Logos Pro Review

BeeRye
BeeRye Member Posts: 21 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

Is it worth it ? What are your thoughts so far ? 

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,848

    It totally depends upon how you use Logos. For some people the AI assisted search is very valuable as they have trouble getting results from the standard search. For others who are used to building very precise searches, it is of little value. For some people, the summarization for results is very valuable for identifying the resources worth pursuing. For others, with small search collections that they know well, there's not so much value. The same holds for the sermon assistance and the resource summarization. Some user will use the features extensively, others will respond "meh".

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • BeeRye
    BeeRye Member Posts: 21 ✭✭
  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,848

    Ok but what are your thoughts personallly? 

    My personal opinion is exactly what I wrote. I don't find the sermon assistant features particularly useful as I have a very different view of appropriate illustrations - I would draw on traditional teaching stories from the major religions of the world; I would draw discussion questions from the scripture and occasionally liturgy rather than the sermon ... although I would pay attention to the aspects emphasized in the sermon. My study habits have only occasionally made use of summarization - mainly when I was so bored that I neither read the textbook (just the chapter summary) nor attended class. (True story ... I actually complained to the professor after the grades came out ... he eventually led me to a minor in the subject and helped me understand my primary interest as model theory in a time when the field did not exist). But I find the all search greatly improved to the point I am actually using it again ... it is back to be a useful way to scan the available materials on topics I know next to nothing about. However, the fact I'll use only a bit of it is irrelevant because in teaching users to do research in Logos, I would teach them to rely on the features I don't use myself but would use if I had 60 years less experience.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member, MVP Posts: 2,211

    My position is similar to MJ's, although for different reasons. 

    Personally, I did not find the features very useful at all. I am pretty proficient at search and can get what I want from the regular search better than the precise search. I used the illustration tool a few times and didn't get anything that fit my style (although one prompted another idea for me). The summarize feature just isn't the way I work. I'm a very fast reader and can skim the relevant section and get a better idea for it it will be helpful for me to read than I can from an AI summary.  

    On the other hand, I think it will be a great resource for many people. If you have a small library, the summary feature can help identify books to buy. If the current search is mystifying to you, AI gives you a Google-like experience. If you produce discussion questions for sermons or use the kind of illustration the software is designed to produce, it will save a bunch of time. 

    I'll subscribe when they figure out what they are doing with Connect subscribers, for the sake of my seminary students and helping on the forums. I don't see much reason for paying two subscriptions while I figure out if I will need to buy a full feature set. 

  • scooter
    scooter Member Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭

    If you have a small library, the summary feature can help identify books to buy.

    I believe you are saying the summary feature would identify a lacuna I could fill with purchases.  Maybe I don't have this right.

    So, I buy a book, go thru it with Summary + decide within 30 days to keep or not.

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member, MVP Posts: 2,211

    scooter said:

    If you have a small library, the summary feature can help identify books to buy.

    I believe you are saying the summary feature would identify a lacuna I could fill with purchases.  Maybe I don't have this right.

    So, I buy a book, go thru it with Summary + decide within 30 days to keep or not.

    Yes. The all search has already let you search books you don't own but it is hard to get much from the snippet. Summarizing the section is a much better way to see if I will benefit from the book.

  • scooter
    scooter Member Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭

    scooter said:

    If you have a small library, the summary feature can help identify books to buy.

    I believe you are saying the summary feature would identify a lacuna I could fill with purchases.  Maybe I don't have this right.

    So, I buy a book, go thru it with Summary + decide within 30 days to keep or not.

    Yes. The all search has already let you search books you don't own but it is hard to get much from the snippet. Summarizing the section is a much better way to see if I will benefit from the book.

    And thank you, Justin.

  • David Thomas
    David Thomas Member Posts: 3,272 ✭✭✭

    Summarizing the section is a much better way to see if I will benefit from the book.

    based upon my personal preference of sermon preparation and delivery, this is the ONLY thing about PRO that intrigues me. [I don't own full-feature set, but, like Justin, have full access through a current Connect Essentials (no resources) subscription.]

    Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Member Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭

    I found the features an intriguing novelty to play with.  After toying with them a few times, I didn't anymore. At subscription cost?  Nah for now. There are other reasonably effective ways to do the same things if I ever want them.  

    But it's worth keeping an eye on, The idea is good and may eventually go somewhere. 

  • James C.
    James C. Member Posts: 453 ✭✭

    If you anyone is interested, here is my first look/first impressions of the Logos Pro features. This is not a tutorial. I simply opened up the software after downloading the new features and started looking around. 

    https://youtu.be/hrfB3xKQL1k

  • Jim Erwin
    Jim Erwin Member Posts: 278 ✭✭

    After watching this video review from James, I am inclined NOT to get Logos Pro. The AI responses for the illustrations are similar (if not the same) from the free version of ChatGPT. Perhaps Faithlife is using a different set, but I don't see a difference. 

    I have honed my search capabilities over the years and I just don't see a compelling reason to spend money on a subscription for this when I can do the same with the ChatGPT from OpenAI or Bing both for free. I am not trying to promote other products. I am just saying that Logos Pro is not enough far along to justify the cost.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jimerwin/ - a postmodern pastor in a digital world

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,848

    Jim Erwin said:

    I am just saying that Logos Pro is not enough far along to justify the cost.

    I suspect that will be the judgment of many users. But it will be interesting to see how additional features develop for the fall announcement of a broad reworking of subscriptions.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Member Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭

    I supose features I have already purchased will continue to function at least until they are deprecated. 

    If a feature is upgraded, then how long until the old is deprecated - perhaps because it no longer works with updated datasets?  Is it subscribe or else? 

    And if the subscription model ends or changes, how many years of feature upgrades will I be surprised to purchase again when buy-to-own becomes the fallback option? Or are we pretty sure we are locked into a subscription model now for eternity--even if some products are owned, but may not work right or for long? 

    I understand the benefits of subscription to Logos.  But Logos isn't Adobe or Microsoft.  They have a quite different product. I hope in the name of longevity, that we don't get ourselves in a fix where we have a sort of puchase-to-own and sort of subscription and folks begin to lose confidence in how, and in what they are spending their money.


  • Tes
    Tes Member Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭

    I have my own way of studying, mainly an inductive system of Bible study. I appreciate any aspect that either helps to clarify my understanding or differs from that which helps me to rethink the best possible way of the appropriate standard of the meaning of my study.

    Blessings in Christ.

  • Tes
    Tes Member Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭

    It is obvious to have different views, but at the end of the day when it comes to practicality, everyone will see what is best for him or her. I think Logos staff are doing their best to make it more user-friendly for their customers. Uptonow they have seen the variety of everyone's wishes, the result of the comments they have seen so far will be seen how they will respond to them.

    Blessings in Christ.

  • James Johnson
    James Johnson Member Posts: 217 ✭✭

    Is it worth it ? What are your thoughts so far ? 

    As it sits now, I don't like it much.  The searching sucks and cant ever pull anything I need, or own however, I am able to search books I own.  As for the sermon stuff, I don't write sermons so I have no use for that at all.  The fact it has a limited "credit" usage but does not tell me how many credits I have per month, and the cost of each thing I use in credits until I reach 80% sucks.   Seams like it is more geared towards Pastors and not members of the church in general.   If they introduce a feature that allows me to search a commentary for the information i need pertaining to a verse or set of verses instead of having to comb through endless amounts of material to find the quick answer I am looking for then I will be sold on that alone, until then, I am not a fan at all.
  • James Johnson
    James Johnson Member Posts: 217 ✭✭

    Dude, stop begging for youtube views, seriously.  I've seen you post this in EVEY thread pertaining to this topic without any context or position whatsoever.  

  • James Johnson
    James Johnson Member Posts: 217 ✭✭

    My position is similar to MJ's, although for different reasons. 

    Personally, I did not find the features very useful at all. I am pretty proficient at search and can get what I want from the regular search better than the precise search. 

    Exactly. I spent endless hours and money on MPseminars to learn how to use parameters within logos searching tool, and now they come out with this garbage that don't even search half as good as I can as a human. 


  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,848

     If they introduce a feature that allows me to search a commentary for the information i need pertaining to a verse or set of verses instead of having to comb through endless amounts of material to find the quick answer I am looking

    I assume you are using the WITHIN milestone syntax?

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • James Johnson
    James Johnson Member Posts: 217 ✭✭





    For an example, when asking it to tell me the verse where Jesus was talking to the woman at the well, it just refers me to books I don't own and cant actually tell me where to go. 



    A fuzzy search of the same thing, in "bible" does a better job then AI... Mind you I am only using this as an example... I have tried many different examples of using the AI feature to search, and I have come up with nothing great. 

  • James Johnson
    James Johnson Member Posts: 217 ✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

     If they introduce a feature that allows me to search a commentary for the information i need pertaining to a verse or set of verses instead of having to comb through endless amounts of material to find the quick answer I am looking

    I assume you are using the WITHIN milestone syntax?

    For example I mean this:

    Reading john 1:1 and it says the Word was with God.

    I now want to look in a commentary about how the Word was with God.

    I open the commentary and use the AI feature to tell me "Find me information on how the word was with God within this commentary" 

    Viola - The AI shows me exactly where to look instead of me having to read through a bunch of information to find it.   
  • John Fidel
    John Fidel MVP Posts: 3,456

    Hi James,

    If you do a Book search rather than an all search you only get resources you own in the results.

    Smart search is not currently not optimizing bibles in an all or book search, which is why it is returning books. However you can do a book search, then use the dropdown to search a bible or collection of bibles. 

    I have found that less wording is better. Just type "woman at the well" with the quotes in a book search and it will get you resources specific to John 4 or type woman at the well without quotes and limit the book search to a bible or collection of bibles.

  • James Johnson
    James Johnson Member Posts: 217 ✭✭

    Or I could just use the searching parameters that I have spent hours and money on MP seminars to learn how to search in logos for free. 

    I was using the fuzzy search as an example that it's better then the AI searching however, I am very good at using parameters in logos and it's currently free. 

    The point is I really don't find any use of this if I have to pay for it.   If it was an added feature to my already faith life connect essentials sub, then sure, I'll take it.  But to add another payment.. not for me. 

    To breat it down I already pay for a payment plan, then I also subscribe to faith life connect essentials.  That's a total of $90 usd a month. Just to use logos. Now to access feature sets I need to pay more ?   I would rather buy the features outright or have an option to not include the AI portion of it. 

  • James Johnson
    James Johnson Member Posts: 217 ✭✭

    Or I could just use the searching parameters that I have spent hours and money on MP seminars to learn how to search in logos for free. 

    I was using the fuzzy search as an example that it's better then the AI searching however, I am very good at using parameters in logos and it's currently free. 

    The point is I really don't find any use of this if I have to pay for it.   If it was an added feature to my already faith life connect essentials sub, then sure, I'll take it.  But to add another payment.. not for me. 

    To breat it down I already pay for a payment plan, then I also subscribe to faith life connect essentials.  That's a total of $90 usd a month. Just to use logos. Now to access feature sets I need to pay more ?   I would rather buy the features outright or have an option to not include the AI portion of it. 

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,857

    I get mixed results and at this stage, I don't anticipate going to smart search as my first search in Bibles.  Of course in Bibles, we have precise and fuzzy searches which are mature technology for these resources.

    However, with that said for books, journals, etc, I really like that smart search seems to unearth a lot of different resources that precise search does not. 

    I also like the 'summarize' feature, which speeds up me sifting through which resources I should actually open to scan further. Huge time saver.

    Knowing that this is very early access and I am still learning how to phrase my questions to smart search (this is not a chatbot), I expect this technology to mature and my effectiveness to grow... so if it is already this good, the future is very bright.

    It has been a long time since we have seen a cutting edge technology come to the Bible software arena and my guess is that we are only starting to scratch the surface.

  • John Fidel
    John Fidel MVP Posts: 3,456

    James,

    Maybe it is not for you and you do not need to subscribe. I am not trying to convince you, just trying to provide some examples on how this works. It is not a chat bot, it is AI assisted search.

    Fuzzy search works better currently if you are looking for bible verses.

  • Manuel R.
    Manuel R. Member Posts: 368 ✭✭✭

    So, am I seeing this correctly, that as a Logos Pro subscriber you can not use the previous offline search?!

    My suggestion would be to be able to also search with the offline search. Also the local offline search index wouldn't be very important if you only search online. It is of course nice to be able to search books that are not in my library.

    But as I said I also want to be able to search if there is an Internet outage and/or I want to be able to select by which method I am able to search.

    Also what I found interesting in researching the main location of each old testament prophet (northern or southern part / Israel or Judah) It was very difficult to find extensive overviews (only one big and one reduced).

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,181

    Manuel R. said:

    So, am I seeing this correctly, that as a Logos Pro subscriber you can not use the previous offline search?!

    No this is not the case. 

    The All search does use smart searcing unless you specify precise searching terms. In the Books search, you can specfiy which mode you want to use.

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,128

    Is it worth it ? What are your thoughts so far ? 

    I'm only interested in Smart Search, Results Summaries and Article Summaries.

    Smart Search needs to get smarter, but one learns to rephrase a query when you realise it does not understand syntax e.g. when did Judaism arise is essentially equivalent to when AND did AND Judaism AND ariseJudaism and the phrase "second temple Judaism" are  better understood.

    The Summaries are fair to good.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,181

    Hi Dave

    e.g. when did Judaism arise is essentially equivalent to when AND did AND Judaism AND arise

    I was intrigued by this comment so ran the searches (the smart search on the left) 

    The precise search - correctly - contains articles containing all of the words specified while the smart search seems to be more trying to "answer the question"

    Am I missing something in what you are saying?

  • John Fidel
    John Fidel MVP Posts: 3,456

    I am finding that using quotation marks on key phrases improves the search results greatly, especially as you go down the list of results. I also leave out all the verbiage that would make it a question. For example studying Rom 13 and civil disobedience, rather than asking how does the christian reconcile what Paul wrote in Romans 13 and civil disobedience, I simply type Romans 13 and "civil disobedience" getting much more accurate results especially as I go down the results list. Using precise search such as bible:rom 13 NEAR "civil disobedience" produces results less on target.

    I am finding smart search valuable, but I am having to realize how to get the best results. Sometimes I just select text from the bible and run a books search getting really good results such as:

    "taxes to whom taxes are owed"  Being a CPA in tax season I found this one helpful!

    I can post screenshots, but suspect most will run the searches themselves.

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,857

    I agree. I am leaving out more and more verbiage. I have to force myself to think google search rather than ChatGPT. 

  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭

    I'm liking Smart Search personally. It seems to be working for me. I also like the Summarizing feature.  Due to being sick, I have not challenged Smart Search like I intend to... but it's coming... [8-|]   But, I love it already because, in what I've used so far,  I don't have to memorize all the "hieroglyphics" that went into the "old" Search.  

    xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member, MVP Posts: 2,211

    Here is an example of smart search working very well. Noticably better results than my first instinct for a traditional search "fattened calf" NEAR feed, and it highlights the answer to the question in several of the results. 

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    Overall, I found Logos Pro to be okay, but not great. While some of the new features were nice, such as the summarization tool, I preferred the old precise search over the new smart search for certain tasks. Many of the other features, like sermon illustrations and application, I wouldn't use as I prefer to use Scrivener and Google Docs instead of Logos Sermon Builder.

    I appreciate the work put into Logos and love the software, having spent over $70,000 on books within the platform. However, I feel that Logos Pro didn't fundamentally improve the quality of my Logos experience. To achieve that, I would like to see better AI-powered text-to-speech voices and the use of AI to segment Greek and Hebrew audio, allowing users to listen verse by verse with interlinears or learn and read original languages using a synchronized verse/chapter approach.

    In general, I prefer to do my own AI-related tasks. For example, when preaching, I take all my commentaries on a specific passage from Logos and create my own chat bot using a third-party platform, which offers a level of power and usability that I have yet to see in Logos.

    With the move to a subscription model, I have less incentive to purchase book packages, as I find the deals offered outside of Logos upgrades are usually not as appealing. I typically spend $1,000-$2,000 on new base packages with each iteration of Logos, primarily due to the excellent deals on books, especially packaged works of biblical, historical, and systematic theology.

    Regarding subscriptions, I tend to be fickle, frequently starting and stopping services like Netflix, Audible, and VidAngel based on my monthly usage and needs. I will likely do the same with Logos Pro, subscribing only during months when I heavily use a particular feature, then reverting to my Logos 10 setup. This is not because I dislike Logos, but because I need to be a good steward of my finances. If I'm not purchasing something I can own outright, I will only subscribe when I'm heavily using that specific product or feature.

    I hope Logos will continue to offer massive book packages similar to previous base package offers, with better price points than other collections. If so, I might continue to purchase these packages.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    Overall, I found Logos Pro to be okay, but not great. While some of the new features were nice, such as the summarization tool, I preferred the old precise search over the new smart search for certain tasks. Many of the other features, like sermon illustrations and application, I wouldn't use as I prefer to use Scrivener and Google Docs instead of Logos Sermon Builder.

    I appreciate the work put into Logos and love the software, having spent over $70,000 on books within the platform. However, I feel that Logos Pro didn't fundamentally improve the quality of my Logos experience. To achieve that, I would like to see better AI-powered text-to-speech voices and the use of AI to segment Greek and Hebrew audio, allowing users to listen verse by verse with interlinears or learn and read original languages using a synchronized verse/chapter approach.

    In general, I prefer to do my own AI-related tasks. For example, when preaching, I take all my commentaries on a specific passage from Logos and create my own chat bot using a third-party platform, which offers a level of power and usability that I have yet to see in Logos.

    With the move to a subscription model, I have less incentive to purchase book packages, as I find the deals offered outside of Logos upgrades are usually not as appealing. I typically spend $1,000-$2,000 on new base packages with each iteration of Logos, primarily due to the excellent deals on books, especially packaged works of biblical, historical, and systematic theology.

    Regarding subscriptions, I tend to be fickle, frequently starting and stopping services like Netflix, Audible, and VidAngel based on my monthly usage and needs. I will likely do the same with Logos Pro, subscribing only during months when I heavily use a particular feature, then reverting to my Logos 10 setup. This is not because I dislike Logos, but because I need to be a good steward of my finances. If I'm not purchasing something I can own outright, I will only subscribe when I'm heavily using that specific product or feature.

    I hope Logos will continue to offer massive book packages similar to previous base package offers, with better price points than other collections. If so, I might continue to purchase these packages.

  • Josh  Monda
    Josh Monda Member Posts: 53 ✭✭

    Not try to hijack this thread.  However as someone that went from Scrivener to Sermon Builder i am curious as to what is more appealing about scrivener to you?  Also I would be curious as to your set up as someone who has been using notebooklm to do the very thing that you discussed hear.  I have found it somewhat useful but still not quite where I would want it with its limitations.  Perhaps you have a different set up or are using something different for ”chatbot”. Of course I am no longer pastoring but I find I still often rely on what I used when I did pastor and still approach my studies in the same way. 

  • Josh  Monda
    Josh Monda Member Posts: 53 ✭✭

    Not try to hijack this thread.  However as someone that went from Scrivener to Sermon Builder i am curious as to what is more appealing about scrivener to you?  Also I would be curious as to your set up as someone who has been using notebooklm to do the very thing that you discussed hear.  I have found it somewhat useful but still not quite where I would want it with its limitations.  Perhaps you have a different set up or are using something different for ”chatbot”. Of course I am no longer pastoring but I find I still often rely on what I used when I did pastor and still approach my studies in the same way. 

  • Josh  Monda
    Josh Monda Member Posts: 53 ✭✭

    Not try to hijack this thread.  However as someone that went from Scrivener to Sermon Builder i am curious as to what is more appealing about scrivener to you?  Also I would be curious as to your set up as someone who has been using notebooklm to do the very thing that you discussed hear.  I have found it somewhat useful but still not quite where I would want it with its limitations.  Perhaps you have a different set up or are using something different for ”chatbot”. Of course I am no longer pastoring but I find I still often rely on what I used when I did pastor and still approach my studies in the same way. 

  • Armin
    Armin Member Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭

    I take all my commentaries on a specific passage from Logos and create my own chat bot using a third-party platform, which offers a level of power and usability that I have yet to see in Logos.

    I would be interested to hear more about this.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    Scrivener is really powerful when you know how to use it well. It's a lifesaver when you have tons of notes and source material, like when you're working on academic writing or a big research project. What I love about it is that you can break your writing down into separate sections, and each section has its own note window right next to it. This makes it super easy to keep track of your thoughts and references for each part of your work, whether it's a sermon or a term paper.

    Scrivener's note-keeping features are amazing and really user-friendly, which is why I think it's better than a lot of other writing apps out there. It's a fantastic platform for all sorts of writing projects, but it really shines when you're dealing with something complex and need to stay organized.

    That being said, when it comes to the final editing phase, Scrivener might not be the way to go. Its editing tools aren't quite as robust as what you'd find in Microsoft Word, and they're not as intuitive as Google Docs. But even so, Scrivener can get you pretty far – I'd say about 80% of the way there. And when it comes to keeping everything organized, Scrivener is tough to beat.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    Scrivener is really powerful when you know how to use it well. It's a lifesaver when you have tons of notes and source material, like when you're working on academic writing or a big research project. What I love about it is that you can break your writing down into separate sections, and each section has its own note window right next to it. This makes it super easy to keep track of your thoughts and references for each part of your work, whether it's a sermon or a term paper.

    Scrivener's note-keeping features are amazing and really user-friendly, which is why I think it's better than a lot of other writing apps out there. It's a fantastic platform for all sorts of writing projects, but it really shines when you're dealing with something complex and need to stay organized.

    That being said, when it comes to the final editing phase, Scrivener might not be the way to go. Its editing tools aren't quite as robust as what you'd find in Microsoft Word, and they're not as intuitive as Google Docs. But even so, Scrivener can get you pretty far – I'd say about 80% of the way there. And when it comes to keeping everything organized, Scrivener is tough to beat.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    When it comes to creating customized chatbots using your own materials, here's what I've been doing lately. First, I gather all the commentaries I've read on a specific passage or subject, which is usually around 15-20 texts. Then, I copy and paste them into a Google Doc or Word document, which can end up being up to 200 pages long. Once that's done, I save the document as a PDF.

    Next, I use a platform called Poe, which allows you to create customized chatbots using your own data set (in this case, the PDF) and a variety of LLM engines. The cool thing about Poe is that you can create multiple bots using the same data and experiment with them to see which one works best for your needs.

    I recently used this approach when I was preparing to preach on Hebrews 13:7-18, and I was really impressed with the results. For example, I asked one of the bots to write a biblical theology of leadership based on that passage while keeping the entire book of Hebrews in mind. The bot came back with some excellent material that synthesized the information from the commentaries I had provided.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    When it comes to creating customized chatbots using your own materials, here's what I've been doing lately. First, I gather all the commentaries I've read on a specific passage or subject, which is usually around 15-20 texts. Then, I copy and paste them into a Google Doc or Word document, which can end up being up to 200 pages long. Once that's done, I save the document as a PDF.

    Next, I use a platform called Poe, which allows you to create customized chatbots using your own data set (in this case, the PDF) and a variety of LLM engines. The cool thing about Poe is that you can create multiple bots using the same data and experiment with them to see which one works best for your needs.

    I recently used this approach when I was preparing to preach on Hebrews 13:7-18, and I was really impressed with the results. For example, I asked one of the bots to write a biblical theology of leadership based on that passage while keeping the entire book of Hebrews in mind. The bot came back with some excellent material that synthesized the information from the commentaries I had provided.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    When it comes to creating customized chatbots using your own materials, here's what I've been doing lately. First, I gather all the commentaries I've read on a specific passage or subject, which is usually around 15-20 texts. Then, I copy and paste them into a Google Doc or Word document, which can end up being up to 200 pages long. Once that's done, I save the document as a PDF.

    Next, I use a platform called Poe, which allows you to create customized chatbots using your own data set (in this case, the PDF) and a variety of LLM engines. The cool thing about Poe is that you can create multiple bots using the same data and experiment with them to see which one works best for your needs.

    I recently used this approach when I was preparing to preach on Hebrews 13:7-18, and I was really impressed with the results. For example, I asked one of the bots to write a biblical theology of leadership based on that passage while keeping the entire book of Hebrews in mind. The bot came back with some excellent material that synthesized the information from the commentaries I had provided.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    When it comes to creating customized chatbots using your own materials, here's what I've been doing lately. First, I gather all the commentaries I've read on a specific passage or subject, which is usually around 15-20 texts. Then, I copy and paste them into a Google Doc or Word document, which can end up being up to 200 pages long. Once that's done, I save the document as a PDF.

    Next, I use a platform called Poe, which allows you to create customized chatbots using your own data set (in this case, the PDF) and a variety of LLM engines. The cool thing about Poe is that you can create multiple bots using the same data and experiment with them to see which one works best for your needs.

    I recently used this approach when I was preparing to preach on Hebrews 13:7-18, and I was really impressed with the results. For example, I asked one of the bots to write a biblical theology of leadership based on that passage while keeping the entire book of Hebrews in mind. The bot came back with some excellent material that synthesized the information from the commentaries I had provided.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    When it comes to creating customized chatbots using your own materials, here's what I've been doing lately. First, I gather all the commentaries I've read on a specific passage or subject, which is usually around 15-20 texts. Then, I copy and paste them into a Google Doc or Word document, which can end up being up to 200 pages long. Once that's done, I save the document as a PDF.

    Next, I use a platform called Poe, which allows you to create customized chatbots using your own data set (in this case, the PDF) and a variety of LLM engines. The cool thing about Poe is that you can create multiple bots using the same data and experiment with them to see which one works best for your needs.

    I recently used this approach when I was preparing to preach on Hebrews 13:7-18, and I was really impressed with the results. For example, I asked one of the bots to write a biblical theology of leadership based on that passage while keeping the entire book of Hebrews in mind. The bot came back with some excellent material that synthesized the information from the commentaries I had provided.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    When it comes to creating customized chatbots using your own materials, here's what I've been doing lately. First, I gather all the commentaries I've read on a specific passage or subject, which is usually around 15-20 texts. Then, I copy and paste them into a Google Doc or Word document, which can end up being up to 200 pages long. Once that's done, I save the document as a PDF.

    Next, I use a platform called Poe, which allows you to create customized chatbots using your own data set (in this case, the PDF) and a variety of LLM engines. The cool thing about Poe is that you can create multiple bots using the same data and experiment with them to see which one works best for your needs.

    I recently used this approach when I was preparing to preach on Hebrews 13:7-18, and I was really impressed with the results. For example, I asked one of the bots to write a biblical theology of leadership based on that passage while keeping the entire book of Hebrews in mind. The bot came back with some excellent material that synthesized the information from the commentaries I had provided.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    When it comes to creating customized chatbots using your own materials, here's what I've been doing lately. First, I gather all the commentaries I've read on a specific passage or subject, which is usually around 15-20 texts. Then, I copy and paste them into a Google Doc or Word document, which can end up being up to 200 pages long. Once that's done, I save the document as a PDF.

    Next, I use a platform called Poe, which allows you to create customized chatbots using your own data set (in this case, the PDF) and a variety of LLM engines. The cool thing about Poe is that you can create multiple bots using the same data and experiment with them to see which one works best for your needs.

    I recently used this approach when I was preparing to preach on Hebrews 13:7-18, and I was really impressed with the results. For example, I asked one of the bots to write a biblical theology of leadership based on that passage while keeping the entire book of Hebrews in mind. The bot came back with some excellent material that synthesized the information from the commentaries I had provided.

  • Timothy James Mills
    Timothy James Mills Member Posts: 48 ✭✭

    When it comes to creating customized chatbots using your own materials, here's what I've been doing lately. First, I gather all the commentaries I've read on a specific passage or subject, which is usually around 15-20 texts. Then, I copy and paste them into a Google Doc or Word document, which can end up being up to 200 pages long. Once that's done, I save the document as a PDF.

    Next, I use a platform called Poe, which allows you to create customized chatbots using your own data set (in this case, the PDF) and a variety of LLM engines. The cool thing about Poe is that you can create multiple bots using the same data and experiment with them to see which one works best for your needs.

    I recently used this approach when I was preparing to preach on Hebrews 13:7-18, and I was really impressed with the results. For example, I asked one of the bots to write a biblical theology of leadership based on that passage while keeping the entire book of Hebrews in mind. The bot came back with some excellent material that synthesized the information from the commentaries I had provided.