Citation from Logos to MS Word on Mac

I've just changed from PC to Mac and I'm having difficulties when I cite a passage from a book on Logos to MS Word. I'm used to have an automatic footnote, in Turabian footnote style, but now I get a footnote in a bibliography style (e.g. the author's last name first and no page number).

My program settings are the same as I had on my PC.

I've tried to find in the training section and forum an answer to this problem, but found nothing.

Thanks for your help!

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MJ. Smith

bumping in hopes of encouraging an answer 4

Janick Fortier

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193200#Comment_1193200

Thanks!

Jack Caviness

when I cite a passage from a book on Logos to MS Word. I'm used to have an automatic footnote, in Turabian footnote style, but now I get a footnote in a bibliography style (e.g. the author's last name first and no page number).

What version of Lorog? What Mac OS? I have Logos 9.11 Beta 1 and Mac OS 12.0.1. Turabian footnotes appear correctly formatted, as they did previously in Logos 9.10. In fact, I do not recall ever seeing this particular problem with Logos on the Mac OS.

Janick Fortier

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193229#Comment_1193229

I'm running Logos 9.10 and Monterey 12.1.

For instance, when I copy a text I get this:

"According to Deuteronomy 18:18–19, a true prophet speaks 'in the name of the Lord,' with words put into the prophet’s mouth by God. Claim of divine inspiration is central to such a call."

Brenneman, J. E. 2012. “True and False Prophecy.” In Dictionary of the Old Testament: Prophets, edited by Mark J. Boda and Gordon J. McConville, 783. Downers Grove, IL; Nottingham, England: IVP Academic; Inter-Varsity Press.

This is the bibliography style, and not the footnotes style.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193280#Comment_1193280

This is the bibliography style, and not the footnotes style.

When I copy the same text (using the same version of Logos on Monterey 12.0), I get a footnote reference

What setting do you have for Citation Style?

Janick Fortier

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193283#Comment_1193283

The result is the same, whether I "Copy Footnotes as" Footnotes, text or Auto.

Are there other settings I can adjust?

Thanks,

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193283#Comment_1193283

I get a footnote reference

Can you should us what you have Graham?

Here is what I got when I pasted into this thread:

I am on macOS 12.1

Here is what the info panel looks like:

I am not an expert in citations. Janick is calling this a Bibliographic style, but I don't think it is. The bibliography should look like the top one. A footnote citation should have the page numbers, which it does. The bibliographic style should not have page numbers.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193292#Comment_1193292

A footnote citation should have the page numbers, which it does. The bibliographic style should not have page numbers.

You are right

Interestingly there is a difference in the way the Turabian 8th edition handles this compared to the 9th.

The 8th has the page number at the end whereas the 9th has it before the publisher information (as per your and Janick's screenshot).

The 8th also has the author's first name at the beginning of the footnote whereas the 9th has it after the family name.

Janick - is this difference what you are referring to?

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193294#Comment_1193294

Interestingly there is a difference in the way the Turabian 8th edition handles this compared to the 9th.

Thank you for that information. After reading this, I checked, and I do have 8th edition selected. After looking at the differences, I will stick to 8. But then, I am not submitting academic papers [:P]

Janick Fortier

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193292#Comment_1193292

I am not an expert in citations. Janick is calling this a Bibliographic style, but I don't think it is. The bibliography should look like the top one. A footnote citation should have the page numbers, which it does. The bibliographic style should not have page numbers.

In the screenshot, the first citation is of the book (the Dictionary); the second is of the article in the Dictionary. Both are the Bibliography format. The pages are for the article as a whole, not the pages where a specific quotation can be found in a footnote.

I tried changing to Turabian 8th ed. and it works:

J. E. Brenneman, “True and False Prophecy,” in Dictionary of the Old Testament: Prophets, ed. Mark J. Boda and Gordon J. McConville (Downers Grove, IL; Nottingham, England: IVP Academic; Inter-Varsity Press, 2012), 783.

(note the author's name beginning with the first name, the parenthesis and the page number at the end).

I also tried "Chicago Manual of Style", which is what Turabian is actually based on and it works too. It's a bit different:

J. E. Brenneman, “True and False Prophecy,” ed. Mark J. Boda and Gordon J. McConville, Dictionary of the Old Testament: Prophets (Downers Grove, IL; Nottingham, England: IVP Academic; Inter-Varsity Press, 2012), 783.

However, I'm not sure what version of the Chicago Manual of Style (CMS) it is. The 8th version of Turabian is closer to the 9th than the CMS.

I will use the 8th version. Is there a way to report that to Logos, so they can fix it?

Thanks everyone!

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193306#Comment_1193306

In the screenshot, the first citation is of the book (the Dictionary); the second is of the article in the Dictionary. Both are the Bibliography format. The pages are for the article as a whole, not the pages where a specific quotation can be found in a footnote.

Again, I am not an expert in citations. If I am understanding you correctly, you believe that a bibliographic citation of an article in Turbian <should> have the page numbers for the entirety of the article. Is that right?

Janick Fortier

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193320#Comment_1193320

Hi,

Yes, in the bibliography, the citation needs to include the page span of the article for a Dictionary like the one I used in example. Turabian's "Notes-Bibliography Style" indicates how to cite in a note (footnote or endnote) and how to cite in the bibliography. The bibliography indicates the total span of the article (same thing for an article coming from a Journal) and the note indicates the page of the quoted text.

This being said, you can also make a reference to an entire article in a footnote, where the page span would be included. It can get confusing... Still, the reference would be different from a bibliographic entry:

Notes: Willem A. VanGemeren, “Prophets, the Freedom of God, and Hermeneutics,” The Westminster Theological Journal 52, no. 1 (1990): 79–99.
Bibliography: VanGemeren, Willem A. “Prophets, the Freedom of God, and Hermeneutics.” The Westminster Theological Journal 52, no. 1 (1990): 79–99.

I hope this clarifies...

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193323#Comment_1193323

It does, thanks.