22.0 (22.0.23) is now available
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Having a non mobile friendly forum in 2023 is hard to believe.
As long as it doesn't sacrifice the important features we have now. I don't frequent many forums. A couple are more "mobile friendly" than this one... but they would not adequatly suit the needs on this site.
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- Actual indexing is faster as the Bible Index was removed. Updates with Bibles or Morphology resources is faster and a Rebuild is much faster.
- Did you mean that the multiple "indexing" that often occurs with successive updates could be improved?
- the Indexer can run for reasons other than indexing Library resources e.g. datasets, updates to Auto Complete
- if the Indexer is running don't restart for a software update until it is complete.
I don't want to complain since I know that indexing is required. But it still sucks anyway. Especially on those days on which updates arrive, which happens during normal working hours here in Europe. And since the updates rarely all come at the same time, I usually get interrupted by the indexer two or three times, sometimes more.
I really wonder why the indexes can't be downloaded just like the resourced, any only be merged on the local computer.
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Having a non mobile friendly forum in 2023 is hard to believe.
As long as it doesn't sacrifice the important features we have now. I don't frequent many forums. A couple are more "mobile friendly" than this one... but they would not adequatly suit the needs on this site.
Too many things are broken. The "existing features" are negligible in my opinion. There's no proper overview of "my threads". Forum search isn't working at all, but there's no warning about that. So unsuspectig users will just think that there are no search hits.
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I don't want to complain since I know that indexing is required. But it still sucks anyway. Especially on those days on which updates arrive, which happens during normal working hours here in Europe. And since the updates rarely all come at the same time, I usually get interrupted by the indexer two or three times, sometimes more.
Jan, why don't you se the program to download updates only in a specific window of time, say midnight to 3 AM? It will then download overnight, index overnight, you start working in the morning and it's ready to go. You would have to leave the program running, but I have only restarted my program when required by a software update - it's been months since I shut it down, and it runs fine. Just a thought if that approach would be less painful for you.
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Let the software (logos) have a check box to scan and index and make searchable the forums.Having a non mobile friendly forum in 2023 is hard to believe.
As long as it doesn't sacrifice the important features we have now. I don't frequent many forums. A couple are more "mobile friendly" than this one... but they would not adequatly suit the needs on this site.
Too many things are broken. The "existing features" are negligible in my opinion. There's no proper overview of "my threads". Forum search isn't working at all, but there's no warning about that. So unsuspectig users will just think that there are no search hits.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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The new version numbering is a bit confusing. I’m not sure why Logos didn’t stick with versioning the engine with 10.x releases, then simply continue to offer a difference between the free engine/Basic and the features that are included with L10 packages.
Moving forward, it’s going to be really confusing to say, “I have Logos 10, wait no, 23, wait…”.
Dr. Nathan Parker
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I’m not sure why Logos didn’t stick with versioning the engine with 10.x releases,
One of the reasons is the nomenclature confuses people. The basic software engine (i.e. Logos 10.1) is really unrelated to the Library and Data Sets (i.e. "Logos 10."). There are still users, for example, running a "Logos 8" engine simply because they did not purchase a Logos 9 or 10 Library / Data Sets.
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I understand why the new numbering, but it is a bit confusing. I don't care a lot, but if I was King for a day, I'd go back to the old way.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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I’m not sure why Logos didn’t stick with versioning the engine with 10.x releases, then simply continue to offer a difference between the free engine/Basic and the features that are included with L10 packages.
Think of it this way - Faithlife can save significant cost in support staff training by having all users on the same code which they will achieve by pushing (L23?) to all users who have not taken explicit action to stop it (e.g. machine doesn't meet minimum requirements for later version, no internet connection . . .). Users who have not purchased anything since L7 would be confused to suddenly be running L10 as long as the model for numbering kept the software and the resource packages tied together. So it was reasonable to change the version reference for either the resources or the software. They chose the latter. I am hoping that this will also lead to Logos & Verbum running the same code with the distinction existing only in the features level and allowing a third option for the liturgical Protestant churches.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I agree with Nathan about the confusion.
I think the confusion can be easily solved. Right now both 22 and 10 are Logos/Verbum "versions". So it's confusing to think / say / communicate that I'm running Logos 22 with Logos 10 packages / features.
If FL would consistently call 22 the "engine version number," that resolves the confusion. As in: I'm running Logos Engine 22 with Logos 10 packages / features.
The analogy is: I have an iPhone 11 running iOS 16. Or: I have a Samsung Galaxy S22 running Android 12.
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The question I have is what if you are running Logos 9 on an OS that only supports it and not Logos 10? What does the new engine update mean for those users (even if they have updated to 10 already as I have for my more up-to-date machine).
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The question I have is what if you are running Logos 9 on an OS that only supports it and not Logos 10? What does the new engine update mean for those users (even if they have updated to 10 already as I have for my more up-to-date machine).
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Welll.... after reading through this thread.... L10, V22, Verbum, Logos, Silver, Bronze, Platinum, Feature set ... well...It's just downright confusing.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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The analogy is: I have an iPhone 11 running iOS 16. Or: I have a Samsung Galaxy S22 running Android 12.
I know what you mean, but for diagnostic purposes I should state that I have the v22 Logos app under Windows 11 running Verbum 9 Bronze!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Hi I have Logos 9 ver 9.17.0.0020 and when I use your download link it says my Logos is up to date. I cannot download ver 22.0.23
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I have Logos 9 version 9.17.0.0020 and cannot update to 22.0.23 it says my Logos is up to date
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I have Logos 9 version 9.17.0.0020 and cannot update to 22.0.23 it says my Logos is up to date
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Hi I have Logos 9 version 9.17.0.0020 and cannot update to version 22.0.23 as it says my Logos is up to date
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If you have not purchased Logos 10, you cannot yet download ver 22. However, when ver 23 is released you will automatically be upgraded to it, if you have automatic update turned on.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I re-read this thread.... here's an analogy...
Say you are a software developer with help... only you... and you develop "Best" software package in 1999. Everyone loved it.... it ran on windows.... was the greatest all was good.
Then someone bough an apple..... so you say "Hey, I'm missing sales by not having "Best" run on apple". So being the money run developer you are .... you develope "Best" to run on apply. It not runs on apple....and windows .... world is round... all is good.
Then windows comes out with a new version... more develop of "Best" to run on new windows version...
Then new machines come out....that won't run old windows.... and thus "Best" won't run now...... more development to make "Best" run on new windows machines..... but you still have to maintain the old "Best" to run on the old machines.
Now.... multiply the above by a factor of say 10.... now you have many old machines and old versions of "Best" ... for both apply and windows... that have to be "re-developed" every time changes to machines or software is made....
So your choice? 1. Hire more people to keep up with all the changes... which adds to money costs....which cost the price of "Best" to go up....nothing is free....
Or 2. make one package of "Best" that will suffice for all. Keeping costs down and hopefully not having to raise price of "Best" beyond normal cost of living rises.
It may not be a good analogy... but it seems logical... [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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It may not be a good analogy... but it seems logical.
It is reasonable[:)]
I trust you know that it is really not about machines, but the different OS versions (Windows/Mac) and that the v23 Desktop app is (still) only guaranteed to run on supported versions of the OS.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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It may not be a good analogy... but it seems logical.
It is reasonable
I trust you know that it is really not about machines, but the different OS versions (Windows/Mac) and that the v23 Desktop app is (still) only guaranteed to run on supported versions of the OS.
Logos Minimum System Requirements shows macOS Big Sur 11 or newer is needed (Logos 9 is usable on older macOS Mojave 10.14 & macOS Catalina 10.15)
Logos Wiki has Logos Release History that includes macOS Ventura 13 released 2022 Oct 24 , macOS Monterey 12 released 2021 Oct 25 , & macOS Big Sur 11 released 2020 Nov 12 (so the current minimum macOS system requirement for the latest Logos & Verbum stable release is one of the last three macOS releases)
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Hi I have Logos 9 version 9.17.0.0020 and cannot update to version 22.0.23 as it says my Logos is up to date
If you want early access without paying anything... https://community.logos.com/forums/t/213761.aspx.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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