BUG? Why does the search on the left work but the wild card does not?

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,098
edited November 21 in English Forum

See Data BUG: systemic issue - why Jerusalem (city) rather than inhabitants of Jerusalem - Logos Forums for background. As a result of this issue I wanted to run a search to see how frequently the killing label attribute of victim was a place rather than a person ... but the search fails. On the left are successful search; on the right, the failed search.

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,674

    As a result of this issue I wanted to run a search to see how frequently the killing label attribute of victim was a place rather than a person

    You can't wildcard a value, but you can do that for the attribute. So killing:victims:*  --->  should be any person.

    killing:(location:place:Jerusalem AND victims:place:Jerusalem) should not be allowed.  I thing the label tagging was skewed because Judg 1:8 states that Jerusalem was attacked, so it (the place) became the victim instead of "Men of Jerusalem" (which does not exist).

    EDIT:  Faithlife could elect NOT to have a Victims attribute in cases where a Person does not exist.

    killing:(victims:person:"Absalom (Son of David)" AND  location:place:"Forest of Ephraim")  --> shows where Absalom was killed.and killing:victims:place:"Forest of Ephraim" does not produce a result.

    Note that you cannot create a user label where an attribute has two datatypes:

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    The original Reference attribute was a Bible Reference. After I created the duplicate attribute and selected Biblical Thing, the original attribute also became a Biblical Thing!

    Dave
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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,098
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1253367#Comment_1253367

    Faithlife could elect NOT to have a Victims attribute in cases where a Person does not exist.

    I would not be happy with that solution ... a killing must have a victim whether explicitly stated or implicit from context. I would prefer more "inhabitants of" entries which more accurately reflects the meaning.

    I find several victiim:place: entries in the documentation as well as victim:person: entries.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,674
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1253402#Comment_1253402

    I would not be happy with that solution ... a killing must have a victim whether explicitly stated or implicit from context. I would prefer more "inhabitants of" entries which more accurately reflects the meaning.

    I would not like that either, but I really dislike the notion that Faithlife can allow victims to be either a Place or a Person, when it should clearly be a Person e.g. "Inhabitants of Jerusalem".

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

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