Alphabetise resources
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These are (and have always been) sorted by the number of resources by each author.
Are you submitting a request? Could you articulate it more specifically than what your subject line says? Do you want them to change the default sort order, or provide a "Sort By" menu?
BTW, I've always been bothered by this default sort order too, as I virtually *never* look for authors based on how common/popular they are.
It's how the sort order of facets in the Media Browser in Logos works too, and perhaps other areas in the app that I'm forgetting. It's a pretty standard use of facets, even if most of us don't find it intuitive.
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Rosie Perera said:
It's a pretty standard use of facets, even if most of us don't find it intuitive.
It might be standard for whatever reason, but I still cannot understand why these search facets are kept this way. It is totally not helpful, not intuitive or not serving the goal of searching. It's driving me crazy, especially when no alphabetical search option is given as an alternative. Why this search order by numbers of usage (or # books from an author or # media type) is a standard in Logos is absolute a mystery to me.
So, yes, please Logos: take care that sorting (results) in alphabetical order is at least available in search facets !
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Both should be an option.
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Luuk Dondorp said:
It might be standard for whatever reason, but I still cannot understand why these search facets are kept this way. It is totally not helpful, not intuitive or not serving the goal of searching. It's driving me crazy, especially when no alphabetical search option is given as an alternative. Why this search order by numbers of usage (or # books from an author or # media type) is a standard in Logos is absolute a mystery to me.
I must not have communicated clearly. I didn't mean it was some standard Logos made up. It is a standard for faceted searches in the industry.
I agree with you that it's not intuitive and not helpful, and I don't like it. I wasn't defending it. Just explaining why Logos does it this way.
Look at all the example screenshots here: https://www.coveo.com/blog/faceted-search/ Most of them do this same infuriating thing of sorting by number of matches and not having any way to alphabetize the facets.
There is a quite popular feature request on the feedback forum. Please go and VOTE THERE so even more voices can be heard:
Add alphabetical sort order for facets
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Luuk Dondorp said:
It might be standard for whatever reason, but I still cannot understand why these search facets are kept this way.
The assumption is that the user will not search through the facet list which may be very long, but rather will use the search box to find the facet they want. The exception being when a few facets are so dominant in usage as to be in the top 3-5. Hence, the use of count. Or as Bard says [quote]
There are several reasons why facets in faceted lists are traditionally provided in frequency of use rather than alphabetical order:
1. Efficiency and User Focus:
- Faster Exploration: Presenting the most frequent facets first allows users to quickly identify and select the most relevant filters, leading to faster exploration and discovery of desired items. Users often scan the beginning of lists, so having frequently used values upfront increases the chance of finding relevant filters quickly.
- Reduced Cognitive Load: Alphabetical order can be overwhelming for long lists, requiring more scanning and cognitive effort to find relevant options. By putting frequently used terms upfront, users spend less time searching and more time filtering.
2. Relevance and User Intent:
- Matching User Expectations: Users often start with broad filters and then refine their search based on popularity or familiarity. Frequency-based ordering aligns better with this natural search behavior, as users expect to see popular options first.
- Surfacing Hidden Gems: While less frequent options could be valuable for niche interests, alphabetical order might bury them under more popular terms. Frequency-based ordering can help surface these "hidden gems" for users who actively scroll further down the list.
3. System Optimization and Performance:
- Performance Improvement: For large datasets, sorting alphabetically can be computationally expensive. Pre-calculating and storing frequency information can improve system performance and responsiveness.
- Dynamic Adaptation: Frequency-based ordering can be dynamically adjusted based on real-time usage data, ensuring users always see the most relevant options first. This adaptability caters to evolving user preferences and trends.
It's important to note that frequency-based ordering isn't always the best choice. In some cases, alphabetical order might be preferred for:
- Standardization and Predictability: When consistency is crucial, alphabetical order can help users develop predictable search patterns across different faceted lists.
- Specific Needs: When users have a precise term in mind, alphabetical order can make it easier to find it quickly, regardless of its frequency.
Ultimately, the best approach depends on the specific context, user needs, and system capabilities. Some systems even offer the option to switch between frequency-based and alphabetical ordering to cater to different user preferences.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
The assumption is that the user will not search through the facet list which may be very long, but rather will use the search box to find the facet they want
That's all fine and dandy when there is a search box to find the facet you want.
I think the option to switch between frequency and alphabetical would be a good improvement for Logos. It would probably be easier to implement than a feature to search or filter the facets in one category looking for a particular one.
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Rosie Perera said:
That's all fine and dandy when there is a search box to find the facet you want.
I think the option to switch between frequency and alphabetical would be a good improvement for Logos. It would probably be easier to implement than a feature to search or filter the facets in one category looking for a particular one.
I dislike any implementation of facets without a search box ... bad design in my opinion. I also agree that given the target audience of Logos, an option between frequency and alphabetic is required.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I dislike any implementation of facets without a search box ... bad design in my opinion.
Agreed. Logos doesn't have one, either on the store/website or in the app where facets are used (Library, Media Browser, possibly other places I'm forgetting)
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Rosie Perera said:
Agreed. Logos doesn't have one, either on the store/website or in the app where facets are used (Library, Media Browser, possibly other places I'm forgetting)
The library has a filter:
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as does the Bible browser
It is missing in Factbook, Bible book explorer, Media tool . . .
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Yasmin Stephen said:
The library has a filter:
Ah, thanks! I was generalizing from the store screenshot above and my recent experience with the Media Browser (which I included a screenshot of). It was my wrong assumption that the Library worked the same way as the Media Browser without checking it out specifically.
So Logos needs to add this Filter command to the Media Browser and the Store.
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