Can not find N’darim 15a reference in the Talmud Babylonian or Jerusalem in Logos search

I changed to Logos to incorporate ancient Literature search so I can get Talmud results. This one is the latest I am unable to locate even in the book from Logos. I found it on sefaria but that defeats the purpose of getting the advanced search capabilities. Am I doing something wrong or is it not a "complete" Talmud that you would get from like artscroll and such?

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DMB

I guess the obvious question; are you referring to vows guidance? Nedarim 15a?

Joe Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249213#Comment_1249213

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249215#Comment_1249215

You need to look at the front material to see if N'darim is Nedarim which I am quite sure it is. Then you need to find folio 15A which is within chapter 2 (13B-20B) by entering it in the reference box. Then search the folio page manually.

Joe Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249221#Comment_1249221

Yes it was Nedarim which is how I found the text in sefaria, I found it Thank you. I wonder is there a way to integrate this resource better? I know learning curve will be a bit but I am excited to connect this book with others.

Blessings

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249227#Comment_1249227

If you let us know a little more about how you're studying and wanting to use Logos, help is available.

For example, in my case, in my main layout, I have the Mishnah/Talmud set to follow my Bibles, using pre-existing tags.

Joe Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249233#Comment_1249233

My desire is when there is a topic like "freedom of choice" it can pull up m. Pirqe Abot 3:19. I wish to connect all my ancient resources to get maximum benefit so that it pulls like verses, topics into my studies. Having Mishnah/ Talmud set follow my Bibles would really help in this.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249243#Comment_1249243

Regarding topics, I'm not too knowledgeable on that, vs Jewish sources. The Ancient Literature tool is good, but that demands a Bible reference as a start. Hopefully others will have advice.

Normally for topics, I use Daniel Retter's Talmud Bavli Indexed Reference Guide (available english and hebrew), currently on Big-A used $10!

https://www.amazon.com/Hamafteach-Letalmud-z-Subject-Reference/dp/1583303308/

Regarding linking your Bible to Jewish sources, I made a quick layout for illustration below.

- Top left is the Tanakh; on the right are various Jewish sources ... Mishnah, Babylonian, Tosefta, Mekilta, etc

- On the bottom left, is the 'Cited By' tool (in Logos, in the Tools menu). If finds existing cross-references in your books.

- In my library, I tag all my Jewish books (eg JewishTalmud, etc); some people alternatively like to put them in Collections. Either is needed first, for the Cited By tool.

- Then, in the Cited By tool, there's an 'Add' button on the top-right. I select my tagged Jewish books

- After that, I can link the Cited By to my Tanakh, and the sources will follow my Bible.

- Or, in the illustration below, I can type in a Jewish-source reference, and it will find all the cross-references in my Jewish sources I've tagged, with associated snippets.

Joe Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249283#Comment_1249283

Thank you I will try to reproduce your desktop and organize better. I will be getting Daniel Retter's book will make it simpler to find the portions I need. To bad Logos doesn't bring it into their system. Was asking them about FFOZ books no response yet.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249400#Comment_1249400

The way to request books be added to Logos/Verbum is to add the request to the Logos Book Requests | Faithlife including the ISBN number and then post in the suggestions forum with a link to encourage voting on the feedback site.

Joe Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249283#Comment_1249283

I did find an app (HaMafteach) so I didn't have to buy the book they have them for both android and apple [:)]. On your tagging system to set up your desktop do they all have the same name or do you use different ones if so how do you seperate them out. How are they all connected? When you scroll the Tanakh do all resources follow? sorry for all the questions.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249601#Comment_1249601

I did find an app (HaMafteach) so I didn't have to buy the book they have them for both android and apple Smile .

Thank you! Downloaded. I wondered why the app download was sizable ... includes the text too. Great.

On your tagging system to set up your desktop do they all have the same name or do you use different ones if so how do you seperate them out.

Remember you can assign multiple tags (different names) to a book. So, it depends on your planned use. I have tags that begin with 'Jewish' (eg JewishTalmud, JewishJosephus, etc) that allow me to quickly find Jewish-specific writings typing 'Jewish), while also using the tag in a Cited By panel (eg JewishTalmud). Grouping really depends on your study.

An example is Jastrow's Targums/Babli Dictionary, which I tag in my Aramaic Lexicons group, and also in JewishTalmud group.

How are they all connected? When you scroll the Tanakh do all resources follow?

That's the magic of Logos. Using a Cited By panel (and your tagged books), linked to your Bible, as you study verses, Cited By scans your Talmud (as an example) for any references to that verse. Clicking on a found reference (in Cited By) opens to the appropriate Talmud location. In my example layout, I had the right-side with the books already opened for quick use.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249614#Comment_1249614

Here's my 'Jewish' tags:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249215#Comment_1249215

From a Talmud reference, a Books search can find references & all the text of Nedarim 15A

babTalmudFolio:"Nedarim 15A" OR milestone:babTalmudFolio:"Nedarim 15A"

Keep Smiling [:)]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249644#Comment_1249644

From a Talmud reference, a Books search can find references & all the text of Nedarim 15A

babTalmudFolio:"Nedarim 15A" OR milestone:babTalmudFolio:"Nedarim 15A"

Not quite. Just as one must use both the British and American spellings in order to have a complete search, the Talmud has at least two reference systems. so one must also check for babTalmud:"Nedarim 2:1n, I.1.E–M"

Joe Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1249651#Comment_1249651

My apologies I struggle to connect the table of contents in Logos with my brain. I am able to locate it on this site but then trying to find it here I am lost. Is there a Table of contents that shows this? I think I understand but then I don't. Blessings and thanks for any insight if available.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256011#Comment_1256011

That appears to be from Genesis Rabbah. And as far as I know, the closest Logos resource (copy of the passage below):

Confronting Creation: How Judaism Reads Genesis: An Anthology of Genesis Rabbah

However, this resource is page-numbers only; you have to use the TOC to find what you want.

Regarding 'how do you find it in Logos', it's either be familiar with the various Jewish writings , or 'Google' it and see how 'translated'. The century-old Jewish Encyclopedia has a good lookup.

Joe Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256016#Comment_1256016

Thank you, I was looking up on google but I am sure my phrasing was off since I didn't come up with an alternate that I was able to see in Logos. I saved website Jewish encyclopedia see if I am able to gain some traction.