Lemma searches don't return proper results when textual variants are present in the text

I've been noticing that lemma searches don't return all the results. Whenever there is a textual variant marker between two lemmas being searched, Logos won't return that text as a valid search result. For example, in the following three searches of The New Testament in the Original Greek: Byzantine Textform 2005, with Morphology. Logos Bible Software, 2006, Matthew 16:20 & Acts 9:34 should show up every time.

When searching for this phrase, no results are displayed: lemma.g:Ἰησοῦς BEFORE 4 CHARS lemma.g:ὁ BEFORE 4 CHARS lemma.g:Χριστός

When searching for the following phrase instead of a lemma, both passages show up in the results: "Ἰησοῦς ὁ χριστός"

When searching for the following lemma phrase, Acts 9:34 doesn't show up: lemma.g:ὁ BEFORE 4 CHARS lemma.g:Χριστός

In both of the lemma searches above, a textual variant seems to be preventing proper search results.

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DMB

Couldn't see your examples; did you use the paperclip, in the post-editor?

But just curious, what happens when you turn off the apparatus display (visual filter)? (Not a solution)

Sean Hachem

Couldn't see your examples; did you use the paperclip, in the post-editor?

But just curious, what happens when you turn off the apparatus display (visual filter)? (Not a solution)

Here are the screenshots. I'll try to remember to use the paperclip next time. Thanks.

Hiding non-Bible text using the visual filter had no effect.

Graham Criddle

In both of the lemma searches above, a textual variant seems to be preventing proper search results.

I agree that this does seem to be causing a problem.

It does return results if you substitute 4 CHARS with 1 WORDS

Does that help at all?

Sean Hachem

It does return results if you substitute 4 CHARS with 1 WORDS

Interesting. That returned some unwanted results. I was able to get the results I wanted by changing the 4 to a 5 in the position with the variant marker. But that only worked because I knew the marker was there. When I changed both numbers to 5, I got the same unwanted results that showed up with 1 WORDS.

I'll have to figure out how to use those proximity operators. There must be a better way to search.

Sean Hachem

It does return results if you substitute 4 CHARS with 1 WORDS

Does that help at all?

Actually, this solution does work. The "unwanted result" I saw was just something that I was missing because of the default search options. Is there a way I can change the default search to use THEN instead of 4 CHARS? The CHARS operator seems like a strange default.

Graham Criddle

the default search options

I'm not sure what you mean by default search options.

How are you generating the search - if not entering the terms manually?

Dave Hooton

When searching for this phrase, no results are displayed: lemma.g:Ἰησοῦς BEFORE 4 CHARS lemma.g:ὁ BEFORE 4 CHARS lemma.g:Χριστός

5 CHARS is needed, but it would allow a short word in between e.g. ὁ δὲ χριστὸς. But why insist on an exact CHAR spacing?

lemma.g:Ἰησοῦς THEN lemma.g:ὁ THEN lemma.g:Χριστός provides the results without the technicalities of spacing.

When searching for the following phrase instead of a lemma, both passages show up in the results: "Ἰησοῦς ὁ χριστός"

I think it is equivalent to Ἰησοῦς THEN ὁ THEN χριστός i.e. word spacing instead of exact CHAR spacing

When searching for the following lemma phrase, Acts 9:34 doesn't show up: lemma.g:ὁ BEFORE 4 CHARS lemma.g:Χριστός

That omits a lot more verses. Use lemma.g:ὁ THEN lemma.g:Χριστός

In both of the lemma searches above, a textual variant seems to be preventing proper search results.

Textual variant characters affect CHAR spacing in unexpected ways e.g. try it with the double ones (and comma) in Acts 9:33. But word spacing always works e.g. κραββάτῳ THEN ὃς (or κραββάτῳ BEFORE 1 WORD ὃς).

Sean Hachem

But why insist on an exact CHAR spacing?

That is the default search parameter, and I did not know how to change it. Is there a way to change the default from BEFORE 4 CHARS to THEN?

Sean Hachem

How are you generating the search - if not entering the terms manually?

I'm just selecting the Bible text and then clicking SEARCH in the box that pops up.