Lexham Research Commentary Update?
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Jude and 2 Peter are closest to being ready. The third is TBD depending on author submissions.
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Looks like Luke and 2-3 John have been changed from "Ships Q4-2023" back to "In Production". Luckily Ruth, Daniel, Jude and 2 Peter still say they're shipping in Q4.
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Jon said:
Looks like Luke and 2-3 John have been changed from "Ships Q4-2023" back to "In Production". Luckily Ruth, Daniel, Jude and 2 Peter still say they're shipping in Q4.
Luke's not going to get done in time for this year's release. Jude and 2 Peter are in revisions and editing. I just received the submission for 2–3 John, and there's still an outside chance we can get through it in time.
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Quick update. Getting some of these volumes finalized has been my priority lately, but it is looking like they will ultimately release in early 2024 due to the digital production time needed once I'm finished. I hope to hand off the content still this year, but it's taking longer for me to finish the editorial than I'd planned. Expect to see Jude, 2 Peter, Ruth, Daniel, and 2–3 John by Q2 next year (probably with some in Q1). Later next year, I should have a few more in the editorial process, too, depending on when writers turn things in.
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Thanks Doug! Any updates on the LCC?
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Mattillo said:
Any updates on the LCC?
It's in the queue behind LRC and Geographic Commentary (fighting several other projects for third place in my attention).
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Doug Mangum said:Mattillo said:
Any updates on the LCC?
It's in the queue behind LRC and Geographic Commentary (fighting several other projects for third place in my attention).
Thank you Doug. I am really looking forward to the completed LCC NT and OT. Going through Kings now and wish I had it
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In light of March Matchups, are there any volumes slated for release this year or next?Doug Mangum (Lexham) said:Quick update. Getting some of these volumes finalized has been my priority lately, but it is looking like they will ultimately release in early 2024 due to the digital production time needed once I'm finished. I hope to hand off the content still this year, but it's taking longer for me to finish the editorial than I'd planned. Expect to see Jude, 2 Peter, Ruth, Daniel, and 2–3 John by Q2 next year (probably with some in Q1). Later next year, I should have a few more in the editorial process, too, depending on when writers turn things in.
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Beloved Amodeo said:
In light of March Matchups, are there any volumes slated for release this year or next?
LRC Jude, 2 Peter, and 2–3 John are closest to being out of editorial and should be released this year still. Ruth and Daniel are next on my list after those. There are some other volumes due to be submitted by authors this year, too, so I hope to get more things out next year depending on what comes in.
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Really disappointed that LRC Jude, 2 Peter, 2–3 John, Ruth and Daniel, all of which were showing a release of 5/31/24 on the prepub page, have now been pushed back to a date of "Q4 2024." That doesn't bode well for any of them actually getting released this year, and is frustrating that they they were pushed back yet again, only a couple weeks before their scheduled release date.
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Jon said:
Really disappointed that LRC Jude, 2 Peter, 2–3 John, Ruth and Daniel, all of which were showing a release of 5/31/24 on the prepub page, have now been pushed back to a date of "Q4 2024." That doesn't bode well for any of them actually getting released this year, and is frustrating that they they were pushed back yet again, only a couple weeks before their scheduled release date.
Considering everything on the plate of the Lexham editors, I view this as a minor setback. Translated this likely means they will dribble out when they are done. I would love to see them sooner since I paid for them ages ago but I once worked as an editor and know what happens that most readers never see.
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mab said:Jon said:
Really disappointed that LRC Jude, 2 Peter, 2–3 John, Ruth and Daniel, all of which were showing a release of 5/31/24 on the prepub page, have now been pushed back to a date of "Q4 2024." That doesn't bode well for any of them actually getting released this year, and is frustrating that they they were pushed back yet again, only a couple weeks before their scheduled release date.
Considering everything on the plate of the Lexham editors, I view this as a minor setback. Translated this likely means they will dribble out when they are done. I would love to see them sooner since I paid for them ages ago but I once worked as an editor and know what happens that most readers never see.
What I'm saying is, shouldn't the Logos team have realized that these 5 volumes weren't ready for release a little sooner than two weeks before the scheduled release date? They clearly aren't even close to being ready if they are getting pushed back to Q4. It gets our hopes up that they're finally going to be released after years of waiting when there's a date next to a resource on the prepub page, only to see it get removed at the 11th hour.
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Jon said:
What I'm saying is, shouldn't the Logos team have realized that these 5 volumes weren't ready for release a little sooner than two weeks before the scheduled release date? They clearly aren't even close to being ready if they are getting pushed back to Q4. It gets our hopes up that they're finally going to be released after years of waiting when there's a date next to a resource on the prepub page, only to see it get removed at the 11th hour.
My apologies. I lost track of when we'd moved the release date to, so I'd neglected to have it updated sooner. The current placeholder release window is intentionally pushing things later than I hope to need, esp. for the NT ones. The OT ones aren't as far along in the process, so they may need more time. The release date also depends on how long resource production takes once I hand over the files. I know these are continually pushed back. It frustrates me as well. I can't guarantee something else won't come up to cause delays, but the series in in my short list of top priorities. Once I finish with my current priority, I will switch to focus on moving the Historical Books volumes for the Geographic Commentary ahead to their next stage of production. After that, LRCs will be the focus. Hoping to be on to LRCs by the end of June. We will all be much happier when they are completed.
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Thank you Doug! Will the LCC follow after that?
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Mattillo said:
Will the LCC follow after that?
It's on the list. I don't want to set expectations too far out. Two volumes of Geographic Commentary and five of LRC are going to keep me busy for a while. Plus I have several other projects in the mix yet. My backlist is sadly quite long. I need to find some concentrated time to focus on wrapping up some of these things. LCC will be a priority after some of these others have been cleared.
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Doug Mangum (Lexham) said:
Hoping to be on to LRCs by the end of June. We will all be much happier when they are completed.
Haha! I hear ya, and my apologies for venting. Thank you for the update and I do appreciate your efforts. Glad to hear that hopefully they may come out sooner than Q4.
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These have been bumped again...which is beyond frustrating. For weeks they were showing a 10/2 ship date for quite a few of these, Luke, Daniel, Ruth, 2-3 John, etc. Suddenly, as of today they are back to "in production"....is there a way to avoid continually getting our hopes up on these, only to move them last minute?
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I think the system must set dates when they put them in there as I had another non-lexham book that was scheduled to ship yesterday. I knew it wasn't going to because the hardback isn't out yet but I don't think it is nefarious in any way. I do agree it can be frustrating.
Doug is doing his best and I'm surprised he isn't getting much help to finish these projects. L11 will probably come out soon and resources like the LCC that were sold in L10, are still unfinished.
Pray for Doug
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Jon said:
....is there a way to avoid continually getting our hopes up on these, only to move them last minute?
No! Is not like you will use them right away, anyway. You’ve survived without them this long, waiting til Logos 14 won’t hurt your feelings more, will it? 😂😂😂
DAL
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DAL said:Jon said:
....is there a way to avoid continually getting our hopes up on these, only to move them last minute?
No! Is not like you will use them right away, anyway. You’ve survived without them this long, waiting til Logos 14 won’t hurt your feelings more, will it? 😂😂😂
DAL
My Logos library is passed to my kids in my will, and if these delays keep happening, it will be them enjoying the LRC volumes...or maybe my grandkids yet to be born.
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Mattillo said:
I think the system must set dates when they put them in there as I had another non-lexham book that was scheduled to ship yesterday. I knew it wasn't going to because the hardback isn't out yet but I don't think it is nefarious in any way. I do agree it can be frustrating.
Not at all saying it's nefarious. Just frustrated, as you'd think the dates in the system would be moved further in advance than 2 weeks from the ship date if they aren't even close to being ready.
Similar to you, I had the unfortunate experience of waiting for a different prepub to download yesterday, and after it never came, checking to discover it had been moved indefinitely. Was yours also volume 2 of Habermas's On the Resurrection? The hardback for that one has in fact been released. This one was particularly bad, as it was still showing a Logos release of yesterday as of the night before.
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Jon said:
Not at all saying it's nefarious. Just frustrated, as you'd think the dates in the system would be moved further in advance than 2 weeks from the ship date if they aren't even close to being ready.
I have no insider knowledge, but have you considered what Logos should do with books that are deeply discounted in packages when they are due to be released at less of a discount within 30 days of the package release? How many customers would be upset and return the book only to repurchase it in a package? or request that customer service do the same gymnastics to give them a partial refund?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Jon said:Mattillo said:
I think the system must set dates when they put them in there as I had another non-lexham book that was scheduled to ship yesterday. I knew it wasn't going to because the hardback isn't out yet but I don't think it is nefarious in any way. I do agree it can be frustrating.
Not at all saying it's nefarious. Just frustrated, as you'd think the dates in the system would be moved further in advance than 2 weeks from the ship date if they aren't even close to being ready.
Similar to you, I had the unfortunate experience of waiting for a different prepub to download yesterday, and after it never came, checking to discover it had been moved indefinitely. Was yours also volume 2 of Habermas's On the Resurrection? The hardback for that one has in fact been released. This one was particularly bad, as it was still showing a Logos release of yesterday as of the night before.
My apologies on the nefarious comment. I should have framed that differently. And yes I was referencing Habermas' book. I had to check your comment and it has definitely been released! My Christian Book order is backordered which is why I thought it was still not published yet. Guess I wait on both ends now...
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MJ. Smith said:Jon said:
Not at all saying it's nefarious. Just frustrated, as you'd think the dates in the system would be moved further in advance than 2 weeks from the ship date if they aren't even close to being ready.
I have no insider knowledge, but have you considered what Logos should do with books that are deeply discounted in packages when they are due to be released at less of a discount within 30 days of the package release? How many customers would be upset and return the book only to repurchase it in a package? or request that customer service do the same gymnastics to give them a partial refund?
I've seen this situation more frequently than one would think actually (I'm realizing now how many prepubs I have). Typically the package prepub and the individual prepubs go up at the same time. For example, the Zondervan Counterpoints Series (43 vols.) update is scheduled to be released at the end of the month, which adds 3 new volumes to the previous package. However, two of those volumes have already been released out of prepub over the past few months, it's just one of the volumes that is still in prepub and has been holding up the release of the package. The prepub for the package was a better deal than purchasing the prepubs for each of the three new volumes (I priced it out) so I was willing to wait until the entire package was released. Some people who need the individual volumes earlier may choose to pay a little more to have them sooner. That said, it's totally fair game for a customer to return and repurchase something within the 30 day window if they can get a better deal on it in a package. From my experience, Logos customer support has always been more than happy to do this.
I am a bit confused by your question though, as it doesn't seem relevant to the rest of the discussion topic? I was originally referring to some of the individual volumes of the LRC being given release dates of October 2nd earlier in the summer, and then (literally a day after I added a bunch of credit to my account to cover the purchases) they were suddenly moved back to "in production" about two weeks before their expected release. The LRC packages have been out there for years, but since al wasn't all of the volumes they were set to be released on 10/2, only a handful, I don't think it had anything to do with that.
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Jon said:
I am a bit confused by your question though, as it doesn't seem relevant to the rest of the discussion topic?
I was thinking that they may have been moved back to correspond to a more major release of resources.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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This was purely an oversight about the 10/2 dates. No grand plan about saving them for subscriptions or base package libraries. I did not realize they had release dates attached until the day before the dates were pulled. We will not be putting release dates on LRC volumes anymore until the content is ready for the Logos resource build process to begin. I apologize for the delay and the disappointment. I still hope to get some of them out within the next few months.
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Ok let’s give Doug a nice break! Don’t ask for updates until September 19, 2025! Y’all have survived without those resources for years, so waiting another year without asking will take away some of the unnecessary pressure from the burden that’s already there. I’m sure Doug will appreciate it and he might get ahead faster and update us with a surprise before you know it!
DAL
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Doug Mangum (Lexham) said:
This was purely an oversight about the 10/2 dates. No grand plan about saving them for subscriptions or base package libraries. I did not realize they had release dates attached until the day before the dates were pulled. We will not be putting release dates on LRC volumes anymore until the content is ready for the Logos resource build process to begin. I apologize for the delay and the disappointment. I still hope to get some of them out within the next few months.
Thank you Doug!
Don't forget about the LCC
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Doug - Any optimism for getting any of the LRC volumes out in 2025 (especially some of the ones that have been up for 6+ years….Ruth, Daniel, Matthew, Luke, etc)? I think you also said Jude and 2 Peter were very close at one point.
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Yes, I aim to get several out this year. The last few years have been two steps forward, one step back over and over again on a number of fronts for me. We had a much larger team working on these things in the past. Anyway, a lot of what's been up for preorder or pre-pub isn't submitted from the author yet. I do have Jude, 2 Peter, 2–3 John, Ruth, and Daniel, so with luck, I will get those out this year.
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