Twelve days of Christmas sale
Does anyone know if FL will be having a Twelve Days of Christmas sale? My consumer mind whats to know.
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Yes! Starting 12.12 at 10:00 a.m. PST
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Thanks.
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None of the 'true love' sending you stuff, huh? Also looking forward to tomorrow.
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The Hot Buys run through Dec. 16, which is a little bit wonky.
HOT BUYS
Save on select Expository Preaching Kits through Dec. 16!0 -
Dale E Heath II said:
The Hot Buys run through Dec. 16, which is a little bit wonky.
HOT BUYS
Save on select Expository Preaching Kits through Dec. 16!Hot buys normally only run for a short while, although occasionally they have started a week or so into the month and then run for the rest of the month. At least on the Hot Buys sales Faithlife seem to warn us how long the sale will run for.
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Received the email to shop the 12 Days sale, but link not active yet. Should start in an hour.
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Live now https://www.logos.com/12-days
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Do the sale items change every day of the 12 days?
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I was able to get the $75 Karl Barth Handbook I'd been waiting on for $23.30.[:D]
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Don Awalt said:
Do the sale items change every day of the 12 days?
There was a time when a new deal was announced each day. They now seem to reveal 12 deals on day 1 that last the 12 Days.
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Paul Caneparo said:
Live now https://www.logos.com/12-days
Pet Peeve warning!
Is this evidence that the sales and marketing department are predominantly protestants in the Free tradition?
I am in the camp above, but I am trying to learn from my Liturgical brothers and sisters that 12 Days is Dec 25 - Jan 6. Epiphany is significant in many places of our world that are influenced by the Orthodox Church.
This should be marketed as the 12 selected days of Advent sale. [:D]
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David Thomas said:
Pet Peeve warning!
Just noting that I also have a Pet Peeve; which would appear to be exactly the same as yours.
On a serious/er note... the liturgical blindness of Faithlife must cost the company quite a lot of money as they do not seem to take advantage of folks need for liturgically relevant resources.
Example Lent resources offered half way through Lent rather than a couple of months before, bible art that ignores the season and the RCL. I am personally frustrated because I pre-ordered 'The Women's Lectionary' in good time for the beginning of the Christian Year only to have to resort to Kindle when it failed to materialise.
Somebody should note that if there are not enough sales for a lectionary to be produced by November it is unlikely to really be gathering interest in June.
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Mike Binks said:
Somebody should note that if there are not enough sales for a lectionary to be produced by November it is unlikely to really be gathering interest in June.
[:S]
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David Thomas said:Paul Caneparo said:
Live now https://www.logos.com/12-days
This should be marketed as the 12 selected days of Advent sale.
I think they actually market it as "12 Days of Logos." So it is just our own foolishness that makes us assume Logos is standing in for Christmas instead of Advent. [:D]
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Justin Gatlin said:
I think they actually market it as "12 Days of Logos." So it is just our own foolishness that makes us assume Logos is standing in for Christmas instead of Advent.
That would be 24 days though, and 24 products on sale. (Maybe next year.)
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Justin Gatlin said:David Thomas said:Paul Caneparo said:
Live now https://www.logos.com/12-days
This should be marketed as the 12 selected days of Advent sale.
I think they actually market it as "12 Days of Logos." So it is just our own foolishness that makes us assume Logos is standing in for Christmas instead of Advent.
Yes, I think that if you go back far enough, it may have been 12 Days of Christmas. But Faithlife does learn.
Now they can have a 12 Days of Christmas sale too! Might show up here, though.
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Justin Gatlin said:
it is just our own foolishness
see the title of this Thread!
I will admit that my pet peeve should have been addressed to the person who created and titled this thread, rather than Logos marketing. But since attacking another Forum user is outside the Forum Guidelines: "3. Please treat each other with the love, courtesy, respect, and kindness that you would if you were sitting in your living room together." I will refrain from directing my angst toward another, and I will assume your accusation of "foolishness" is a nuance of dialect.
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So, the answer to the OP should have been no.[^o)]
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Mike Binks said:
David Thomas said:Pet Peeve warning!
Just noting that I also have a Pet Peeve; which would appear to be exactly the same as yours.
On a serious/er note... the liturgical blindness of Faithlife must cost the company quite a lot of money as they do not seem to take advantage of folks need for liturgically relevant resources.
Example Lent resources offered half way through Lent rather than a couple of months before, bible art that ignores the season and the RCL. I am personally frustrated because I pre-ordered 'The Women's Lectionary' in good time for the beginning of the Christian Year only to have to resort to Kindle when it failed to materialise.
Somebody should note that if there are not enough sales for a lectionary to be produced by November it is unlikely to really be gathering interest in June.
FL doesn't do a whole lot of calendar planning when it comes to the release of individual titles in Pre-Pub--most of their calendar planning revolves around the base package ecosystem and the sale of existing (Live) products. Understandably, they have a lot of calendars to juggle--the American consumer cycle (Black Friday, Christmas, March Madness), American academic calendars (e.g. back-to-school is in July/August), and then liturgical calendars varying between Christian traditions (we can't even settle on a common date for Easter, haha).
As a student, it's been mildly peeving to have books I had to purchase in print back in August to be shipped from Pre-Pub in October and December. But FL has historically not taken control of the ship dates of Pre-Pubs--"it's ready when it's ready" has been the driving force steering that ship. Of course, new title inclusions in base packages also complicates things, because they need to ship those ASAP. But the "gathering interest" calendar cycle of products is entirely independent of any calendar relevant to the customer, i.e., it excludes students like me who would have bought the book outright had it been available at the beginning of the semester, and consequently, when the course concludes, we probably never end up giving FL money for these books since (a) our immediate need for the book has passed and (b) we already own it and are eager to put our book budget towards things we do not own. The same is said for countless people who are working toward masters or doctoral theses and have immediate need of books with indeterminate ship dates. And, of course, pastors who would have bought a product tied to a liturgical event, i.e. Lenten devotionals and homily/sermon aids, or Christmas worship resources. To maximize sales, FL would need to commit to a ship date prior to the event, i.e. a week or two prior to the change in the liturgical season, or a week or two prior to the start of the academic semester.
What amazes me is that FL does not have a metric for projecting immediate and future sales of a title that is sitting still in pre-pub. The opportunity cost of shipping now vs. shipping later seems a foreign concept to the pre-pubbing system. The only books that genuinely "gather interest" are books relevant to customers who do not need the book right away. That's a small customer base. As you pointed out, a title bound to a liturgical calendar is not going to be gathering any interest in June, and a title needed for a course in August is not going to get pre-pub orders from students at all, since it will not be released before class begins. That's the biggest pitfall of pre-pubs: they will never make the sale to those who need it and want to buy it now, and they have not collected data on how many lost sales that translated to.
</rant> Anyway, back to work on my thesis (of which zero of the fifty books in my bibliography can be found in Logos/Verbum, but I'm okay with that--if they were, this would have been an expensive thesis... [H] )
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For reference: https://www.logos.com/grow/what-and-when-are-the-12-days-of-christmas/
Br Damien-Joseph OSB said:The opportunity cost of shipping now vs. shipping later seems a foreign concept to the pre-pubbing system.
Their project of releasing some books at or close to their actual date of publication is good, but it doesn't resolve this issue.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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