Liturgy of The Hours
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
I click on "Today" and nothing happens.
I sure hope this is NOT normal because it really makes LOTH valueless to me without this feature.
There were comments about some restrictions because of licensing, I sure hope this isn't one of the restrictions.
Some problems I found: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/200880/1167078.aspx#1167078
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I edited my post to show it works in Android.
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
I edited my post to show it works in Android.
Apparently not for iPadOS however. Clicking “today” takes me to page 1 of the volumes.
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Fr. Devin's blog post should be helpful: https://blog.verbum.com/2021/05/studying-the-faith-with-the-liturgy-of-hours/
One of the things he notes is that Liturgy of the Hours works in the Lectionary layout.
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Fr. Devin's blog post should be helpful: https://blog.verbum.com/2021/05/studying-the-faith-with-the-liturgy-of-hours/
One of the things he notes is that Liturgy of the Hours works in the Lectionary layout.
Thank you for linking that. I will look into implementing it 🙂
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RE: the "Today" button, I find that this morning (5/21/2021), when I click the Today link in LotH, it has no effect. If i manually enter "May 21" into the location/navigation box within the LotH resource itself, it likewise has no effect. However, if I enter "Easter Time 7 Fri" into the location/navigation box for LotH, it automatically navigates to Vol 2. > Prop. of Seasons > Easter > Seventh Sunday of Easter > Friday (which is today).
It seems like the Today button in LotH works correctly on feast days of Saints, and works not so well on regular days like today. I obtained today's liturgical date ("Easter Time 7 Fri") from Word of Life: Daily Scripture Companion, which I have in a linkset with the Roman Missal in my Lectionary Reading layout; the Missal navigates to the correct day automatically, then when the linked Word of Life navigates along via the linkset, that liturgical date of "Easter Time 7 Fri" shows up in the location/navigation box, where I can grab it. Would it be possible for resources like Word of Life and the LotH to be able to do the calendar date (5/21/2021) to liturgical date conversion by themselves?
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Brian Losabia said:
It seems like the Today button in LotH works correctly on feast days of Saints, and works not so well on regular days like today. I obtained today's liturgical date ("Easter Time 7 Fri") from Word of Life: Daily Scripture Companion, which I have in a linkset with the Roman Missal in my Lectionary Reading layout; the Missal navigates to the correct day automatically, then when the linked Word of Life navigates along via the linkset, that liturgical date of "Easter Time 7 Fri" shows up in the location/navigation box, where I can grab it. Would it be possible for resources like Word of Life and the LotH to be able to do the calendar date (5/21/2021) to liturgical date conversion by themselves?
AFAIK, Verbum/Logos has no built-in tool for converting (any) liturgical dates into calendar dates or vice versa.
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Brian Losabia said:
RE: the "Today" button, I find that this morning (5/21/2021), when I click the Today link in LotH, it has no effect. If i manually enter "May 21" into the location/navigation box within the LotH resource itself, it likewise has no effect. However, if I enter "Easter Time 7 Fri" into the location/navigation box for LotH, it automatically navigates to Vol 2. > Prop. of Seasons > Easter > Seventh Sunday of Easter > Friday (which is today).
It seems like the Today button in LotH works correctly on feast days of Saints, and works not so well on regular days like today. I obtained today's liturgical date ("Easter Time 7 Fri") from Word of Life: Daily Scripture Companion, which I have in a linkset with the Roman Missal in my Lectionary Reading layout; the Missal navigates to the correct day automatically, then when the linked Word of Life navigates along via the linkset, that liturgical date of "Easter Time 7 Fri" shows up in the location/navigation box, where I can grab it. Would it be possible for resources like Word of Life and the LotH to be able to do the calendar date (5/21/2021) to liturgical date conversion by themselves?
Verbum's Liturgical date coverage still needs some work. Today's date (Saturday May 22) doesn't work at all with either the Lectionary or the Liturgy of the Hours, for example.
One of the features that we still need on the Home Page card is for the selection of the date to not actually open the Layout, but to simply give you the options for the Liturgical Date. For example, today's options are (1) Saturday of the Seventh Week of Easter, or (2) St. Rita or (3) Pentecost Vigil. These options have already been identified (quite accurately as best I can see) in the Catholic Daily Readings resource.
Only after you select which of those options you want should the Liturgical Layout open up, and then it should navigate all liturgical resources to the option you chose, but defaulting to another one of the options for the day in the case that the option you chose does not exist in the resource.
Another functionality that I find would be helpful for the proper working of these resources would be the ability to indicate a Master-Slave relationship in the linksets. In a master-slave linkset, moving around the master option would navigate all the slave resources with it. But moving a slave resource would not affect the master resources. This would allow us to use linksets with all these resources in a fruitful way, I believe. Currently with a master-master relationship, I find it to be better to avoid linksets.
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Fr Devin Roza said:Brian Losabia said:
RE: the "Today" button, I find that this morning (5/21/2021), when I click the Today link in LotH, it has no effect. If i manually enter "May 21" into the location/navigation box within the LotH resource itself, it likewise has no effect. However, if I enter "Easter Time 7 Fri" into the location/navigation box for LotH, it automatically navigates to Vol 2. > Prop. of Seasons > Easter > Seventh Sunday of Easter > Friday (which is today).
It seems like the Today button in LotH works correctly on feast days of Saints, and works not so well on regular days like today. I obtained today's liturgical date ("Easter Time 7 Fri") from Word of Life: Daily Scripture Companion, which I have in a linkset with the Roman Missal in my Lectionary Reading layout; the Missal navigates to the correct day automatically, then when the linked Word of Life navigates along via the linkset, that liturgical date of "Easter Time 7 Fri" shows up in the location/navigation box, where I can grab it. Would it be possible for resources like Word of Life and the LotH to be able to do the calendar date (5/21/2021) to liturgical date conversion by themselves?
Verbum's Liturgical date coverage still needs some work. Today's date (Saturday May 22) doesn't work at all with either the Lectionary or the Liturgy of the Hours, for example.
One of the features that we still need on the Home Page card is for the selection of the date to not actually open the Layout, but to simply give you the options for the Liturgical Date. For example, today's options are (1) Saturday of the Seventh Week of Easter, or (2) St. Rita or (3) Pentecost Vigil. These options have already been identified (quite accurately as best I can see) in the Catholic Daily Readings resource.
Only after you select which of those options you want should the Liturgical Layout open up, and then it should navigate all liturgical resources to the option you chose, but defaulting to another one of the options for the day in the case that the option you chose does not exist in the resource.
Another functionality that I find would be helpful for the proper working of these resources would be the ability to indicate a Master-Slave relationship in the linksets. In a master-slave linkset, moving around the master option would navigate all the slave resources with it. But moving a slave resource would not affect the master resources. This would allow us to use linksets with all these resources in a fruitful way, I believe. Currently with a master-master relationship, I find it to be better to avoid linksets.
Agreed, Father
I would like it if they created a card like what they have for lectionary in the mobile app. With that, each day’s readings have a link to the prayers and to the readings of the day. If there are more than one option there are similar links for each option.
I imagine a LOTH option would have links to the psalmody and the readings/prayers for each option for the day. It would be bigger than the lectionary card, but that’s because there would be more hours.
That would solve one of the two major problems. The second problem (linking to our preferred Bible instead of the approved text) is probably a permissions issue.
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Fr Devin Roza said:
One of the features that we still need on the Home Page card is for the selection of the date to not actually open the Layout, but to simply give you the options for the Liturgical Date. For example, today's options are (1) Saturday of the Seventh Week of Easter, or (2) St. Rita or (3) Pentecost Vigil. These options have already been identified (quite accurately as best I can see) in the Catholic Daily Readings resource.
Only after you select which of those options you want should the Liturgical Layout open up, and then it should navigate all liturgical resources to the option you chose, but defaulting to another one of the options for the day in the case that the option you chose does not exist in the resource.
Another functionality that I find would be helpful for the proper working of these resources would be the ability to indicate a Master-Slave relationship in the linksets. In a master-slave linkset, moving around the master option would navigate all the slave resources with it. But moving a slave resource would not affect the master resources. This would allow us to use linksets with all these resources in a fruitful way, I believe. Currently with a master-master relationship, I find it to be better to avoid linksets.
That calendar/day picker function would be great. How awesome would it be, to be able to add that picker/control functionality to any resource which could do date-based navigation?
I also like the idea of a master-slave (unidirectional?) link set. I've used "Send Hyperlinks Here" as a sort of workaround at times, although a one-way link set would be very cool, and would save screen real estate/system memory when compared to a dedicated hyperlink target window.
Thanks for FCS, Father! It's a killer resource to have in Logos/Verbum.
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Brian Losabia said:Fr Devin Roza said:
Another functionality that I find would be helpful for the proper working of these resources would be the ability to indicate a Master-Slave relationship in the linksets. In a master-slave linkset, moving around the master option would navigate all the slave resources with it. But moving a slave resource would not affect the master resources. This would allow us to use linksets with all these resources in a fruitful way, I believe. Currently with a master-master relationship, I find it to be better to avoid linksets.
I also like the idea of a master-slave (unidirectional?) link set. I've used "Send Hyperlinks Here" as a sort of workaround at times, although a one-way link set would be very cool, and would save screen real estate/system memory when compared to a dedicated hyperlink target window.
The master-slave or unidirectional link set is available when you put resources into a multi-resource pane. The first/left resource is the master, all others are the slaves.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Brian Losabia said:
Thanks for FCS, Father! It's a killer resource to have in Logos/Verbum.
Glad you find it useful! [:)] The project for the book actually was a fruit of conversations with Andrew Jones about what type of resources / books Verbum might need!
NB.Mick said:The master-slave or unidirectional link set is available when you put resources into a multi-resource pane. The first/left resource is the master, all others are the slaves.
Yes, very true! The disadvantage, of course, to the multi-resource pane is that all the texts have to be visible on the screen at the same time. For the liturgical texts, this isn't ideal (unless you have a really big monitor!), especially if you also want to have the Bible and maybe a commentary, etc. open as well, as in the Lectionary layout. In the Lectionary layout all the liturgical resources are hidden one behind the other as tabs, which solves the screen real-estate problem, but unfortunately there is no master-slave possibility in that case.
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It only works if there's a feast day. It does not work for May 22, also for Saturdays the Evening Prayer for the next day, Sunday should be given.
Logos advertised this as something that would eliminate page flipping and ribbons (bookmarks), is this going to become available? Right now LOTH is not useful at all for me in Verbum.
LOTH is something to pray, I certainly understand why ribbons and page flipping are needed in a printed LOTH if it was printed in linear form the books would be tens of thousands of pages long. This is avoided in digital format but we don't have it, but we COULD have it, that is, it's possible, and I believe it's needed and that's what I paid for because that's what was advertised.
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
It only works if there's a feast day. It does not work for May 22, also for Saturdays the Evening Prayer for the next day, Sunday should be given.
Logos advertised this as something that would eliminate page flipping and ribbons (bookmarks), is this going to become available? Right now LOTH is not useful at all for me in Verbum.
LOTH is something to pray, I certainly understand why ribbons and page flipping are needed in a printed LOTH if it was printed in linear form the books would be tens of thousands of pages long. This is avoided in digital format but we don't have it, but we COULD have it, that is, it's possible, and I believe it's needed and that's what I paid for because that's what was advertised.
Well, following the suggestions in the blog post about adding it as a tab to the lectionary, it will take you for the readings of the day you select on the calendar, Holy Day or not. But the "Today" button, you are correct.
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Is there a way to do this in the Mobile app that I carry with me, or must i only do this from a Desktop computer running Windows or Mac Verbum program?
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
Is there a way to do this in the Mobile app that I carry with me, or must i only do this from a Desktop computer running Windows or Mac Verbum program?
Unfortunately, I know of no way to do it in the tablet.
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Part of the issue is licensing, as I mentioned.
I apologize for grabbing a thread to ask my question. I am in Canada and of course FL was not able to honour my prep order due to licensing. Now I know that FL cannot control what the right holder wants but since this is the official version for Canadian usage i was wondering if it might be possible to contact them to learn why they have chosen to exclude sale to us (I fully understand why sales would be restricted to the rest of the english speaking world where the other english translation is the official Liturgy of the Hours). I want it more for quick reference and search-ability than usage as I already have a fine app that covers me well there. I don't mean to be beating a dead horse I am just curious.
-dan
PS: This may have been covered elsewhere but i wasn't able to locate it. Mea culpa if so.
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Part of the issue is licensing, as I mentioned.
I apologize for grabbing a thread to ask my question. I am in Canada and of course FL was not able to honour my prep order due to licensing. Now I know that FL cannot control what the right holder wants but since this is the official version for Canadian usage i was wondering if it might be possible to contact them to learn why they have chosen to exclude sale to us (I fully understand why sales would be restricted to the rest of the english speaking world where the other english translation is the official Liturgy of the Hours). I want it more for quick reference and search-ability than usage as I already have a fine app that covers me well there. I don't mean to be beating a dead horse I am just curious.
-dan
PS: This may have been covered elsewhere but i wasn't able to locate it. Mea culpa if so.
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Dan Francis said:
since this is the official version for Canadian usage i was wondering if it might be possible to contact them to learn why they have chosen to exclude sale to us (I fully understand why sales would be restricted to the rest of the english speaking world where the other english translation is the official Liturgy of the Hours).
For clarificatory purposes, the edition sold by Faithlife is a digitization of the official edition in Canada, the USA, and many other countries where English is widely used (but not all of them).
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Trying to go to "Today" in LOTH - today is February 1. Nothing I do opens up today.
Also in case the developers are not familiar with LOTH, all the readings are not the same as those found in a Bible; the words are often different.
The IDEAL LOTH for me would be something in which I could click on "TODAY" and it would open Today's Readings which are:
Morning Prayer for Wednesday in the 4th week of Ordinary Timehttps://divineoffice.org/ord-w04-wed-mp/?accessible=true&date=20230201
I don't know why this doesn't work. I know it's a challenge to use the LOTH especially with the 4 volume set, but even so with computer software, it should be possible to eliminate page flipping and picking up different printed volumes.Regards to all,
David
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
Also in case the developers are not familiar with LOTH, all the readings are not the same as those found in a Bible; the words are often different.
Like the hymnal portion, this is due to licensing issues.
See Provide "ribbons" for books that require the user to flip between sections | Faithlife for a possible solution.
If you add the LOTH to the home page lectionary layout, it will open to the correct day
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hi David,
In my Catholic Daily Readings layout, I have a calendar devotional called "Word Of Life: Daily Scripture Companion", a daily reflection/meditation on the readings of the day; this resource is included with the Daughters of St. Paul package which includes Advent Grace and Lenten Grace, both of which are excellent. Anyways, I have this Word Of Life resource in a link set with the Catholic Daily Readings, and even though the address/location/date of Catholic Daily Readings says "February 1, 2023" today, the linked Word Of Life reports that today is "Ord Time 4 Wed". You and I -- and Word Of Life, and some employees at Verbum responsible for linking -- know that these two dates are identical, although unfortunately LOTH only recognizes one of then (Ord Time 4 Wed) as a valid location. So, my shortcut is to make sure to snag the "liturgical date" from Word Of Life with a Ctrl-C while I'm reading the normal readings of the day, then when I jump to my LOTH layout, I paste it into the address/location/date box to jump to today's readings. Since I save the layout every time I use it, I'll be able to navigate thru the rest of the weekdays easily until the next Sunday/Monday. If Verbum could make LOTH recognize today's "liturgical" date (like Word Of Life), I bet it would a) navigate automatically most of the time, and/or b) at the very least make the Today button work better.
RE: difficulties with navigating/jumping back and forth, I open multiple copies of LOTH in different panels in my layout. So, in one pane, I'll have LOTH open to today's liturgical date open to the hour we're praying; in another pane, I'll have another instance of LOTH open to Week IV of the Four-Week Psalter, using today as an example. A third pane has Bibles in a link set, a fourth pane has a Saints calendar devotional. For feasts/memorials, I'll have the feast day open in the first pane, and the Commons of Pastors/Virgins/Doctors/Apostles/etc. open in the center.
I've gotten better using the LOTH as the months (years?!) have gone by, and I'm glad to have it in my library, and I'm glad I stuck with it.
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Brian Losabia said:
If Verbum could make LOTH recognize today's "liturgical" date
You lost me -- it does recognize Ord Time 4 Wed i.e. the liturgical date.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Brian Losabia said:
If Verbum could make LOTH recognize today's "liturgical" date
You lost me -- it does recognize Ord Time 4 Wed i.e. the liturgical date.
Brian is referring to the 'Today button'.
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I don't know if this would help the licensing issues, but the Liturgy of the Hours is being revised with a second edition..
I wonder if Logos/FaithLife/Verbum acts quickly enough if they can secure ALL the rights for an electronic resource. Let everyone else do what they are already doing - it's of no significance to me, I want this resource in Verbum, I don't want to use another application, that defeats having LOTH interface with my entire library. I have printed books, the printed books have a GUIDE.
There is a guide that explains where the ribbons go: https://www.liturgyofthehours.org/_files/ugd/b4d491_553e81b7f34b43c49f07297fded831f2.pdf
This website has an accessible LOTH. https://divineoffice.org/accessible/Can Verbum publish a GUIDE? If we could have this in electronic resource, with clickable links, the objections would be all solved.
https://catholicbookpublishing.com/product/1589 Handy guide that facilitates use of THE LITURGY OF THE HOURS (Product Code: 409/10 or 409/13) by providing clear, accurate references for each day of the period specified.
This is the GUIDE we need, it's published every year. There is another Guide for the smaller "Christian Prayer" - this is for the full LOTH like Verbum has.
Be well,
David
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We would love to do all the things you describe, and we are doing our best to make it all happen!
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We would love to do all the things you describe, and we are doing our best to make it all happen!
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I bet you're even working on making sure you'll be able to sell the next edition worldwide! [;)]
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