Feature: Draw on Screen on iPad

Draw on Screen on iPad

Demonstrate your exegesis and communicate your Bible insights visually!

What is it?

You can markup resource text with pen, pencil and highlighter with several color options. You can also copy, share, and save the image to photos or in a new note.

How to access it?

Open the Logos mobile app on iPad.
Select the book and portion of text that you want to mark up.
Click on the More menu (three horizontal lines) in the bottom right corner.
Scroll down to the “Tools” section and select “Draw On Screen”.
The book and portion of text will “freeze”, allowing you to mark it up with the Draw On Screen options.
To leave Draw On Screen mode, click on the Kebab menu (three horizontal dots) in the top right corner and click “Exit Drawing”.

Note

This is not available on iPhone or Android phone and tablet.
This is available in Bronze packages and above.

We’d love to hear your thoughts on this new feature. Please provide your feedback in the comments below.

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Comments

Steven Baxley

Do these markups then transfer to the Desktop version?

JT (alabama24)

Do these markups then transfer to the Desktop version?

No. This is a feature of iPadOS which FL has utlized.

EDIT: As Mark suggests below, the screenshot can sync to desktop, but it is not editible later on desktop.

Mark Barnes (Logos)

Do these markups then transfer to the Desktop version?

You can save a non-editable image to your notes file, which is then accessible across all your devices.

Steven Baxley

OK, thank you for the replies.

David Thomas

We’d love to hear your thoughts on this new feature. Please provide your feedback in the comments below.

E-ink on Microsoft Surface with stylus? We've only been pleading 10 years (Since L5) - https://community.logos.com/forums/p/67806/471833.aspx#471833

Bernhard

We’d love to hear your thoughts on this new feature. Please provide your feedback in the comments below.

E-ink on Microsoft Surface with stylus? We've only been pleading 10 years (Since L5) - https://community.logos.com/forums/p/67806/471833.aspx#471833

You do know about https://wiki.logos.com/Drawing_Mode , right? That's of course only part of what this feature does on iPad. I guess to save you would need to make a screenshot...

David Mullens

Do you need the bronze package if you are subscribed to Logos Connect?

David Mullens

Do you need the bronze package if you are subscribed to Logos Connect?

Kevin A. Purcell

My favorite new v. 10 feature by far!!

David Mullens

For those of us Android users...a workaround perhaps.

It sounds like the iPad takes a screenshot and then you can annotate it. Android can already do this. Take a screenshot, then annotate the image.

I'm using a Samsung S7+ and it basically does this automatically. I can capture a part of the screen, mark it up, then save it...then load it into anote.

The other option is to do a "Write on Screen", mark it up, then save it as an image, then add it to the note.

Not sure this is exactly the same workflow, but it does give the option to mark up the text like a regular book.

ReformedPilgrim

When you upload the image to a notebook do you always have to manually add it to a specific notebook or can it ever be auto added to a specific notebook?

Joel J.

I've been dreaming of this feature for years, but to clarify:

1) Only an image of the handwriting can be saved

2) The handwriting does not save in Logos itself

Is that correct?

Brian Puhala

David, I also have a Samsung S7. How do idols "Write on Screen"?

skypeace

For those of us Android users...a workaround perhaps.

It sounds like the iPad takes a screenshot and then you can annotate it. Android can already do this. Take a screenshot, then annotate the image.

I'm using a Samsung S7+ and it basically does this automatically. I can capture a part of the screen, mark it up, then save it...then load it into anote.

The other option is to do a "Write on Screen", mark it up, then save it as an image, then add it to the note.

Not sure this is exactly the same workflow, but it does give the option to mark up the text like a regular book.

Thanks, figured there had to be a way as Android phones and tablets have had these capabilities for over a decade. Wonder why we get treated like the red headed step child?

JT (alabama24)

1) Only an image of the handwriting can be saved

2) The handwriting does not save in Logos itself

Is that correct?

Yes, Yes.

JT (alabama24)

Wonder why we get treated like the red headed step child?

The nature of the OS's and devices makes Android more of a challenge. Apple is more homogenous.

Don Dudley

The fact that I needed the Bronze package was not made clear when watching the videos. Why can't this feature be released on lower packages? I am not really happy about this. I upgraded (I am on starter) under the impression I would finally be able to use my Apple Pencil with Logos. I would like to know how to get a refund for this. I think it would be best if you made this clear in your feature notes.

JT (alabama24)

I would like to know how to get a refund for this.

Call customer service.

I would finally be able to use my Apple Pencil with Logos

Well, but that is not what this feature is about... unless you simply mean to use your apple pencil to make drawings on a screenshot.

MJ. Smith

The fact that I needed the Bronze package was not made clear when watching the videos. Why can't this feature be released on lower packages? I am not really happy about this. I upgraded (I am on starter) under the impression I would finally be able to use my Apple Pencil with Logos. I would like to know how to get a refund for this. I think it would be best if you made this clear in your feature notes.

You need to take this up with customer support via chat, phone, or email. As a peer-to-peer forum, we cannot do anything more than sympathize.

Don Dudley

The issue is, it is presented as a feature and the above menu options are only available if you have bronze and above. This is kinda lame as the API for iPad OS is free for devs to use. so even if it’s a screenshot or whatever, we can’t use it unless we drop another $277. This was not disclosed on the main page or in the features List.

Don Dudley

the original post asked for my thoughts and feedback. So I left them. I feel the company did a bad job communicating that a feature was only available on certain packages and I get duped by them. That is my feedback.

JT (alabama24)

This is kinda lame as the API for iPad OS is free for devs to use. so even if it’s a screenshot or whatever, we can’t use it unless we drop another $277.

I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I kinda agree. I truly can understand your frustration... especially on the marketing side. On the other hand, users continually say, "I'll pay for you to add this feature!" Time is money and development aint cheap.

If a feature were to cost FL $10,000 to develop (not even to maintain!), how would they get remunerated? ONE person could pay $10,000. TEN people could pay $1,000. a HUNDRED People could pay $100. A THOUSAND people could pay $10. FL isn't charging you $10 for this feature, but it is bundled in with the other new things.

I know your concern is this one feature, but Logos needs to make money. The software is free... and there are many freeloaders. FL encourages it. Some eventually pay money. Yet they have to keep the machine rolling. If this feature and the other ones you get for the $277 aren't worth it to you, don't buy it. Perhaps it will end up rolling out to other users in the future. In that case, you'd benefit again from those who did pay (as I have from time to time).

A. E. Harmon

How can we get logos to make these markups stay on / in our favorite Bible? It seems kind of pointless if they go away or have to be saved as a note. Ideally, it would be amazing to have a digital Bible like the esv Scripture journal that keeps all of your mark ups.

ReformedPilgrim

How can we get logos to make these markups stay on / in our favorite Bible? It seems kind of pointless if they go away or have to be saved as a note. Ideally, it would be amazing to have a digital Bible like the esv Scripture journal that keeps all of your mark ups.

This is what I truly want also. I wish my hand drawn notes could be a visual filter I turn on and off. But I don’t think they can do this.

JT (alabama24)

How can we get logos to make these markups stay on / in our favorite Bible?

You cant.

It seems kind of pointless if they go away or have to be saved as a note. Ideally, it would be amazing to have a digital Bible like the esv Scripture journal that keeps all of your mark ups.

This feature is using technology from iPadOS... basically it is marking up a screenshot. While what you desire would be good, it would be a MAJOR project and is unlikely to come to fruition.

One issue is simply that electronic books don't have set typography. If you change the window pane, change the type size or font family, the layout changes. To implement a more permanent version of this would require that not to be the case.

DMB

One issue is simply that electronic books don't have set typography. If you change the window pane, change the type size or font family, the layout changes. To implement a more permanent version of this would require that not to be the case.

As I understand Logos, under the hood, it's a graphics engine. All the markups are graphics, in various ways. Attached to the text flows (however rendered). Programming wise, it's not particularly difficult, if you plan for the capability. Logos didn't.

But that said, I'm not sure the market (remember Bob arguing notes should be short little comments in 2009?!). Then, they had to re-program. Maps re-done 3 times, I think.

In my software, I have embedded image editing. Text re-writing. And text-overlays (drawing lines between words, even pages). But over time, I mainly use the line overlays. Scrawling handwriting over text is cute, but ???. Amazon's new Scribe allows it for PDFs, but not Kindle books (packaged image as a note). I very much doubt, that idea will 'take' (vs a regular tablet and PDFs).

JT (alabama24)

Amazon's new Scribe allows it for PDFs, but not Kindle books (packaged image as a note).

So the same as Logos?

In my software, I have embedded image editing. Text re-writing. And text-overlays (drawing lines between words, even pages). But over time, I mainly use the line overlays. Scrawling handwriting over text is cute, but ???.

Your "drawing lines" are computer drawn, right? Not handwritten?

Tony garbarino

I would love to be able to annotate sermons via Apple Pencil/stylus. I use Noteshelf for this purpose and it works great. The inability to do this in Logos keeps me from using it for preaching.

Jeremy

I would want to use this:

draw in bibles
add notes in Bibles (like I do in the margins of my physical bibles)
add notes in books (like I do in the margins of my physical books)
...and it Save so that I can see it no matter which device I am on

Although I am very grateful to the Logos developers for continuous improvements to the platform, to only use it temp purposes is not that useful (for me; maybe for others).

Also, I agree with some of the other users, I feel limited who can use certain features does get irritating. Another example is the Search Print Books feature requires Gold (about $1,200 for me) or L10 Full Feature Upgrade (about $700). I think I can wait as I don't need either of these packages.

JT (alabama24)

Welcome Jeremy! [:)]

to only use it temp purposes is not that useful

This is a built in feature of iOS, so a low risk - low investment for FL. It is a great benefit to some users, but it is not a "write in bible and save notes" feature (which would be very difficult to program and maintain).

I feel limited who can use certain features does get irritating.

Software isn't cheap to develop and maintain. The basic app has many free features that everyone can use and enjoy. It is good and fine for FL to create paid features to help with the cost of development... They need to have a healthy bottom line, else Logos will go the way of other Bible Software Apps (see WordSearch).

wilfredo aguilar

When will this feature will be available for Android?

wilfredo aguilar

When will this be available on android?

JT (alabama24)

This feature is utilizing a built in feature of iOS and not third party add ons. There is no current expectation of this feature moving to android tablets at present.

David Fish

Are there any keyboard shortcuts (I use an Apple Magic Keyboard with my iPad Pro) to enter "Draw on Screen" mode.

That would make it much more user friendly in an educational setting.

David Fish

Are there any keyboard shortcuts (I use an Apple Magic Keyboard with my iPad Pro) to enter "Draw on Screen" mode.

That would make it much more user friendly in an educational setting.

David Fish

Are there any keyboard shortcuts (I use an Apple Magic Keyboard with my iPad Pro) to enter "Draw on Screen" mode.

That would make it much more user friendly in an educational setting.

Naji Griffiths

Thanks for the workaround. although it shouldn't have to be this way. Android users shouldnt have to feel left out. 😔

JT (alabama24)

although it shouldn't have to be this way. Android users shouldnt have to feel left out.

Logos is using a built in feature of iOS to perform this feature in the app.

John

We’d love to hear your thoughts on this new feature

Don't need this. The built in highlighting works already for those who want to highlight verses. If people want to doodle they can buy a box of crayons [H]

I would rather that they get Greek Audio to work on the mobile platforms. And English Audio Bibles too, other than the ESV and Lexham.

DAL

It’s been a while since this came out, so I wanted to share it’s now available on iPhones and Desktops!
It would be nice if the markings stayed like they do in Word and Power Point so all links are still active and if you jump to another page and you come back to the page you drew on, markings will still be there 👍

DAL

DMB

If people want to doodle they can buy a box of crayons

Well, thank you very much. I tried out the box of crayons, and now the screen is all messy.

Joel J.

Yeah, it’s at least cool to make quick graphics.

DAL

I found out Screen Brush for Mac 💻 is better than Logos Draw on Screen F8 feature! On iPad, your finger or stylus Logos F8 is ok, but on mac screen brush is superior even though it’s basic!

DAL

PS. FWIW the F8 function should even be included in the free engine. It’s way to raw for it to be included in Bronze and above.