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Christian Alexander
Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

I see where in John 11, John carefully used a different word (dakryein) for Jesus’ tears, a word that is not used elsewhere in the New Testament. I read this in Borchert. Is there any further research on this topic? 

Gerald L. Borchert, John 1–11, vol. 25A of The New American Commentary (Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1996), 360.

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,087

    John 11:35 

    First, just for your academic specificity, John was a later tradition. 'The writer of John ...'

    Second, did you talk with the writer?  He 'carefully' used ...  really?

    Third, if you consulted with late 2nd Temple writings available at the time, you'd notice the verb's typical usage in Jewish writings (Maccabees, Sirach, etc)

    Fourth, v35 would give you a better clue, specifically Jewish mourning rites by gender, and the associated greek

  • Christian Alexander
    Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭

    John 11:35 

    First, just for your academic specificity, John was a later tradition. 'The writer of John ...'

    Second, did you talk with the writer?  He 'carefully' used ...  really?

    Third, if you consulted with late 2nd Temple writings available at the time, you'd notice the verb's typical usage in Jewish writings (Maccabees, Sirach, etc)

    Fourth, v35 would give you a better clue, specifically Jewish mourning rites by gender, and the associated greek

    DMB I am citing the NAC Commentary on John. 

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,087

    DMB I am citing the NAC Commentary on John. 

    Well, there's your first problem.  Commentary writers that assign peculiarity/emotion to a writer, need to demonstrate the writer's intent (not easy).  Especially just opening a Septuagint (the 'graphia' of the times) would do the trick!

    Not to make your effort more difficult, but consider from NABre, same greek lemma, Sirach 31:13 :

    "Remember that the greedy eye is evil. 

    What has been created more greedy than the eye? 

    Therefore, it weeps for any cause."

    A closer parallel might be 2 Mac 4:37:

    "Antiochus was deeply grieved and full of pity; he wept as he recalled the prudence and noble conduct of the deceased."

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,105
    1. Select the word in John 11:35
    2. Right click to open context menu
    3. select lemma on left; Bible Word study on right
    4. look at lemma in passage section for commentaries that touch on the matter

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  • Beloved Amodeo
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  • Christian Alexander
    Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭

    This book is fantastic. Started reading it Wednesday. 

  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    This book is fantastic. Started reading it Wednesday. 

    Glad to hear it.

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

    International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

    MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD