What obscure features of Logos/Verbum do you use or know of?

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,108
edited November 21 in English Forum

There are features of Logos/Verbum that I would have never found (or even thought to look for) if I hadn't been shown them sometime by someone. I am curious what features others have found that are not easily found by trial-and-error (aka the design is intuitive) or from documentation/training.

To start the list:

  • FSD in the command box is probably the most common "hidden" feature - Facilitate serendipitous discovery. You never know what this will introduce you to.
  • the + in the word-by-word guide section for alternative morphologies
  • the double click on a resource tab to open the next resource in priority order

What can you contribute to the list?

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one is REALLY obscure, and probably not many would find it useful, but you can insert a newline character into a highlighting style to force line breaks that aren't there in a resource.

    The trick here is to do the following:

    1. copy the Emphasis Markup palette
    2. copy the Newline Before And After style
    3. edit the new style to include your desired text with the line break at the desired spot in your added text
    4. move the style to whatever palette you want

    The full context of that trick might be helpful in understanding it. Here's the thread where it came up:

    Is there any way to insert a line break using a Highlighting style?

  • Frank Hodges
    Frank Hodges Member Posts: 309 ✭✭

    ooo ooo ooo, I think I finally got one that y'all might not know. When in the Bible text there's a gesture to skip ahead to the next pericope (and skip back if you so please). How you do it is hold down the right-click button and gesture down to go to the next pericope or gesture up to go to the last. If you gesture left or right, it will just open a new tab with similar resources.. I don't use it much but it's cool to know! I'd love to know if anyone finds any use cases outside of Bible text where it might be helpful!
    Also: Middle click closes a tab! and when I shared the double-click a tab feature on the Circle a while back everyone said there's no use for it when you can just press right arrow, but I use this ALL the time, you don't always want to exit out of your primary tab, but sometimes want a secondary tab open to another resource at the same spot as the first one! That's my favorite tip! 

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ooo ooo ooo, I think I finally got one that y'all might not know. When in the Bible text there's a gesture to skip ahead to the next pericope (and skip back if you so please). How you do it is hold down the right-click button and gesture down to go to the next pericope or gesture up to go to the last. If you gesture left or right, it will just open a new tab with similar resources.. I don't use it much but it's cool to know! I'd love to know if anyone finds any use cases outside of Bible text where it might be helpful!

    Hmm, I can't reproduce this one. Are you doing this on Windows? Where is your mouse pointing when you press on the right-click button? If I do this (pointing to anywhere within the Bible text), nothing happens when I gesture left or right (i.e., move the mouse pointer left or right) or up or down, as long as I'm still holding down the right-click button. And when I finally release the button, no matter how much gesturing I did before releasing it, the right-click menu pops up, as I'd expect. What am I not doing that you're doing?

  • Frank Hodges
    Frank Hodges Member Posts: 309 ✭✭

    So yes I'm on Windows, and I haven't tried it on Mac yet. So the left and the right gestures don't really do much but open a new tab (same as pressing new tab button essentially). If you give me a second I'll record a video and show you how it works on my end. 

  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,365

    Hmm, I can't reproduce this one. Are you doing this on Windows? Where is your mouse pointing when you press on the right-click button? If I do this (pointing to anywhere within the Bible text), nothing happens when I gesture left or right (i.e., move the mouse pointer left or right) or up or down, as long as I'm still holding down the right-click button. And when I finally release the button, no matter how much gesturing I did before releasing it, the right-click menu pops up, as I'd expect. What am I not doing that you're doing?

    Gestures are no longer an actively supported feature. They've been left in the application for those used to them. In order to turn them on, you need to use the command: set use gestures to yes

    Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So yes I'm on Windows, and I haven't tried it on Mac yet. So the left and the right gestures don't really do much but open a new tab (same as pressing new tab button essentially). If you give me a second I'll record a video and show you how it works on my end. 

    No need. Andrew just explained why I can't use them. I do have a foggy memory of trying the feature out at one point in the distant past, but turning it off again because I didn't think I'd use it and didn't want to accidentally engage it.

  • Frank Hodges
    Frank Hodges Member Posts: 309 ✭✭

    Not sure how well this will work, this is the first place I found to host the file, it's an MKV file. Amber wasn't working to upload a video on the forums so that's the reason for the link. I don't know how to put the setting on OBS to show when I right click, if anyone knows I can upload another video. I'm curious though if it's only something that's on my computer for whatever reason. 

  • Frank Hodges
    Frank Hodges Member Posts: 309 ✭✭

    Andrew just explained
    par for the course [:D]

    Rosie, it may be worth checking out, especially considering you can turn them off. I never knew I even turned them on! 

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,674

    this is the first place I found to host the file, it's an MKV file. Amber wasn't working to upload a video

    I just use the paperclip icon, next to Amber, for videos (.mp4) and logs.

    Dave
    ===

    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • John Goodman
    John Goodman Member Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭

    I've linked Hebrew and Greek texts in a series so that BHW and Tyndale GNT behave as one resource. Same with HALOT and BDAG.

    גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

  • Brian Davidson
    Brian Davidson Member Posts: 813 ✭✭
  • Morgan
    Morgan Member Posts: 458 ✭✭

    Setting a series essentially combines two or more resources in a super-set. Example, I have NA28 and BHS linked together. When i enter any OT passage into NA28 it will automatically switch to BHS in the same tab.You can do so with Greek and Hebrew lexicons and other resources as well. I created a series of my no. 1 commentaries so that when I link it to my bible it will always open to my favorite one.

    To edit a series go to Library - Info - Series and click the pen.

  • Brian Davidson
    Brian Davidson Member Posts: 813 ✭✭

    Thanks so much. This is super helpful.

    Great idea for a forum thread.

  • DAL
    DAL Member Posts: 10,591 ✭✭✭

    The web app is usable on Xbox as someone on Facebook noticed 😁

    DAL

  • John Goodman
    John Goodman Member Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭

    I run Logos on my steam deck, that's pretty niche.

    גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

  • Rich McCabe
    Rich McCabe Member Posts: 54

    I run Logos on my steam deck, that's pretty niche.

    Hmmm, would be curious what you are doing or if you can send me your stream deck file. Curious how that works.  I have a XL I use for other purposes. Never thought about Logos.

  • GregW
    GregW Member Posts: 266 ✭✭

    Hmmm, would be curious what you are doing or if you can send me your stream deck file. Curious how that works.  I have a XL I use for other purposes. Never thought about Logos.

    Steam decks and Stream decks are two different things - a Steam deck is a PC gaming console. I use a Stream deck primarily for Zoom and OBS Studio, but also have a folder set up for some of the Logos keyboard shortcuts I use regularly, so that I can do things quickly at the push of a single button without having to remember a lot of keyboard shortcuts. Someone shared a lot of Logos-specific button designs on here a while ago, which you could probably find with a Google search (other search engines are available!)

    I don’t have the XL, but the Mark 2 15-button model. 

  • Rich McCabe
    Rich McCabe Member Posts: 54

    Yea we are talking about the same thing. I dont know anything about Steam Deck.

    I know you can do keystrokes with it obviously. Just really did not think about that and Logos.

  • John Brumett
    John Brumett Member Posts: 294

    I've linked Hebrew and Greek texts in a series so that BHW and Tyndale GNT behave as one resource. Same with HALOT and BDAG.

    Give me an example on how to use this. 

  • Willem J. de Wit
    Willem J. de Wit Member Posts: 19 ✭✭

    I noticed that combining my preferred Hebrew OT and preferred Greek NT into one series is especially helpful for reading the Bible on my mobile. I have there a Dutch Bible (OT+NT) in the upper half of the screen and the Hebrew OT/Greek NT in the lower half of the screen. When changing from an OT passage to an NT passage (or vice versa) in the Dutch Bible in the upper half of the screen, Logos needs to know which resource it should show in the lower half of the screen. By combining a specific Hebrew OT and a specific Greek NT into one series, Logos will always display a resource from that series in the lower half of the screen, and not, e.g., some other Hebrew OT, Greek OT, or Greek NT.
    Perhaps there is another way to achieve the same, but this works.

  • John Goodman
    John Goodman Member Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭

    I've linked Hebrew and Greek texts in a series so that BHW and Tyndale GNT behave as one resource. Same with HALOT and BDAG.

    Give me an example on how to use this. 

    I use it as my primary Bible, it means as I'm clicking through verses it works. Otherwise if you are in the NT and try to follow an OT link you need a different resource open. It just reduces tab clutter I suppose. For the same reason I have many resources prioritised so that I can use left and right arrows to move between them all without tab clutter.

    גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,087

    This one is truly obscure (for me anyway).  In another thread a customer was wondering why there was no word-for-word for Latin/English (good question).  That'd be in the Passage Guide.

    But then I noticed Word-For-Word (Passage Guide), essentially 'translates' the Peshitta!

    Sort of a poor lady's interlinear for Syriac.  Now, it only translates if you have a syriac lexicon with the word form ... poor ladies can't be choosers when they don't read Syriac!   But it's better than literally word by word, manually.

  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    This one is truly obscure (for me anyway).  In another thread a customer was wondering why there was no word-for-word for Latin/English (good question).  That'd be in the Passage Guide.

    But then I noticed Word-For-Word (Passage Guide), essentially 'translates' the Peshitta!

    Sort of a poor lady's interlinear for Syriac.  Now, it only translates if you have a syriac lexicon with the word form ... poor ladies can't be choosers when they don't read Syriac!   But it's better than literally word by word, manually.

    Denise, You've again managed to open a new world for me. Never did I think to change the reference in the Word by Word section of the Guide. Thank you and Merry Christmas!

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

    International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

    MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD 

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,087

    Denise, You've again managed to open a new world for me. Never did I think to change the reference in the Word by Word section of the Guide. Thank you and Merry Christmas!

    And you too, Beloved! Merry Christmas!

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,108

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."