?? Syntax search for 1. Definite article in neuter WITH a noun in feminine

Eph 2:8 has long been disputed as to exactly what "is not of yourselves". I just read a commentary that said there are many attestations of a feminine noun having an associated neuter article. I'd like to see some.

ἐστε σεσωσμένοι διὰ πίστεως· καὶ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐξ ὑμῶν

I can't figure out how to Syntax Search or Morph Search for this.

Please help.

John Hamilton, The Navigators

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John Fidel

Hi John,

If you go to Docs and open a Morph Query and set it as follows:

You should get the results you are looking for. Others may have ideas using other search tools.

John C Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1166891#Comment_1166891

Thanks, John. But that doesn't work. It returns verses with a neuter article in one phrase, and a feminine noun in a whole different phrase -- even with the 2 Word span.

I can't figure out how to get a search to return Eph 2:8 -- and a whole lot of Church doctrine rides on this thing.

Blessings,

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1166897#Comment_1166897

I get 27 results in 27 verses shown below. Is this what your results are?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1166897#Comment_1166897

You can get Eph 2:8 as follows

The latter "Span" comes from a Proximity relation, which says the 2 words are adjacent (3 words allows one intervening word). The first "Span" states that the words are in the same verse.

However, there is only a neuter noun ("gift") associated with the neuter article, unless "God" (masculine) is the target. There is no Feminine noun

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1166916#Comment_1166916

there is only a neuter noun ("gift") associated with the neuter article, unless "God" (masculine) is the target. There is no Feminine noun

Neuter article/feminine noun only occurs in Jn 20:19, Acts 18:1. But the article is also tagged as Feminine!

Amongst the 27 results for Neuter article/masculine noun, many articles are also tagged as Masculine.

John C Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1167125#Comment_1167125

Hi Dave,

I must not be explaining myself adequately. Reformed theologians have long stated that "faith" is a gift of God to his elect, and they quote Eph 2:8 in support: στε σεσωσμένοι διὰ πίστεως· καὶ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐξ ὑμῶν.

The difficulty lies in associating touto with pistis. pistis is feminine; touto is neuter.

I just read a commentary that stated this is not a problem, since there are several other places in NT where a feminine noun is antecedent to to a neuter pronoun (I was wrong to say neuter article.).

So I'm still left with how to set up a syntax search to return the "several other places". Pls help.

Thanks,

John Hamilton

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1167217#Comment_1167217

If you look at my Morph Query above, change it as follows:-

Part of Speech Noun Pronoun

Gender Feminine Neuter

...

Span: 3 Words

You should get 148 results

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Eph 2:8 has long been disputed as to exactly what "is not of yourselves"... I can't figure out how to Syntax Search

Three clause visualization resources show different analysis where two of them have separate clauses in Ephesians 2:8 while one shows Ephesians 2:8 and part of Ephesians 2:9 being one sentence, which can be used for Syntax Search:

Syntax Search example that includes Ephesians 2:8

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