Bibles - Intertext" collection with just the EOB:NT and LES2 so that I can go back and forth between OT->NT and NT->OT searches without redundant results or constantly having to switch bibles. (I'm using the LES2 since it also has Ps Sol, Enoch, and Odes). And I've selected "send searches here" as you've suggested. That seems to be working well, especially since I can then add the NRSV as the comparison text.
Question: why are there no intext linkages with Enoch? Not even allusions/echos, or the citation in Jude 14-15?
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Kiyah said:Kiyah said:
I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again
I believe the "last Bible" setting of the search panel is not saved until you close the search panel.
I tried closing the panels before I resorted to restarting. When that didn't work I restarted.
Kiyah,
I'm not able to recreate what you are describing. Can you please try again and confirm that if you change the Bible it is not being used the next time? If you can would you upload your logs from the session you reproduce it in?
Thanks,
Philana
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Kiyah said:
Question: why are there no intext linkages with Enoch? Not even allusions/echos, or the citation in Jude 14-15?
I used the "NT use of the OT" dataset, which doesn't include those. I'd like to; I believe there are linkages in the Ancient Literature dataset, but I didn't farm any links from there.
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:Kiyah said:
Question: why are there no intext linkages with Enoch? Not even allusions/echos, or the citation in Jude 14-15?
I used the "NT use of the OT" dataset, which doesn't include those. I'd like to; I believe there are linkages in the Ancient Literature dataset, but I didn't farm any links from there.
Okay. Hopefully you'll be able to include Enoch in the future. That would be super helpful.
One more thing...I noticed that I can click on NT books that link to the books in the Apocrypha and get the search to execute and list all the Apocrypha verses, but when I click on a book in the Apocrypha to try to get a search of all the NT books that link to it, nothing comes up. The search seems to only be one-directional with the Apocrypha (i.e. NT->A but not A->NT). Why would this be the case? Is it because the Apocrypha aren't tagged with the "NT use of the OT" info?
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Kiyah said:
when I click on a book in the Apocrypha to try to get a search of all the NT books that link to it, nothing comes up.
That's a bug, which I'll look into ASAP. Apocryphal books should behave just like any other OT book does. (Barring any unforeseen issues, I should be able to copy over the links to Enoch while I'm at it.) Thanks for letting me know!
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:Kiyah said:
when I click on a book in the Apocrypha to try to get a search of all the NT books that link to it, nothing comes up.
That's a bug, which I'll look into ASAP. Apocryphal books should behave just like any other OT book does. (Barring any unforeseen issues, I should be able to copy over the links to Enoch while I'm at it.) Thanks for letting me know!
Awesome, thanks!
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Philana R. Crouch said:Kiyah said:Kiyah said:
I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again
I believe the "last Bible" setting of the search panel is not saved until you close the search panel.
I tried closing the panels before I resorted to restarting. When that didn't work I restarted.
Kiyah,
I'm not able to recreate what you are describing. Can you please try again and confirm that if you change the Bible it is not being used the next time? If you can would you upload your logs from the session you reproduce it in?
Thanks,
Philana
Philana, see my comment above, restarting seems to have magically resolved the problem.
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:
(Barring any unforeseen issues, I should be able to copy over the links to Enoch while I'm at it.)
Eli,
Are you still planning to copy the Enoch data into the Intertext tool? It's been a while and I still don't see the Enoch data being included. Including Enoch would be super helpful.
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This would be very helpful Kiyah. Thank you for bolstering this idea.
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Turns out there were unforeseen issues with integrating the Enoch data. (Sorry about not posting back.)
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:
Turns out there were unforeseen issues with integrating the Enoch data. (Sorry about not posting back.)
I do hope you'll be able to overcome those. It regularly drives me crazy that Enoch is listed in that cool BBE visualization but with no link to Jude (another way to look at it would be that books not treated in the dataset shouldn't appear in the visualization, as this implicitly claims there are no intertext relationships)
Have joy in the Lord!
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Yep, understood!
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Eli Evans (Faithlife) said:
Yep, understood!
In my ideal Bible software, all the books that have been used for scripture at some time by a significant historical ecclesial tradition would have the same coding as the canonical scripture. I would love to be able to pick up the names of Noah's wife from Jubilees, for example. It would make it so much easier to handle the Bible expressed in art and to understand pre-Reformation religious writings.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
In my ideal Bible software, all the books that have been used for scripture at some time by a significant historical ecclesial tradition would have the same coding as the canonical scripture
This is ideal in my world too.
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