OPENING MULTIPLE LOGOS INSTANCES (SESSIONS)
Is it possible to open multiple instances of Logos, so that when you are focusing on multiple areas / studies, you don't have to close anything? You can leave an instance open studying John, and quickly jump to an instance where you're reading / studying Ephesians, to another where you're digging into Greek or Hebrew. I ask because I have a need to do so, rather than opening and closing layouts. I know with eSword this was not a problem, however graduating to a cross platform application such as Logos it seems this is not possible in Logos 10. My system allows me to have multiple desktops, but even there I am unable to open multiple instances of Logos on separate desktops. Does anyone know if there is any possible way to achieve this? Thanks in Advance.
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Didn't you already ask in several threads?
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/35268/1259390.aspx#1259390
No, you can't. You can run a Verbum and Logos.
Or app.logos.com
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You can vote for it here:
https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/allow-multiple-application-instances
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Yes and I will continue to ask wherever until I get a satisfactory answer because its important to me.
Who are you? The thread police or the question police?0 -
Who are you? The thread police or the question police?
OK, you caught me. Member of the question police. The thread police usualy just ignore the multiple repeats. Smile!
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LOL! It's just so frustrating... Was hoping for a miracle answer from someone...
[:D]
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Is it possible to open multiple instances of Logos, so that when you are focusing on multiple areas / studies, you don't have to close anything?
Not possible. Switching layouts for different studies can be accomplished by a keyboard shortcut or just one click of the mouse.
You can leave an instance open studying John, and quickly jump to an instance where you're reading / studying Ephesians, to another where you're digging into Greek or Hebrew. I ask because I have a need to do so, rather than opening and closing layouts.
Since the Logos app stays open, one can also easily and quickly jump to where one is reading/studying by using respective layouts ... what's the big deal of multiple instances of Logos using up multiple amounts of resources etc. rather than using layouts? Is it really necessary to have - metaphorically speaking - multiple desks with multiple resources and jumping from desk to desk? Or would it be just as convenient to have one desk and in one step just change the resources on the desk needed for a different task?
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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It might not be a big seal to you.
I don't ask for your opinion, nor do I ask you about you methods. So please don't ask me about mine.
If you can't offer a solution than its none of your business, just ignore my request.
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It might not be a big seal to you.
I don't ask for your opinion, nor do I ask you about you methods. So please don't ask me about mine.
If you can't offer a solution than its none of your business, just ignore my request.
Oh dear ... ? [:^)]
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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I don't ask for your opinion, nor do I ask you about you methods. So please don't ask me about mine.
If you can't offer a solution than its none of your business, just ignore my request.
Patrick, in order for us to provide the best answers rather than just an answer, we need to know what you are trying to achieve. Often this will lead us to recommend a more appropriate tool or an alternative way of considering the issue. We are just fellow users of the software who are trying to help others use the software in ways that meets their needs. We have to cooperate with one another if that is to happen.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Patrick, I understand what it is like to be frustrated, but please understand, your question has been answered. There is currently no way to open multiple instances of Logos at one time.
A number of people have offered assistance in working around this limitation. I have implemented a number of these suggestions myself and they have greatly improved the speed in which I am able to switch between layouts. Most everything I have learned in using Logos has come from our wonderful, fellow Logos users on this forum. If we were to know your specific needs, perhaps we could give you more specific suggestions.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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what's the big deal of multiple instances of Logos using up multiple amounts of resources etc. rather than using layouts? Is it really necessary to have - metaphorically speaking - multiple desks with multiple resources and jumping from desk to desk?
What's the big deal?
Is it really necessary?
Oh dear what did I say wrong?
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MJ, I don't have any issues whatsoever cooperating with people trying to understand what I'm trying to achieve, it's the tone and the questioning I don't appreciate.
If you read the above it's like they're saying; why are you even asking for this, because to them its unnecessary. Whereas to me it is.
I am looking for a solution to a clear limitation which I see with a program I have invested in. Just because some don't see the value in my request doesn't give them the right to belittle what I am asking for.
As fellow users if the criticism or question is not constructive then please don't provide it.
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I am looking for a solution to a clear limitation which I see with a program I have invested in.
Do you have any programming experience? If you do, you will know that synchronizing data across all instances of an application is a very thorny problem as you have no control over the speed of the communication between the instances of the application but must still determine which actions are applied in which order to keep all the instances synchronized and correct. It is standard practice to design this synchronization to capture time and data by user by device by application simultaneous despite multiple operating systems. You are asking that the synchronization be by session (task number) by user by device by application across multiple operating systems. This adds the data I/O on a single machine as a variable ... how do you synchronize "mass updates" e.g. adding a tag to a group of resources in the library with individual requests e.g. adding a note? or a separate mass update. Even with only one instance running under a user id on a machine, this will occasionally fail in Logos as the second request assumed that the first request was completed when it was still in progress. At this time, the technology is such that to allow multiple instances would slow performance down significantly while incurring a significant development and maintenance cost. I would assume that technology will address the issues that make you want to have multiple instances running simultaneously on the same user account on a single machine. It you trust my crystal ball, I suspect it will be some form of virtual session in order to minimize the resources required for the storage and synchronization in the near term. For the long term I make no prediction.
All of which boils down to my admitting that were your request to be implemented, I would be rather aghast at the Faithlife prioritization of a feature that fails all reasonable cost analysis measures. That is not to say I don't recognize the appeal of the feature as I do at times run an instance of Logos and one of Verbum simultaneously on a single account on a single machine. I do so knowing where the pitfalls of doing so lie.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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And your tone isn’t appreciated either. Your question has been answered. It’s not possible to have multiple instances of Logos. Ask for a refund and try other software.
Bob
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I happen to do have programming experience and proper virtualization / sandboxing would make this a complete non issue. Not requiring all the cortions you explained and even less your crystal ball.
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I happen to do have programming experience and proper virtualization / sandboxing would make this a complete non issue. Not requiring all the cortions you explained and even less your crystal ball.
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Wish you could say it to my face little keyboard warrier. The answers have not been satisfactory so far and I'm not the one who started out with any tone. What I do with my money is none of your business. You don't like ny question, move on.
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MJ, I don't have any issues whatsoever cooperating with people trying to understand what I'm trying to achieve, it's the tone and the questioning I don't appreciate.
The tone of your note indicates otherwise rather clearly
I am looking for a solution to a clear limitation which I see with a program I have invested in. Just because some don't see the value in my request doesn't give them the right to belittle what I am asking for.
How exactly is the lack of multi-instances prohibiting or limiting your use and work with Logos which is not solved by the ability of the multi layouts functionality ?
As fellow users if the criticism or question is not constructive then please don't provide it.
I would - without looking in a crystal ball - state rather accurately that fellow users in these forums endeavor to provide constructive information and answers to questions! How are fellow users to know what YOU will not like and categorize in your reading as non constructive criticism?
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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Accordance has a different UI philosophy and allows for some of what you are looking for, in that you can open up multiple workspaces (a.k.a. layouts) at the same time. O.K., this is an extreme solution for me to suggest another platform, but some exegetes with extensive workflows really like the Accordance UI over Logos for this reason. Perhaps it could be said Accordance is a bit more like the late and now gone Bibleworks? This is why on feedbear there has been a suggestion to explore this in Logos.
I remember years ago Bob Pritchard explained that the Logos philosophy was to keep the UI as simple as possible. To this end, you are not able to manipulate the text panels to the degree you can in Accordance. (I.e. different background colors, fonts, font sizes, spacing for each panel, zones, workspaces, information panel). I prefer the Accordance way on this point in that I can make the UI fit my exegetical workflows better and their concept of ‘amplify’ is better than Logos floating tabs, but there are other points I prefer Logos on. For example, I find Logos’ guides and information panel extremely useful for quick and sharp actions to drill into my favourite collections.
All this to say that I am pointing to my primary use case of exegesis and textual studies. If the use case is more research or a digital study Bible, the Logos UI for some is likely more fine tuned to that.0 -
I remember years ago Bob Pritchard explained that the Logos philosophy was to keep the UI as simple as possible.
Well, that didn't last long! FL's library of videos to figure out Logos is larger than the library they sell (tiny exaggeration). Remember when Bob thought notes should be the little comments you write in your Bible?
But this thread did make me wonder, why can you run Verbum (re-badged Logos) and Logos at the same time? Probably some reason.
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But this thread did make me wonder, why can you run Verbum (re-badged Logos) and Logos at the same time? Probably some reason.
You can and I do. The only "glitch" I know of is that the download status of a resource is (or was) at the device level.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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proper virtualization / sandboxing would make this a complete non issue
You are correct that these are techniques that are used to handle/hide the issues; I was speaking at the physical/hardware level of what has to physically happen
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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proper virtualization / sandboxing would make this a complete non issue
You are correct that these are techniques that are used to handle/hide the issues; I was speaking at the physical/hardware level of what has to physically happen. Where I am having trouble figuring out how to help you is that I do not understand why you want a particular implementation that is costly to develop, increases resource requirements significantly, and slows performance. If you look at MSWord for example, you have multiple documents open in a single instance of the software. It is only in IDE's and server software that I have seen multiple instances of complex software running simultaneously. What is it about your process that makes you require multiple instances of the software? I can easily understand the need for multiple workspaces (i.e. with taskbar and command box) rather than simply multiple (floating) windows. Why isn't that a viable option for you?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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You can leave an instance open studying John, and quickly jump to an instance where you're reading / studying Ephesians, to another where you're digging into Greek or Hebrew.
Virtualization option for many instances is running Logos & Verbum in virtual machines (VM) where each VM can be running an instance of Logos and an instance of Verbum. Having Use Internet set to Yes in all instances would cause an update in one to be synced with Faithlife servers and all other open instances (with potential performance lag issues: e.g. modifying library prioritization). VM name could reflect study purpose. Also each instance can have different set of downloaded resources. Another option for more than one instance is more than one computer.
An instance can have floating windows:
- Studying John
- Studying/Reading Ephesians
- Greek
- Hebrew
Current Layout design saves & restores all windows in a desktop app.
Faithlife Feedback for Logos Desktop => https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app has 2,341 suggestions, which includes Allow multiple application instances having 30 votes with reference to forum thread SUGGESTION: Allow Multiple Application Instances that includes comment: "... floating window(s) currently do not have an option to show menu bar: Command, Home, Tools, Shortcuts, ... Adding show/hide menu bar option for floating window(s) would be appreciated."
Logos & Verbum can run at the same time for two instances. Personally I have my digital library available in Logos (~35K resources downloaded) and a demonstration account in Verbum (512 resources downloaded) on two macOS computers.
I am looking for a solution to a clear limitation which I see with a program I have invested in.
Logos & Verbum desktop apps were implemented using many SQLite database files where one desktop app has read & write access to database files (so desktop app design dating back to 2009 assumes one instance updates database content, which would be technically challenging to change - easier to use VM's to run as many instances as desired).
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