Liturgy of The Hours
Curious of the status of the LOTH for the Roman Rite. I see it is still in production. I don't miss what I don't have but it is supposed to be part of my library.
Thanks,
KSC
“Let us begin, brothers, to serve the Lord God, for up until now we have done little or nothing.” St. Francis of Assisi
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I seem to recall that it was supposed to be ready a couple of weeks after Verbum 9 was released
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It's not shipping immediately at launch as we put the finishing touches on it, but I'm excited to announce that the English edition of the Liturgy of the Hours is available for American customers in Verbum 9 Gold and above.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/174173/1127402.aspx#1127402
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Copy that...but Donald's comments were October 26, 2020. We are now at the end of March 2021.
Is it coming soon? Delays? What is the status?
Thanks,
KSC
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We've been testing and fixing things with a group of beta testers, and we're getting close. But this is such an important resource that we want to make sure we release something good.
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Donald,
Thank you. And yes, it is an important resource, so I thank you for the diligence and hard work of all. I look forward to it being added to my library.
Thank you also for the work you do for Verbum. It is fantastic.
KSC
“Let us begin, brothers, to serve the Lord God, for up until now we have done little or nothing.” St. Francis of Assisi
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I see the loth is now downloaded, but I dont see how to open and use it yet.
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It opened for me to today's date
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Does Not have readings for every day?
today: May 12 NEREUS AND ACHILLEUS, MARTYRS
next reading:
On the same day, May 12 PANCRAS, MARTYR
next reading:
May 14 MATTHIAS, APOSTLE
next reading:
May 18 JOHN I, POPE AND MARTYR
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yea it brought up wed but i dont see how to open up the proper psalms etc
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Check table of contents. To get all of the needed readings we may need to "jump around" in the book.
[[Or in other words I don't know how to use it either. Somebody will teach us!]]
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David Ames said:
Somebody will teach us!]]
This post over at the Verbum Blog from a couple of weeks back indicated something like a "how-to" guide would be forthcoming:
If such musings have convinced you to give it a go (and I hope they have!), then stay tuned for a follow-up post in which I will walk you through how to study the Liturgy of the Hours using the Verbum app.
Until then, we have to await the arrival of our own Philip: "Do you understand how to use LOTH in Verbum?"
"How can I, unless someone guides me?"
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Where are you finding this? I haven’t seen it for my tablet. Is it currently only for the desktop?
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David Wanat said:
I haven’t seen it for my tablet. Is it currently only for the desktop?
Typically when resources are released, there is a day or so lag before they hit mobile. My guess is that is what is going on in this instance...
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Kevin Clemens said:David Wanat said:
I haven’t seen it for my tablet. Is it currently only for the desktop?
Typically when resources are released, there is a day or so lag before they hit mobile. My guess is that is what is going on in this instance...
That’s true, I had forgotten that happened with the Catholic Encyclopedia.
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David Ames said:
Does Not have readings for every day?
Spoiler Alert:
Yes, LotH does. You're looking in the section that only has readings for feast days. Since not every day is a feast day, that section doesn't have readings for every day.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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SineNomine said:
You're looking in the section that only has readings for feast days.
It was what came up. Waiting for the training manual. [[Did look and saw that there are lots of 'sections']] [thanks for the advise]
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David Ames said:
Waiting for the training manual
In the meantime, if you are clicking around the LOTH resource in Verbum and wanting a better feel for what the various components are, there are a number of helpful overviews of praying the divine office on youtube, including this fairly simple presentation from Fr. Cassidy Stinson ("the Happy Priest").
Glad to have this resource available finally in Verbum (and eager for the Liturgia Horarum to make it into production).
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We have a blog post going up about using Liturgy of the Hours in Verbum and more training materials in the works.
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It's now released if you purchased a base package that includes it. If you preordered Liturgy of the Hours by itself, the release date will be later this month.
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Any hopes for a card for the desktop?
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Thank you so much for all the hard work.
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My copy opened up to Thursday of the Fifth Week of Easter, but not Ascension Thursday (which it is in some US dioceses).
Looking over the presentation, my guess is that, if someone wishes to pray from the Verbum LOTH, they would do well to set up a Layout in the desktop version that would open LOTH in two windows and have another window for the Scripture readings that are not included in Verbum LOTH but only linked. It's possible to jump back and forth, say, from the psalms for a feast day and the antiphons for that day, but that would be awkward to do on the Verbum mobile app.
The layout and appearance of LOTH in Verbum is basically the same as the print version. Nicely done! It has a lot of potential. What it needs for those who want to pray from this is the ability, like that of apps like iBreviary and Divine Office, to present all the hours of the day - with all psalms and readings - right there on one page. That might be a lot of work, but it would be worth it.
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This might be helpful...
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We have more blog posts about using Liturgy of the Hours coming after this one (and more work to do to make it easier to use).
A lot of the limitations on what we can do in this case are imposed on us by the nature of our licensing agreements.
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We have more blog posts about using Liturgy of the Hours coming after this one (and more work to do to make it easier to use).
A lot of the limitations on what we can do in this case are imposed on us by the nature of our licensing agreements.
Will you be able to make a page of links similar to the daily missal?
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David Wanat said:
We have more blog posts about using Liturgy of the Hours coming after this one (and more work to do to make it easier to use).
A lot of the limitations on what we can do in this case are imposed on us by the nature of our licensing agreements.
Will you be able to make a page of links similar to the daily missal?
I would love that, but I have no timeline for when that will be possible. Part of the issue is licensing, as I mentioned.
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David Wanat said:
We have more blog posts about using Liturgy of the Hours coming after this one (and more work to do to make it easier to use).
A lot of the limitations on what we can do in this case are imposed on us by the nature of our licensing agreements.
Will you be able to make a page of links similar to the daily missal?
I would love that, but I have no timeline for when that will be possible. Part of the issue is licensing, as I mentioned.
I was hoping that wouldn’t be part of it. But it is what it is
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As a follow up, LOTH is available on mobile today
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My copy of LotH (surprise) downloaded today. Clicking on the -Today- link doesn't seem to do anything, and I have absolutely no idea how to navigate within this thing. Any pointers?
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I click on "Today" and nothing happens.
I sure hope this is NOT normal because it really makes LOTH valueless to me without this feature.
There were comments about some restrictions because of licensing, I sure hope this isn't one of the restrictions.
[EDIT] The "Today" does work in the mobile app under Android. Just not Windows or in the browser app.
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
I click on "Today" and nothing happens.
I sure hope this is NOT normal because it really makes LOTH valueless to me without this feature.
There were comments about some restrictions because of licensing, I sure hope this isn't one of the restrictions.
Some problems I found: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/200880/1167078.aspx#1167078
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I edited my post to show it works in Android.
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
I edited my post to show it works in Android.
Apparently not for iPadOS however. Clicking “today” takes me to page 1 of the volumes.
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Fr. Devin's blog post should be helpful: https://blog.verbum.com/2021/05/studying-the-faith-with-the-liturgy-of-hours/
One of the things he notes is that Liturgy of the Hours works in the Lectionary layout.
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Fr. Devin's blog post should be helpful: https://blog.verbum.com/2021/05/studying-the-faith-with-the-liturgy-of-hours/
One of the things he notes is that Liturgy of the Hours works in the Lectionary layout.
Thank you for linking that. I will look into implementing it 🙂
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RE: the "Today" button, I find that this morning (5/21/2021), when I click the Today link in LotH, it has no effect. If i manually enter "May 21" into the location/navigation box within the LotH resource itself, it likewise has no effect. However, if I enter "Easter Time 7 Fri" into the location/navigation box for LotH, it automatically navigates to Vol 2. > Prop. of Seasons > Easter > Seventh Sunday of Easter > Friday (which is today).
It seems like the Today button in LotH works correctly on feast days of Saints, and works not so well on regular days like today. I obtained today's liturgical date ("Easter Time 7 Fri") from Word of Life: Daily Scripture Companion, which I have in a linkset with the Roman Missal in my Lectionary Reading layout; the Missal navigates to the correct day automatically, then when the linked Word of Life navigates along via the linkset, that liturgical date of "Easter Time 7 Fri" shows up in the location/navigation box, where I can grab it. Would it be possible for resources like Word of Life and the LotH to be able to do the calendar date (5/21/2021) to liturgical date conversion by themselves?
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Brian Losabia said:
It seems like the Today button in LotH works correctly on feast days of Saints, and works not so well on regular days like today. I obtained today's liturgical date ("Easter Time 7 Fri") from Word of Life: Daily Scripture Companion, which I have in a linkset with the Roman Missal in my Lectionary Reading layout; the Missal navigates to the correct day automatically, then when the linked Word of Life navigates along via the linkset, that liturgical date of "Easter Time 7 Fri" shows up in the location/navigation box, where I can grab it. Would it be possible for resources like Word of Life and the LotH to be able to do the calendar date (5/21/2021) to liturgical date conversion by themselves?
AFAIK, Verbum/Logos has no built-in tool for converting (any) liturgical dates into calendar dates or vice versa.
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Brian Losabia said:
RE: the "Today" button, I find that this morning (5/21/2021), when I click the Today link in LotH, it has no effect. If i manually enter "May 21" into the location/navigation box within the LotH resource itself, it likewise has no effect. However, if I enter "Easter Time 7 Fri" into the location/navigation box for LotH, it automatically navigates to Vol 2. > Prop. of Seasons > Easter > Seventh Sunday of Easter > Friday (which is today).
It seems like the Today button in LotH works correctly on feast days of Saints, and works not so well on regular days like today. I obtained today's liturgical date ("Easter Time 7 Fri") from Word of Life: Daily Scripture Companion, which I have in a linkset with the Roman Missal in my Lectionary Reading layout; the Missal navigates to the correct day automatically, then when the linked Word of Life navigates along via the linkset, that liturgical date of "Easter Time 7 Fri" shows up in the location/navigation box, where I can grab it. Would it be possible for resources like Word of Life and the LotH to be able to do the calendar date (5/21/2021) to liturgical date conversion by themselves?
Verbum's Liturgical date coverage still needs some work. Today's date (Saturday May 22) doesn't work at all with either the Lectionary or the Liturgy of the Hours, for example.
One of the features that we still need on the Home Page card is for the selection of the date to not actually open the Layout, but to simply give you the options for the Liturgical Date. For example, today's options are (1) Saturday of the Seventh Week of Easter, or (2) St. Rita or (3) Pentecost Vigil. These options have already been identified (quite accurately as best I can see) in the Catholic Daily Readings resource.
Only after you select which of those options you want should the Liturgical Layout open up, and then it should navigate all liturgical resources to the option you chose, but defaulting to another one of the options for the day in the case that the option you chose does not exist in the resource.
Another functionality that I find would be helpful for the proper working of these resources would be the ability to indicate a Master-Slave relationship in the linksets. In a master-slave linkset, moving around the master option would navigate all the slave resources with it. But moving a slave resource would not affect the master resources. This would allow us to use linksets with all these resources in a fruitful way, I believe. Currently with a master-master relationship, I find it to be better to avoid linksets.
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Fr Devin Roza said:Brian Losabia said:
RE: the "Today" button, I find that this morning (5/21/2021), when I click the Today link in LotH, it has no effect. If i manually enter "May 21" into the location/navigation box within the LotH resource itself, it likewise has no effect. However, if I enter "Easter Time 7 Fri" into the location/navigation box for LotH, it automatically navigates to Vol 2. > Prop. of Seasons > Easter > Seventh Sunday of Easter > Friday (which is today).
It seems like the Today button in LotH works correctly on feast days of Saints, and works not so well on regular days like today. I obtained today's liturgical date ("Easter Time 7 Fri") from Word of Life: Daily Scripture Companion, which I have in a linkset with the Roman Missal in my Lectionary Reading layout; the Missal navigates to the correct day automatically, then when the linked Word of Life navigates along via the linkset, that liturgical date of "Easter Time 7 Fri" shows up in the location/navigation box, where I can grab it. Would it be possible for resources like Word of Life and the LotH to be able to do the calendar date (5/21/2021) to liturgical date conversion by themselves?
Verbum's Liturgical date coverage still needs some work. Today's date (Saturday May 22) doesn't work at all with either the Lectionary or the Liturgy of the Hours, for example.
One of the features that we still need on the Home Page card is for the selection of the date to not actually open the Layout, but to simply give you the options for the Liturgical Date. For example, today's options are (1) Saturday of the Seventh Week of Easter, or (2) St. Rita or (3) Pentecost Vigil. These options have already been identified (quite accurately as best I can see) in the Catholic Daily Readings resource.
Only after you select which of those options you want should the Liturgical Layout open up, and then it should navigate all liturgical resources to the option you chose, but defaulting to another one of the options for the day in the case that the option you chose does not exist in the resource.
Another functionality that I find would be helpful for the proper working of these resources would be the ability to indicate a Master-Slave relationship in the linksets. In a master-slave linkset, moving around the master option would navigate all the slave resources with it. But moving a slave resource would not affect the master resources. This would allow us to use linksets with all these resources in a fruitful way, I believe. Currently with a master-master relationship, I find it to be better to avoid linksets.
Agreed, Father
I would like it if they created a card like what they have for lectionary in the mobile app. With that, each day’s readings have a link to the prayers and to the readings of the day. If there are more than one option there are similar links for each option.
I imagine a LOTH option would have links to the psalmody and the readings/prayers for each option for the day. It would be bigger than the lectionary card, but that’s because there would be more hours.
That would solve one of the two major problems. The second problem (linking to our preferred Bible instead of the approved text) is probably a permissions issue.
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Fr Devin Roza said:
One of the features that we still need on the Home Page card is for the selection of the date to not actually open the Layout, but to simply give you the options for the Liturgical Date. For example, today's options are (1) Saturday of the Seventh Week of Easter, or (2) St. Rita or (3) Pentecost Vigil. These options have already been identified (quite accurately as best I can see) in the Catholic Daily Readings resource.
Only after you select which of those options you want should the Liturgical Layout open up, and then it should navigate all liturgical resources to the option you chose, but defaulting to another one of the options for the day in the case that the option you chose does not exist in the resource.
Another functionality that I find would be helpful for the proper working of these resources would be the ability to indicate a Master-Slave relationship in the linksets. In a master-slave linkset, moving around the master option would navigate all the slave resources with it. But moving a slave resource would not affect the master resources. This would allow us to use linksets with all these resources in a fruitful way, I believe. Currently with a master-master relationship, I find it to be better to avoid linksets.
That calendar/day picker function would be great. How awesome would it be, to be able to add that picker/control functionality to any resource which could do date-based navigation?
I also like the idea of a master-slave (unidirectional?) link set. I've used "Send Hyperlinks Here" as a sort of workaround at times, although a one-way link set would be very cool, and would save screen real estate/system memory when compared to a dedicated hyperlink target window.
Thanks for FCS, Father! It's a killer resource to have in Logos/Verbum.
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Brian Losabia said:Fr Devin Roza said:
Another functionality that I find would be helpful for the proper working of these resources would be the ability to indicate a Master-Slave relationship in the linksets. In a master-slave linkset, moving around the master option would navigate all the slave resources with it. But moving a slave resource would not affect the master resources. This would allow us to use linksets with all these resources in a fruitful way, I believe. Currently with a master-master relationship, I find it to be better to avoid linksets.
I also like the idea of a master-slave (unidirectional?) link set. I've used "Send Hyperlinks Here" as a sort of workaround at times, although a one-way link set would be very cool, and would save screen real estate/system memory when compared to a dedicated hyperlink target window.
The master-slave or unidirectional link set is available when you put resources into a multi-resource pane. The first/left resource is the master, all others are the slaves.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Brian Losabia said:
Thanks for FCS, Father! It's a killer resource to have in Logos/Verbum.
Glad you find it useful! [:)] The project for the book actually was a fruit of conversations with Andrew Jones about what type of resources / books Verbum might need!
NB.Mick said:The master-slave or unidirectional link set is available when you put resources into a multi-resource pane. The first/left resource is the master, all others are the slaves.
Yes, very true! The disadvantage, of course, to the multi-resource pane is that all the texts have to be visible on the screen at the same time. For the liturgical texts, this isn't ideal (unless you have a really big monitor!), especially if you also want to have the Bible and maybe a commentary, etc. open as well, as in the Lectionary layout. In the Lectionary layout all the liturgical resources are hidden one behind the other as tabs, which solves the screen real-estate problem, but unfortunately there is no master-slave possibility in that case.
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It only works if there's a feast day. It does not work for May 22, also for Saturdays the Evening Prayer for the next day, Sunday should be given.
Logos advertised this as something that would eliminate page flipping and ribbons (bookmarks), is this going to become available? Right now LOTH is not useful at all for me in Verbum.
LOTH is something to pray, I certainly understand why ribbons and page flipping are needed in a printed LOTH if it was printed in linear form the books would be tens of thousands of pages long. This is avoided in digital format but we don't have it, but we COULD have it, that is, it's possible, and I believe it's needed and that's what I paid for because that's what was advertised.
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
It only works if there's a feast day. It does not work for May 22, also for Saturdays the Evening Prayer for the next day, Sunday should be given.
Logos advertised this as something that would eliminate page flipping and ribbons (bookmarks), is this going to become available? Right now LOTH is not useful at all for me in Verbum.
LOTH is something to pray, I certainly understand why ribbons and page flipping are needed in a printed LOTH if it was printed in linear form the books would be tens of thousands of pages long. This is avoided in digital format but we don't have it, but we COULD have it, that is, it's possible, and I believe it's needed and that's what I paid for because that's what was advertised.
Well, following the suggestions in the blog post about adding it as a tab to the lectionary, it will take you for the readings of the day you select on the calendar, Holy Day or not. But the "Today" button, you are correct.
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Is there a way to do this in the Mobile app that I carry with me, or must i only do this from a Desktop computer running Windows or Mac Verbum program?
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
Is there a way to do this in the Mobile app that I carry with me, or must i only do this from a Desktop computer running Windows or Mac Verbum program?
Unfortunately, I know of no way to do it in the tablet.
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Part of the issue is licensing, as I mentioned.
I apologize for grabbing a thread to ask my question. I am in Canada and of course FL was not able to honour my prep order due to licensing. Now I know that FL cannot control what the right holder wants but since this is the official version for Canadian usage i was wondering if it might be possible to contact them to learn why they have chosen to exclude sale to us (I fully understand why sales would be restricted to the rest of the english speaking world where the other english translation is the official Liturgy of the Hours). I want it more for quick reference and search-ability than usage as I already have a fine app that covers me well there. I don't mean to be beating a dead horse I am just curious.
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PS: This may have been covered elsewhere but i wasn't able to locate it. Mea culpa if so.
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Part of the issue is licensing, as I mentioned.
I apologize for grabbing a thread to ask my question. I am in Canada and of course FL was not able to honour my prep order due to licensing. Now I know that FL cannot control what the right holder wants but since this is the official version for Canadian usage i was wondering if it might be possible to contact them to learn why they have chosen to exclude sale to us (I fully understand why sales would be restricted to the rest of the english speaking world where the other english translation is the official Liturgy of the Hours). I want it more for quick reference and search-ability than usage as I already have a fine app that covers me well there. I don't mean to be beating a dead horse I am just curious.
-dan
PS: This may have been covered elsewhere but i wasn't able to locate it. Mea culpa if so.
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Dan Francis said:
since this is the official version for Canadian usage i was wondering if it might be possible to contact them to learn why they have chosen to exclude sale to us (I fully understand why sales would be restricted to the rest of the english speaking world where the other english translation is the official Liturgy of the Hours).
For clarificatory purposes, the edition sold by Faithlife is a digitization of the official edition in Canada, the USA, and many other countries where English is widely used (but not all of them).
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Trying to go to "Today" in LOTH - today is February 1. Nothing I do opens up today.
Also in case the developers are not familiar with LOTH, all the readings are not the same as those found in a Bible; the words are often different.
The IDEAL LOTH for me would be something in which I could click on "TODAY" and it would open Today's Readings which are:
Morning Prayer for Wednesday in the 4th week of Ordinary Timehttps://divineoffice.org/ord-w04-wed-mp/?accessible=true&date=20230201
I don't know why this doesn't work. I know it's a challenge to use the LOTH especially with the 4 volume set, but even so with computer software, it should be possible to eliminate page flipping and picking up different printed volumes.Regards to all,
David
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