New Summarization Tool available for testing

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  • Tim Hensler
    Tim Hensler Member Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭

    Thank you, Simon’s Brother.

    Oh, for the good old days function with the good new days of AI.  What a combo that would be (Hint hint, Faithlife).

  • Steve Bentley
    Steve Bentley Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    Howdy,

    Is it easy to use?

    Yes. I opened up a resource, Expositions of the Psalms by Augustine, and typed Psalm 141 into the command bar. I pressed the "Summarize" icon and got a well written 4-paragraph summary of Augustine's sermon. It was a very simple and straightforward process.

    Are the summaries accurate and helpful?

    Absolutely. The resource is a translation of a sermon written 1,600 years ago that exposits an even older poem. It is helpful to be able to have a summary of the text written for the modern mind.

    Are the summaries the right length?

    I would have liked the summary to be a bit more detailed. It would be nice if there were an option to produce a more concise or a more detailed summary depending upon what the user plans to use the summary for.

    Is this something that would be valuable on desktop and/or mobile?

    Very much so.

    Anything else you think we should know?

    When I put Psalm 141 into my Passage Guide, I have more than 20 commentaries listed as potential resources. It would be great to see a summary of the relevant articles in each of the commentaries to help me prioritize which commentaries would be the most helpful. I'm excited to see y'all are testing ways to incorporate AI technology into the Logos ecosystem. I think it could revolutionize the way we do methodical study of Scripture.

    Cheers,
    Steve
  • Jaehwan Kim (Faithlife)
    Jaehwan Kim (Faithlife) Member, Community Manager Posts: 144 admin

    the way of summary is different in Korean UI.

    in English UI, it is summarize well even in Korean resource.

    스크린샷 2023-11-09 오전 9.25.02

    But in Korean UI, The Korean UI lists only keywords. In Korean resource, It makes keywords listed without numbers, while English resource include order numbers.
    스크린샷 2023-11-09 오전 9.24.53

  • Melissa Valle
    Melissa Valle Member Posts: 1
    1. Is it easy to use? Yes
    2. Are the summaries accurate and helpful? Yes, very much so.
    3. Are the summaries the right length? Not to long or too short. 
    4. Is this something that would be valuable on desktop and/or mobile? I use the app on my tablet the most.
    5. Anything else you think we should know? This feature will surely help me to utilize more of my resources more efficiently!!
  • Angel
    Angel Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    1. Is it easy to use? Yes
    2. Are the summaries accurate and helpful? Yes
    3. Are the summaries the right length? Yes
    4. Is this something that would be valuable on desktop and/or mobile? Yes
    5. Anything else you think we should know? Yes 

    I wish I had this tool all throughout college. Now I write for a ministry and read a tremendous amount of information to gain insight to various subjects. I can see how this summary tool will help with sifting through the articles to spend time on what is most important and relevant to the topic. I am looking forward to using this tool in the near future.  

  • Michael G Parry-Thomas
    Michael G Parry-Thomas Member Posts: 417 ✭✭

    I have been using a Summarization tool app for a long time 

    The app is called SemanTer Pro fully preserves the meaning of source text and enables you to determine summary size.

    Mick

  • I have not read all of the replies relating to this so excuse me if it has already been addressed.

    Highlighted a portion of an article from the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Dictionary on circumcision. The summary stayed on the last article that dealt with Chronicles. 

    Tried it The Bible lesson "Ten Minutes With the Word" it refuses to move the first lesson chose.

    Mission: To serve God as He desires.

  • Yasmin Stephen
    Yasmin Stephen Member Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭

    I have not read all of the replies relating to this so excuse me if it has already been addressed.

    Highlighted a portion of an article from the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Dictionary on circumcision. The summary stayed on the last article that dealt with Chronicles. 

    Tried it The Bible lesson "Ten Minutes With the Word" it refuses to move the first lesson chose.

    As far as I'm aware, the tool does not work on highlighted text. It works on the sections in the resource (as they're outlined in the table of contents). If you want a summary of "Circumcision", you can either select it in the TOC or scroll to the start of that section. You will then see the heading title at the bottom of the summarization panel. Below the heading title is the "summarize" button (if you don't see the button, click on the title, as sometimes it's hiding).

  • Jan Krohn
    Jan Krohn Member Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭

    By the way, in many cases, the first section of a resource often doesn't have a title or can otherwise be selected in the TOC, and therefore it's currently not possible to get a summary of such passages.

  • As far as I'm aware, the tool does not work on highlighted text. It works on the sections in the resource (as they're outlined in the table of contents). If you want a summary of "Circumcision", you can either select it in the TOC or scroll to the start of that section. You will then see the heading title at the bottom of the summarization panel. Below the heading title is the "summarize" button (if you don't see the button, click on the title, as sometimes it's hiding).

    Thank you. It functions as you stated.

    Mission: To serve God as He desires.

  • amarildo de freitas
    amarildo de freitas Member Posts: 2 ✭✭

    Essa nova função RESUMIR é muito útil, mas em vários textos pequenos deu a mensagem de que não poderia realizar o resumo, afirmando que o texto era grande.

    Uma dúvida, esse recurso será disponibilizado no aplicativo off-line?

  • amarildo de freitas
    amarildo de freitas Member Posts: 2 ✭✭

    Essa nova função RESUMIR é muito útil, mas em vários textos pequenos deu a mensagem de que não poderia realizar o resumo, afirmando que o texto era grande.

    Uma dúvida, esse recurso será disponibilizado no aplicativo off-line?

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,142

    This new SUMMARY function is very useful, but in several small texts it gave the message that it could not perform the summary, stating that the text was large.

    One question, will this feature be available in the offline app?

    Provide an example of "small texts"

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,142

    Its summary of:

    "The Book of the Twelve opens with the issue of divorce and turns to that subject again at its end (Mal 2:13–16)." Paul L. Redditt, Introduction to the Prophets

    is

    "The Book of the Twelve, which includes the books of Hosea through Malachi, begins and ends with the theme of divorce."

    It understood the significance of the Malachi passage when passages are often ignored. Very impressive.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Steve Bentley
    Steve Bentley Member Posts: 19 ✭✭

    Howdy,

    I think this is a great tool with a lot of potential. One thing that I think should be addressed is the size of the text the ai will analyze and provide a summary for. This needs to be greatly expanded - to include the ability to perform book summaries. A use-case example for this functionality would be the section of the Passage Guide that lists the various commentaries I have for a particular passage. Sometimes that number is very large, so I have to prioritize those commentaries using some methodology. That is often a guess. It would be great to be able to select those books and get a brief ai-generated summary of each to help guide my decision. I don't know what kind of IT infrastructure is required to do analysis on large sections of text, but it would sure be useful.

    Cheers,

    Steve

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,142

    Conclusion

    We conclude, then, that Matthew, Paul, and John all agree that the rapture of the church will occur after the middle of Daniel’s seventieth “week.” All three expect the church to see the eschatological Antichrist, Matthew and Paul explicitly anticipating the church’s witness of the abomination of desolation, and Matthew and John explicitly anticipating the church’s experience of the eschatological tribulation. And all three are best understood as placing the rapture of the church after these events. Furthermore, all three seem to depend on the same Jesus tradition for their view. The best reading of the exegetical evidence, then, is against a pretribulation rapture. But the best reading of the exegetical evidence also undermines a posttribulation rapture, because, though the church will be raptured after the middle of Daniel’s seventieth week, the evidence also demands that it will be raptured before the end of the week.  ----> Alan Hultberg, “A Case for the Prewrath Rapture,” in Three Views on the Rapture: Pretribulation, Prewrath, or Posttribulation, Second Edition, pg 141.

    The Summary for this is:

    "The conclusion is that Matthew, Paul, and John all agree that the rapture of the church will occur after the middle of Daniel's seventieth "week." They expect the church to witness the Antichrist and experience the tribulation. The evidence suggests that a pretribulation or posttribulation rapture is not supported."

    The original is very closely reasoned, especially over the last sentence, but the Summary does not capture that:-

    • only two witnesses expect the church to experience the tribulation ("They" is three witnesses).
    • the evidence is against a pretribulation rapture only
      • the posttribulation rapture is only "undermined" because Hultberg finds it occurs before the "end of the week" rather than at the "end".


    BTW, I corrected the Citation which had Hultberg arguing the case for the Pretribulation rapture.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Adam Borries (Logos)
    Adam Borries (Logos) Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 956

    The testing period for this tool is now closed. 
    Thank you, everyone, for your feedback, which has helped us make several important improvements to the feature. We have removed beta access to it for time being. 

  • John Goodman
    John Goodman Member Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭

    I tried it... My thoughts are

    1. I really want summaries of full chapters and full books. To summarize a section of a chapter feels to me like it isn't worth it because I would rather just read the full section.
    2. Summaries should take into consideration and fully quote with a citation the most popular highlights, with a link to said page.
    3. Summaries could also use the cited by tool to point out how others engage with this text.
    4. The summary should be able to take up the full book view just like the highlights can.
    5. Having used other AI, I would love to suggest that the AI be able to compare and contrast similar content / include a little factbook style report at the end pointing me to other relevant reading.
    6. I would love to be able to engage with a more substantial AI and ask it questions about the text.

    גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה