Logos and the MacBook Air M1, compared to a maxed out 2019 MacBook Pro 16"
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So guys, one thing I haven't seen. Is there even a squeak from Faithlife on a Silicon native Logos app timeframe?
Forgive me in advance if this has been hashed out, but I haven't seen it yet. Thanks
Wilson Hines
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Wilson Hines said:
Is there even a squeak from Faithlife on a Silicon native Logos app timeframe?
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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A nice summary of the Apple M1 Macs (with several review videos and benchmarking) is available at:
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Gregory Lawhorn said:
I spent some time comparing my MacBook Pro 16" and the new MacBook Air M1 in Logos ..
Questions? Ask away!
Gregory, et al., because of this and a couple other great threads on here, I did a thing today....
I struggled quite a bit with the 1 TB versus 512 GB. I currently have a 2014 i7 15" MBP and it's got 8 GB and 256 GB which the 256 is maxed out. I felt like doubling to 512 would be practical, but in the long term, I think to keep it for 5-6 years, the 1 TB is practical and realistic.
Wilson Hines
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Wilson Hines said:
Gregory, et al., because of this and a couple other great threads on here, I did a thing today....
I struggled quite a bit with the 1 TB versus 512 GB. I currently have a 2014 i7 15" MBP and it's got 8 GB and 256 GB which the 256 is maxed out. I felt like doubling to 512 would be practical, but in the long term, I think to keep it for 5-6 years, the 1 TB is practical and realistic.
Good for you; my Pro is 2TB, and I'm glad. My Air is 512GB, since it's a secondary machine that's fine for me.
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Wilson Hines said:
Gregory, et al., because of this and a couple other great threads on here, I did a thing today....
I struggled quite a bit with the 1 TB versus 512 GB. I currently have a 2014 i7 15" MBP and it's got 8 GB and 256 GB which the 256 is maxed out. I felt like doubling to 512 would be practical, but in the long term, I think to keep it for 5-6 years, the 1 TB is practical and realistic.
That's exactly what I ordered too.
- 13-inch MacBook Pro, Apple M1 chip with 8-core CPU and 8-core GP and 16-core Neural Engine, 16GB unified memory, 1TB SSD storage
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Dan Lioy, Ph.D. said:
This review on Forbes might offer some insight: https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmoorhead/2020/11/21/apple-macbook-pro-13-m1-reviewwhy-you-might-want-to-pass/?sh=5846ecf0786a
One of the things this author suggests is that battery life isn't nearly as good as Apple claims when using certain apps in Roseta 2.
Does anyone with the new MacBook notice whether running Logos is a battery drain?
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Bill Anderson said:
Does anyone with the new MacBook notice whether running Logos is a battery drain?
It seemed pretty good this week during hours of sermon prep. This morning I ran Proclaim about 2 hours and my current battery is 86% (I hadn't touched it since church).
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Bill Anderson said:
Does anyone with the new MacBook notice whether running Logos is a battery drain?
Beyond this, we need to remember that Rosetta 2 is a stop-gap measure until developers get universalized versions released. It's not a deal breaker for me.
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But in all reality, if it gave me 10 hours I would be perfectly happy with that. If it gave me eight hours I would be happy.Bill Anderson said:Dan Lioy, Ph.D. said:This review on Forbes might offer some insight: https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmoorhead/2020/11/21/apple-macbook-pro-13-m1-reviewwhy-you-might-want-to-pass/?sh=5846ecf0786a
One of the things this author suggests is that battery life isn't nearly as good as Apple claims when using certain apps in Roseta 2.
Does anyone with the new MacBook notice whether running Logos is a battery drain?
Wilson Hines
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Gregory Lawhorn said:Bill Anderson said:
Does anyone with the new MacBook notice whether running Logos is a battery drain?
It seemed pretty good this week during hours of sermon prep. This morning I ran Proclaim about 2 hours and my current battery is 86% (I hadn't touched it since church).
I also think the following quote about 80% sums me up. “I think the new MacBook Pro 13” M1 will be fine for users who use 100% Apple software, stay primarily in Safari and don’t need to connect it to a bunch of peripherals.”
generally speaking, logos is primarily one of my only non-Apple used applications. I do use affinity and they have already come out with a Apple silicone version of their software. I also use a few other things like 1Password, and they’ve already re-compiled as well. as far as browsers, I use Safari 100% of the time.Wilson Hines
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Wilson Hines said:
I also think the following quote about 80% sums me up. “I think the new MacBook Pro 13” M1 will be fine for users who use 100% Apple software, stay primarily in Safari and don’t need to connect it to a bunch of peripherals.”
It's also fine for users (like me) who use a lot of non-Apple apps (Accordance, Logos, Word, Excel, Notability, OmniOutliner, Scrivener, Stream Deck) and various peripherals (a Stream Deck, an wireless Logitech keyboard, a Logitech web cam, etc).
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On the non-Logos side of comparison, I just compared importing and rendering yesterday's sermon video into Final Cut Pro on the MacBook Pro and MacBook Air. The Air finished when the Pro was still at 66% percent, at which point I quit FCP on both computers. The Pro's fans ran the whole time, and are still running a minute AFTER quitting FCP. The Air has no fans, and so I'm sure that it throttled the M1 back to keep heat down, but was still significantly faster than the Pro. So, I'm starting to give serious thought to Ebay'ing the Pro and picking up a 13" Pro with the M1.
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Gregory Lawhorn said:
I'm starting to give serious thought to Ebay'ing the Pro and picking up a 13" Pro with the M1.
I’m a quick thinker. I’ve ordered a 13” MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 1 TB storage. $10 a month with the 16” as a trade-in.
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Wow! $10.
I did not put anything on a credit card, but I do try to think like your thinking. In my mind I think about how much it cost me to own something over the lifetime that I do on it. For example my current i7 has cost me $30.13 a month to own for 6 1/2 years.
This new MacBook for the same months will cost me $26.28 per month. You can’t beat that.Wilson Hines
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I have also posted my old MacBook on craigslist and have not even got a nibble. I’m fine with that in all reality. But it would be nice to be able to recoup some of the money. They would only give me $350 for it in trade-in, and I just thought it was not worth giving the computer up for that.
Wilson Hines
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Wilson Hines said:
I have also posted my old MacBook on craigslist and have not even got a nibble. I’m fine with that in all reality. But it would be nice to be able to recoup some of the money. They would only give me $350 for it in trade-in, and I just thought it was not worth giving the computer up for that.
We move in to our church every week (in a local museum) but if I had a dedicated sound booth, I wouldn't mind putting an older Mac in it as a dedicated Proclaim machine, or recording the sermon audio each week. I've typically passed my laptops down to my kids, and there are also a couple of missionaries in the East who are using my old laptops.
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For those debating between the 13” MBP w/ 8 gigs vs. 16 gigs of RAM, the following video comparison is informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1_4wek4nI
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Dan Lioy, Ph.D. said:
For those debating between the 13” MBP w/ 8 gigs vs. 16 gigs of RAM, the following video comparison is informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1_4wek4nI
I’ll check that out when I’m on WIFI. Thanks.
For me personally, 16 GB is a no brainer simply from the perspective of owning the rig for five or more years. The thing I wrestled with was storage. It was hard for me to buy the 1TB, but I don’t regret it.
Wilson Hines
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Dan Lioy, Ph.D. said:
For those debating between the 13” MBP w/ 8 gigs vs. 16 gigs of RAM, the following video comparison is informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1_4wek4nI
More RAM doesn't make your machine faster. But it helps you run more apps and switch back and forth with less paging to the SSD. So, the 16-MB model would do better at running multiple apps, which the guy in the video doesn't test.
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Mike Prewitt said:Dan Lioy, Ph.D. said:
For those debating between the 13” MBP w/ 8 gigs vs. 16 gigs of RAM, the following video comparison is informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1_4wek4nI
More RAM doesn't make your machine faster. But it helps you run more apps and switch back and forth with less paging to the SSD. So, the 16-MB model would do better at running multiple apps, which the guy in the video doesn't test.
There’s no question about what you’re saying. That’s just old facts. I haven’t seen the video yet. The other side of the coin is if the RAM is over utilized, it will slow the system down.
Wilson Hines
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Mike Prewitt said:
More RAM doesn't make your machine faster. But it helps you run more apps and switch back and forth with less paging to the SSD. So, the 16-MB model would do better at running multiple apps, which the guy in the video doesn't test.
Too true. Even at 8GB the Air was the match of the Pro. I think 16GB would provide modest gains, but not major ones.
"The Guy In The Video"
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Testing is so often linear but people using them are so often working in a non-linear fashion that defies traditional tests.
The M1 appears to operate like its siblings on an iPad. I never notice that I have a half dozen apps open unless I look. On a traditional computer, that often becomes a big headache but not on the iPad.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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Jon Varner said:
Do both machines have the same amount of ram and same sized SSD?
If you mean the Air and Pro in the original post, no: the Air has 8GB and the Pro has 32GB. Was that your question, or did I miss it?
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mab said:
Testing is so often linear but people using them are so often working in a non-linear fashion that defies traditional tests.
That's true, and the reason I didn't just do a benchmark test. Even my testing was limited, clearly. My experience with the Air over the past several days, though, convinced me to pick up a 13" Pro and trade in my 16" Pro.
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It'll be a few weeks before my 13" Pro gets here, but I'll repeat the same tests I did in the video, and compare times. I probably won't upload a video, unless it's dramatically different, but I'll get the results listed.
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Gregory Lawhorn said:Mike Prewitt said:
More RAM doesn't make your machine faster. But it helps you run more apps and switch back and forth with less paging to the SSD. So, the 16-MB model would do better at running multiple apps, which the guy in the video doesn't test.
"The Guy In The Video"
I was referring to the YouTube video posted by Dan, and not yours.
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Ah - I didn’t understand, thanksMike Prewitt said:I was referring to the YouTube video posted by Dan, and not yours.
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So you own a MacBook Air and a MacBook Pro? If so, which do you recommend for Logos?
I’m thinking of getting the MacBook Air (M1, 2020) based on this thread, but noticed it doesn’t have a graphics card. Logos recommends a graphics card. How will no graphics card on the MacBook Air effect speed?0 -
Gregory Lawhorn said:Gregory Lawhorn said:
I'm starting to give serious thought to Ebay'ing the Pro and picking up a 13" Pro with the M1.
I’m a quick thinker. I’ve ordered a 13” MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 1 TB storage. $10 a month with the 16” as a trade-in.
So you own a MacBook Air and a MacBook Pro? If so, which do you recommend for Logos? I’m thinking of getting the MacBook Air (M1, 2020) based on this thread, but noticed it doesn’t have a graphics card. Logos recommends a graphics card. How will no graphics card on the MacBook Air effect speed?
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