Commentaries marked as Monographs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16903#Comment_16903

Thanks Kenneth.

For the life of me, I couldn't work out why OBC worked in Power Lookup but was consistently overlooked in the commentary section of the passage guide. That explains it.

I have raised this issue a few times. It's a pity, that no one was able to explain this earlier as it's been a glaring omission for me each time I run the passage guide.

Robert Pavich

And not only that; in the PG when you click more, you get lots of "non-commentary" books...and this is probably the reason in reverse.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17007#Comment_17007

you get lots of "non-commentary" books

Aha!

As a corollary The New Manners and Customs of the Bible is NOT a commentary, but that is its classification. It's sister Manners titles are all monographs.

BTW Do your commentary sets function any better as a Series in Beta 5 (Serial association!)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17572#Comment_17572

BTW Do your commentary sets function any better as a Series in Beta 5 (Serial association!)

Nah. No difference here.

Vincent Setterholm

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17572#Comment_17572

As a corollary The New Manners and Customs of the Bible is NOT a commentary, but that is its classification. It's sister Manners titles are all monographs.

New Manners and Customs of the Bible is classified as a commentary because its primary organization is around Bible verses - each section attempts to explain a single passage (usually one verse, sometimes more) of the Bible, so that is just the type of thing we want Passage Guide to be able to find. The other 'manners and customs' books are organized completely differently, so they are 'monographs'.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17580#Comment_17580

New Manners and Customs of the Bible is classified as a commentary because its primary organization is around Bible verses - each section attempts to explain a single passage (usually one verse, sometimes more) of the Bible, so that is just the type of thing we want Passage Guide to be able to find. The other 'manners and customs' books are organized completely differently, so they are 'monographs'.

Vincent,

The following also appear in PG, but I've highlighted some inconsistencies regarding their classification:-

Revelation: Four Views --> commentary (on one book!)

Word Studies in the NT --> commentary

Wuest's Word Studies in the NT --> commentary

Word Pictures in the NT --> commentary

But

Lexham SGNT:Expansions & Annotations --> Bible Notes

Why are the other Word based resources classed as commentary?

A total of 7 Study Bibles are classed as commentary, except:-

KJV Study Bible --> Bible Notes

MacArthur Study Bible --> Bible Notes

Bible Notes also includes The So That's why! Bible which is not organised by bible verses!

See previous debate at http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1146/10180.aspx#10180

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17588#Comment_17588

Whatever the past reasoning for including "Manners and Customs" as a commentary. I would still hold that it is not a commentary. Nor do I think that Study Bibles are commentaries.

As we move towards a better way for dealing with metadata and the subsequent fixing of faulty and missing metadata, it may be opportune to begin looking at how some of these works are classified.

Hand in hand with this could come an extra optional section for the passage guide which shows information from study bibles or other related resources.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17591#Comment_17591

Hand in hand with this could come an extra optional section for the passage guide which shows information from study bibles or other related resources.

That is where I'm heading!

We could have more (Study Bibles), more (Miscellaneous) after creating a category Study Bibles to replace Bible Notes, and throwing the Study & Word oriented books into it (but not Manners and Customs!).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17599#Comment_17599

That is where I'm heading!

I know - I'm supporting you - and the silent majority

If only the defined passage guide wasn't set to have every single section run each time automatically, I'd even propose that this be added as a new section to that guide.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17600#Comment_17600

If only the defined passage guide wasn't set to have every single section run each time automatically,

Yea - that Stop button is a real kludge.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17670#Comment_17670

Yea - that Stop button is a real kludge.

Kludge?

"kludge |kloōj| (also kluge) informalnounan ill-assorted collection of parts assembled to fulfill a particular purpose.• Computing a machine, system, or program that has been badly put together."

really? a kludge? Why do you say that? how would you improve it?

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17692#Comment_17692

I could be wrong Joe, but I detected a hint of sarcasm in Dave's comment.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17694#Comment_17694

oh, I see. I have not had the chance to test it out yet so I was thinking there was a problem with its implementation. If that is not the case, then I see what he was saying now. Thanks.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17694#Comment_17694

I could be wrong Joe, but I detected a hint of sarcasm in Dave's comment.

kludge \ˈklüj\ or kluge \ˈklüj, US also & Brit esp ˈkləj; ˈklü-jē\ n
[origin unknown] 1962 : a system and esp. a computer system made up of poorly matched components
Merriam-Webster, I. (2003). Merriam-Webster's collegiate dictionary. (Eleventh ed.).

No sarcasm. It's poor design to implement a global Stop button when the real issue lies with specific section(s) that are not required to be generated (a choice available in v3)! Because it was thrown in people are now requesting a Resume feature!

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18118#Comment_18118

Let me add that I like the stop button...let's say you entered a wrong passage....STOP! I have to try again!

But also, when you are running a PG I'd like to see that the closed sections don't open automatically nor generate UNLESS they are opened....just like in V3.

Ian McAsey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18294#Comment_18294

Let me add that I like the stop button...let's say you entered a wrong passage....STOP! I have to try again!

But also, when you are running a PG I'd like to see that the closed sections don't open automatically nor generate UNLESS they are opened....just like in V3.

I like that option too. It gives control to the whole process . . . just like v3 but faster![;)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18294#Comment_18294

I would like to report that with the new .lbxlls files of the Lectionary Commentary are now listed as commentaries in Beta 6.

George Allakhverdyan

Let me add that I like the stop button...let's say you entered a wrong passage....STOP! I have to try again!

But also, when you are running a PG I'd like to see that the closed sections don't open automatically nor generate UNLESS they are opened....just like in V3.

You can stop a section from generating by closing it with that blue 'x' icon on the far right side of each section, or you can create a custom passage guide from the Guides drop down menu to exclude certain sections.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19337#Comment_19337

You can stop a section from generating by closing it with that blue 'x' icon on the far right side of each section, or you can create a custom passage guide from the Guides drop down menu to exclude certain sections.

George,

This request has come up fairly consistently across a large number of threads. People want to a return to the functionality of the passage guide in v3. Namely, we would like sections not to all run automatically unless that is how we last used the Passage Guide. Running up and down the list hitting the close button is a vastly more frustrating experience then having certain sections "remember" to stay closed.

Hitting the blue "x" icon does not STOP a section from generating. It deletes that section.

Custom Passage guides are good for frequently run tasks. But, the number of possible permutations for custom passage guides is enormous.

Please give us back v3's way of handling sections.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19368#Comment_19368

You can stop a section from generating by closing it with that blue 'x' icon on the far right side of each section, or you can create a custom passage guide from the Guides drop down menu to exclude certain sections.

George,

This request has come up fairly consistently across a large number of threads. People want to a return to the functionality of the passage guide in v3. Namely, we would like sections not to all run automatically unless that is how we last used the Passage Guide. Running up and down the list hitting the close button is a vastly more frustrating experience then having certain sections "remember" to stay closed.

Hitting the blue "x" icon does not STOP a section from generating. It deletes that section.

Custom Passage guides are good for frequently run tasks. But, the number of possible permutations for custom passage guides is enormous.

Please give us back v3's way of handling sections.

Agreed, L3 passage guide handled this much better... At first passage guide in L2/3 was more like L4 i.e. lack of control and off doing its own thing much to the aggrivation of the user... consistent user complaint about it on the newsgroups lead to the final form of passage guide that we have in L3. And now Logos wants to go backwards and and cause users another round of angst by ingnoring the lesson that we had thought they had learnt last time, but it seem that they have not. Custom guides are great but we should be able to control the default behavior of the passage guide when it opens from the Go box on home page...otherwise no one beyond the new user will ever use that box on the home page because the passage guide it outputs does not suite a lot of peoples needs. Please allow us to setup the default behavior of the passage guide in L3 as we could in L4 or choose an alternate custom guide as the default guide used when a passage guide is run.

For old times sake my newsgroup signature in those days was something to the effect of:

SAY YES TO IMPROVED NOTES

SAY NOT TO AUTOMATED REPORTS

I don't want to have to go there again....

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17580#Comment_17580

As a corollary The New Manners and Customs of the Bible is NOT a commentary, but that is its classification. It's sister Manners titles are all monographs.

New Manners and Customs of the Bible is classified as a commentary because its primary organization is around Bible verses - each section attempts to explain a single passage (usually one verse, sometimes more) of the Bible, so that is just the type of thing we want Passage Guide to be able to find. The other 'manners and customs' books are organized completely differently, so they are 'monographs'.

Vincent, I think we all want the same thing, for these resource to appear in the passage guide, but to re-iterate what Dave has already said they should appear under the correct classification. At the moment everything is just thrown under commentary section and it is a big hodge podge of resources. Commentaries proper should appear under a commentary section. Study Notes should appear under a study notes section, manners & customs type resource would probably best slot in here. Word studies resources should slot in under a separate section again which could then be included also in an exegecitcal guide if a user so desired.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19401#Comment_19401

The problem is that "Commentary" is a very broad category. Some would fit much better in other areas. For example, I would LOVE it if the Metzger Textual commentary came up in the aparatus section, even if it is more verbose than a normal aparatus.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19256#Comment_19256

I would like to report that with the new .lbxlls files of the Lectionary Commentary are now listed as commentaries in Beta 6.

Kenneth, did you get new files for these resources?

Mine are still recorded in the library as monographs. My files are from 2008.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19455#Comment_19455

I used the Libronix 3.0 update script on the Logos web page to update 3.0 right before I installed Beta 6. Then when Beta 6 installed, it moved them over to Logos 4. Libronix 3 says.2009-10-06T15:57:25Z, so they evidently came out fixed almost the same time as I posted about it.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19480#Comment_19480

I used the Libronix 3.0 update script on the Logos web page to update 3.0 right before I installed Beta 6. Then when Beta 6 installed, it moved them over to Logos 4. Libronix 3 says.2009-10-06T15:57:25Z, so they evidently came out fixed almost the same time as I posted about it.

Kenneth, I have run the update scripts and do not see any newer resources there.

Are these 2009 files in your Libronix 3 folder?

I'm a bit concerned because other files have not updated in v4, but because we have no list of all updated resources, I am unable to check which ones I am missing.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19605#Comment_19605

Yes, they are in my Libronix 3 folder. I used the standard resource upgrade - http://www.logos.com/media/update/ResourceAutoUpdate.lbxupd and it found it about a week ago to get it to Libronix 3 on a machine with only 3.0, and then ran it at the beginning of this week on the machine with both 3.0 and 4. They are also on the Libronix ftp site, ftp://ftp.logos.com/lbxbooks/ if interested. I have not seen any rhyme or reason for exactly when Logos 4 notices new files from the 3.0 directory (yes, we can now force a scan) but the Beta 6 upgrade did.

"They" say that starting with Beta 7, Logos 4 will update the old lbxlls files if needed so we shouldn't have to do it this way soon.