New Feature: Dynamic Resource Toolbar
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MJ. Smith said:
No, I meant I expected to see the Highlighter palattes for creating highlights.
The Highlighting tool isn't available on the web app. When this toolbar comes to the desktop app, a button to open that tool will be right next to the list of recent highlighting styles. You'll be able to click that button to open the tool and then use any of your styles. Because the toolbar contains the most recently used style, any style you use from the Highlighting tool will later be visible in the toolbar.
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Roy said:
And I should, from the same menu, be able to view the Multiple Bible Versions (Text Compare) display.
The multiview option (only available in desktop) is planned to go in the View tab, but that's different from the Text Comparison tool.
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Dave Hooton said:
I don't like Bibles opening with Insights when I want to read them efficiently and immediately!
Insights is a separate feature. Although it comes on by default for Bibles, if you close it for a particular Bible, it won't come back.
Dave Hooton said:The Reformat "endless submenu" has other items. The label needs to reflect that.
I think you might be right about that.
Thanks for the rest of the feedback, too.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Dave Hooton said:
I don't like Bibles opening with Insights when I want to read them efficiently and immediately!
Insights is a separate feature. Although it comes on by default for Bibles, if you close it for a particular Bible, it won't come back.
I think I must have tested it over refreshes of the Web App i.e. it reverted to default even though I had switched it off prior to the refresh/update. Otherwise, it does not come back.
Dave
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BUG: I enter Lk 1 into the reference box of a bible, Select Lk 1:1-80 from the drop down menu, Lk 1:1 is the entry in the reference box i.e. -80 is lost.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I have played around with the new Web app layout, and I really like it. It's much more intuitive. I like the new location of the back button and parallel resources, and I see how this new layout could be easily built upon in a way that would not appear cluttered. Well done.
Quick question: Where are my inline interlinear options? I feel like that button should be located under the view tab. Also, less important to me, I didn't see the translate button where I would expect to see it (next to info in the Go menu or in the Tools menu). I don't know why this was happening to me, but when I logged in to my account, the format went back to the old layout. When I logged out, the new layout appeared again. Perhaps these missing options are related to me having to log out of my account.
Also, I agree with others who have questioned the naming of the "Go" tab. If I have understood correctly, the Go tab's main role is to function as the primary tab that the user utilizes. Thus, selecting a name or icon that identifies it as "primary" would be more fitting than labeling it as "Go." This would also enable the primary tab to be used for buttons/features that should be prioritized but don't pertain to any kind of "Go" function. Obviously the label "Home" is already taken, but something like that is what would feel intuitive to me, as in Microsoft Word. Perhaps the use of an icon could communicate that idea. My two cents.
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks MJ for the clarification. Then my problems relate to the fact that I am not able to view the new layout while logged into my account. This is of no bother to me, since I don't use the web app anyway.
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The Notes filter on the web app shows a different number of notes and highlights than on the desktop.
Web shows:
while desktop has
It looks like it might be a counting error on web as the count shown doesn't match what is actually displayed (at least not in all cases)
For example, the filter shows 1 entry for Esther but the screenshot also shows 2 notes and a highlight in just a part of the book.
Am I misunderstanding how this works or is there a bug here?
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Thanks MJ for the clarification. Then my problems relate to the fact that I am not able to view the new layout while logged into my account. This is of no bother to me, since I don't use the web app anyway.
The new toolbar is not universally rolled out yet. For example, it's currently disabled for some academic users to ensure we're not disrupting professors who are midway through a class and have already prepared handouts or other training using the old toolbar. It should come to all users within a month or so.
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Graham Criddle said:
It looks like it might be a counting error on web as the count shown doesn't match what is actually displayed (at least not in all cases)
For example, the filter shows 1 entry for Esther but the screenshot also shows 2 notes and a highlight in just a part of the book.
Thanks for that report. From memory, I think we calculate these numbers differently on web and desktop (it's a long story...), but they shouldn't be out by that much unless you have thousands of empty notes (i.e. notes with nothing in the "Take a note" section). I presume that's not the case?
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Ali Pope said:
We’re thrilled to announce the rollout of our sleek new resource toolbar design on app.logos.com!
After gathering feedback and brainstorming ways to enhance user experience, we’re confident that this update will make navigating your books much easier than before. Our primary goal was to make the toolbar more intuitive, ensuring that every feature is easily accessible and understandable.
Here’s what you can expect from our revamped toolbar:
- Simplicity at its Best: We’ve simplified the layout and removed any clutter, so you can focus on what matters most - reading your books efficiently.
- Clear Visual Cues: Each button is carefully designed to represent its function, making it easier than ever to find the tool you need.
- Streamlined Navigation: Say goodbye to endless menus and submenus! With our new toolbar, everything you need is just a click away.
We’re committed to continuously improving your experience with our app. We’re planning to bring this new toolbar to the desktop app in the near future, so we’d love to hear your thoughts of it on the web app. It’s available to anyone using the web app right now!
Try out the new toolbar and let us know what you think in the Web App Forum. We can’t wait to hear your feedback!
Note: If you are in Limited View, you will not see this toolbar. You can change this in Settings.
I don't have it only I see this:"The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."
Blessings in Christ.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
Thanks for that report. From memory, I think we calculate these numbers differently on web and desktop (it's a long story...), but they shouldn't be out by that much unless you have thousands of empty notes (i.e. notes with nothing in the "Take a note" section). I presume that's not the case?
Thanks Mark
And, no, not lots of empty notes!
But I think I know what is happening - in the web app the notes filter just counts notes by selection and not by reference.
Whereas on desktop it shows both.
Is that intended?
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Tes said:
I don't have it only I see this:"The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."
What are you doing when you see this message?
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To echo one of Dave's thoughts, it feels to me that having "Insights" at the top of the info sidebar is an oversight. In my view, "Insights" should change to "Info" when the info bar is open.
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Tes said:
I just clicled on " app.logos.com! " and have got this.
True, the link given at the beginning of this thread doesn't work for me either. Try this link: https://app.logos.com
Or try searching Google for "Logos Web App."
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I'll ask again: is this supposed to work in browsers on Android? It does not appear for me there, but it does on all Windows browsers I've used.
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Lew Worthington said:
I'll ask again: is this supposed to work in browsers on Android? It does not appear for me there, but it does on all Windows browsers I've used.
At this time, our mobile web version of the web app has limited functionality and as such we are using a limited version of the toolbar at this time. But it is something that we continue to look into.
In other words, no it is not expected to be present for browsers on Android.
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Thanks for the new toolbar. I think it has potential but a few points of constructive criticism:
- I find the "Reformat Text" menu confusing. First, maybe there is a typo but under Resource is it supposed to say "Bible text only" as it does in the desktop app. That would make more sense because when I click on that then most of the formating disappears except the actual text.
- Sticking with "Reformat Text," when it's ported over to the desktop app, will there be two sub-menus: Reformat and Visual Filters? Now, in the desktop, all these particular options are under Visual Filters. But if we are used to calling them Visual Filters and now some or all of them go to Reformat, it could be confusing. In any case, I'll just mention that upon first glance, I found most parts of the new toolbar to be intuitive. I could find what I was looking for. Maybe it's just me, but I found the Reformat one confusing. And I wasn't sure where it might be going in future development.
- Click on "Search" only to find "Find," which is actually a different function (CTRL + F) in the desktop app is also confusing. In the desktop app the wording is clearer. Both the full Search Window and the Inline Search function have "Search" as the greyed out text in the search field before you start to type. "Find" is reserved for the CTRL + F function. Please keep searches with searches and finds with finds. When someone starts using Logos it is hard enough to differentiate between the two, but now it is even more confusing.
- The simple "Copy" command is not intuitive under "Share". It doesn't bother me much because for Copy & Paste I just use keyboard shortcuts. But many people rely on the menus. Normally "Copy" is found under an edit menu in a program. I realize Logos is different in that resources are not editable by the user. But if a user is looking for the "Copy" function I can't imagine they would go looking under "Share." Copy link, yes, but not simple Copy.
That's all for now. Thanks for your work.
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Jason Van Vliet said:
Sticking with "Reformat Text," when it's ported over to the desktop app, will there be two sub-menus: Reformat and Visual Filters? Now, in the desktop, all these particular options are under Visual Filters. But if we are used to calling them Visual Filters and now some or all of them go to Reformat, it could be confusing. In any case, I'll just mention that upon first glance, I found most parts of the new toolbar to be intuitive. I could find what I was looking for. Maybe it's just me, but I found the Reformat one confusing. And I wasn't sure where it might be going in future development.
The current beta of Logos 34.0 on desktop is also introducing these changes - so the web app is consistent with the next stable release (due in about five weeks time). On desktop, the visual filter menu now has these sections
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If I open the Notes filter in the Notes menu, there is a count of notes at the top as expected
If I turn off the Notes Filter, that count persists whereas I would have expected that line to be closed
It even persists if I select another menu - by which time there is no context for what it means.
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I am finding Chrome (on Windows) really struggling with the web app with nearly everything I do with the new toolbar resulting in an error. Edge seems much more able to handle it.
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I understand that translation from English is not supported - but would it be better to not show the Translate button (or at least grey it out) in this case?
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With the Share menu open, if I select a portion of text to enable the Copy button the Selection menu pops up, also with a Copy option.
As far as I can see, there is no option to disable the Selection menu in the web app - how are these intended to co-exist?
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Tes said:
I just clicled on " app.logos.com! " and have got this.
I've updated the link to work now. Sorry about that!
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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Graham Criddle said:
It even persists if I select another menu - by which time there is no context for what it means.
We are actually currently working on improving this behavior. Thanks, Graham!
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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Nick Mueller said:Lew Worthington said:
I'll ask again: is this supposed to work in browsers on Android? It does not appear for me there, but it does on all Windows browsers I've used.
At this time, our mobile web version of the web app has limited functionality and as such we are using a limited version of the toolbar at this time. But it is something that we continue to look into.
In other words, no it is not expected to be present for browsers on Android.
I did some testing on my Android devices and while the new web version did not show up on my phone, it did show up on my tablet. I’m guessing that this is due to the version of Android on my tablet being optimized for a more “laptop device” type experience?
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Ali Pope said:Graham Criddle said:
It even persists if I select another menu - by which time there is no context for what it means.
We are actually currently working on improving this behavior. Thanks, Graham!
Thanks Ali - good to hear
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Something like this should be implemented in the desktop as well. I like it!
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I use Chrome as my default browser but haven't had this issue.
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I use Chrome as my default browser but haven't had this issue.
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I use Chrome as my default browser but haven't had this issue.
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I use Chrome as my default browser but haven't had this issue.
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I use Chrome as my default browser but haven't had this issue.
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Steven Long said:
Something like this should be implemented in the desktop as well. I like it!
Hopefully implemented as an option, even if the default - leaving an option for the "Classic" toolbar would be beneficial for those who prefer it.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Roy said:
And I should, from the same menu, be able to view the Multiple Bible Versions (Text Compare) display.
The multiview option (only available in desktop) is planned to go in the View tab, but that's different from the Text Comparison tool.
Thank you for the reply Mark.
I do understand that the Multiview and Text Compare tools are different. Since the web app does not have the multiview tool I was considering the text compare to be a somewhat functional equivalent option to be able to "View" multiple bibles in one pane.
Keep up the good work!
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Steven Long said:
Something like this should be implemented in the desktop as well. I like it!
In Ali's initial post at the start of this thread she said:
Ali Pope said:We’re planning to bring this new toolbar to the desktop app in the near future, so we’d love to hear your thoughts of it on the web app. It’s available to anyone using the web app right now!
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Steven Long said:
I use Chrome as my default browser but haven't had this issue.
Thank you - that's helpful to know
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First - I really like it.
Second - When I click on notes filter, my bible notes aren't showing at all (screenshot).
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Aaron Hamilton said:Tes said:
I just clicled on " app.logos.com! " and have got this.
True, the link given at the beginning of this thread doesn't work for me either. Try this link: https://app.logos.com
Or try searching Google for "Logos Web App."
Thank you Aaron it works. I am now wondering what these new tools are.
Blessings in Christ.
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Graham Criddle said:Donovan R. Palmer said:
Am I missing something or does this mean the end of parallel resources button?
This is available from the Change book button
The placement of this dropdown made me completely miss it. It looks like just part of the reference box. It should be more prominently placed.
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In the web app toolbar the Corresponding words option is under the Reformat menu
In the current beta of 34.0 on desktop, this option appears under Emphasize. Shouldn't these be consistent?
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It's wonderful!
Blessings in Christ.
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Was there no Factbook filter on the web?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Was there no Factbook filter on the web?
No, there was not a Factbook Tags visual filter on the web app.
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Kiyah said:Graham Criddle said:Donovan R. Palmer said:
Am I missing something or does this mean the end of parallel resources button?
This is available from the Change book button
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The placement of this dropdown made me completely miss it. It looks like just part of the reference box. It should be more prominently placed.
Agree.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Donovan R. Palmer said:
Ah, missed that! Ok, that leaves the ability to put more than one Bible in a window.
That feature has never been available on the web app. When we bring this toolbar to the desktop, there will be an option to add a parallel text on the View tab.
it makes excited!
Blessings in Christ.
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Ali Pope said:
After gathering feedback and brainstorming ways to enhance user experience, we’re confident that this update will make navigating your books much easier than before. Our primary goal was to make the toolbar more intuitive, ensuring that every feature is easily accessible and understandable.
Here’s what you can expect from our revamped toolbar:
- Simplicity at its Best: We’ve simplified the layout and removed any clutter, so you can focus on what matters most - reading your books efficiently.
- Clear Visual Cues: Each button is carefully designed to represent its function, making it easier than ever to find the tool you need.
- Streamlined Navigation: Say goodbye to endless menus and submenus! With our new toolbar, everything you need is just a click away.
We’re committed to continuously improving your experience with our app.
Thank you for asking for feedback!
This might not be fair but my first thought was "Oh no... what have they done now?" I preferred the old selection menu to the new insights menu, and I prefer the old resource toolbar to the new one. I would have preferred to focus on better tab behavior, an often-requested feature, rather than changing something that wasn't broken.
Personally, I struggle to see how this makes "navigating your books much easier than before". Like the new insights selection menu on mobile, it just adds one layer of menus to get to what I need. I used to just click on the visual filter icon. Now I need to click on the "View" ribbon, then Visual filters? How is that saying "goodbye" to endless menus and submenus? I really don't understand the benefit... It seems like a major loss of efficiency. I am genuinely curious, if someone wants to explain where it actually is more efficient.
Second, you say "We’ve simplified the layout and removed any clutter, so you can focus on what matters most - reading your books efficiently." Screen real estate is a precious commodity. As I see it, rather than allowing us to focus on our resources, you have increased the amount of space the resource bar takes up - not just one place, but in every pane! (I know you can collapse it, but that defeats the purpose of making them accessible, and you have to manually do it each time?). This is probably my main complaint.
Third, you say, "Clear Visual Cues: Each button is carefully designed to represent its function, making it easier than ever to find the tool you need." I don't notice many differences in the icons, but I notice that each icon also has a label. This might appeal to the new user who has never used a particular button, but as soon as they have used it once they will know what it is, especially if each carefully designed. I'm happy they collapse to the icon when the pane is narrow, but still, the words are not visually appealing, especially as they show up on every pane, reminding me of how much space the new double-row resource menu is taking up.
I like the way the parallel resources copies the Mobile version. In general, I think the Mobile version has some much more intuitive aspects to it and I'm happy to see the Mobile version influencing the Desktop version. The rest of it I really don't like...
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