Personal books on mobile devices
It would be nice as a convenience to integrate personal books on mobile devices. This could be one of the right directions to satisfy your customers.
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Tes said:
It would be nice as a convenience to integrate personal books on mobile devices. This could be one of the right directions to satisfy your customers.
Please vote for this feature on the feedback forums:
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Paul Gibson said:
Please vote for this feature on the feedback forums:
I put a space behind your link to make it active = directly clickable in the forum software
Edit: Following this link I saw that this suggestion has slightly over 500 votes, by far the most voted-for suggestion for the mobile app. Maybe the new leadership at Logos will reconsider Bob's decision from years back. It would be a technical challenge to index those PBs on a central server, but maybe this has gotten better (or becomes possible through some kind of additional subscription. I can imagine people - and some have already posted about this times and again in the discussions about this missing feature - taking up a subscription just for the sake of using PBs on mobile)
Have joy in the Lord!
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Just about the only thing that could convince me to do a subscription to Logos is having PB access on mobile devices.
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I have voted. I am expecting Logos to vote!
Blessings in Christ.
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I voted.
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I think the closest we will ever come to personal books on mobile devices is with a Microsoft Surface Pro or similar device which can run the full Logos program. Hope I am wrong about that.
Of course, any personal book can be included on a mobile device in a document format outside the Logos program. But if Logos was going to make personal books available in the Logos mobile app, it would have happened long ago. There has certainly been enough requests for it over the years.
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Mike Childs said:
if Logos was going to make personal books available in the Logos mobile app, it would have happened long ago. There has certainly been enough requests for it over the years.
Logos needs to make money to stay afloat. How will L monetize personal books on mobile devices? Raise the prices of other stuff?
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I've been waiting for this feature for a long time. I can imagine that there are all sorts of challenges to make this happen.
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scooter said:
Logos needs to make money to stay afloat. How will L monetize personal books on mobile devices? Raise the prices of other stuff?
Maybe a subscription? I already have far more features than I can use. It's hard for me to imagine what features will be developed that will make me want to pay every month. This might be one of them.
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Mike Childs said:
I think the closest we will ever come to personal books on mobile devices is with a Microsoft Surface Pro or similar device which can run the full Logos program. Hope I am wrong about that.
That’s what I’ve resorted to doing as well, it gets the job done.
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Jon said:Mike Childs said:
I think the closest we will ever come to personal books on mobile devices is with a Microsoft Surface Pro or similar device which can run the full Logos program. Hope I am wrong about that.
That’s what I’ve resorted to doing as well, it gets the job done.
The thread is not about desktop,It is about mobile devices.
Blessings in Christ.
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Tes said:Jon said:Mike Childs said:
I think the closest we will ever come to personal books on mobile devices is with a Microsoft Surface Pro or similar device which can run the full Logos program. Hope I am wrong about that.
That’s what I’ve resorted to doing as well, it gets the job done.
The thread is not about desktop,It is about mobile devices.
Tes, Mike and Jon are giving a work around that works on mobile devices.
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MJ. Smith said:Tes said:Jon said:Mike Childs said:
I think the closest we will ever come to personal books on mobile devices is with a Microsoft Surface Pro or similar device which can run the full Logos program. Hope I am wrong about that.
That’s what I’ve resorted to doing as well, it gets the job done.
The thread is not about desktop,It is about mobile devices.
Tes, Mike and Jon are giving a work around that works on mobile devices.
But surface pro is like desktop which runs the Logos software . The issue her is for like IPad and so on.
Blessings in Christ.
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Add me to the camp that had pretty much given up on this long requested feature... My workaround is outside Logos - I use Calibre to convert my PBB document and just upload to my Play Books Library to read on my tablet or phone.
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Tes said:
It would be nice as a convenience to integrate personal books on mobile devices. This could be one of the right directions to satisfy your customers.
The lack of access to personal books on mobile devices is the #1 reason why I have not invested my time in creating personal books at this point.
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Tes said:
The thread is not about desktop,It is about mobile devices.
This request was made and denied over 8 years ago. What makes anyone think the programing, economic & legal situation has changed so that this dead horse keeps being beaten?
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126859/848584.aspx#848584
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David Thomas said:This request was made and denied over 8 years ago. What makes anyone think the programing, economic & legal situation has changed
Time really has gone by - and much has changed in the programming and technology field. Space to save information has become much faster (and cheaper), thus maybe making it possible to store large numbers of PBs in Logos' central index. Programming (maybe even with the help of KI) may be utilized to detect identical instances of PBs that were built from the same source. Internet bandwith got better, allowing transmittal of the related larger amount of information .The power and storage space of mobile devices has changed, so it might be an option now to have a local index on the mobile device (like we have on the desktop) instead of a central server. Or utilize some kind of logic to build information we are likely to look for next - offline and/or online - thus overcoming the technical difficulties Bob encountered back in the day.
The legal situation never was black and white and might have clarified a little over the years, and the advanced technology might give Logos a chance to detect and refuse blatant copyright violations, thus keeping them out of legal trouble. This never was the real issue (there's probably not much legal difference between uploaded PBs that sync to three desktop instances as opposed to syncing that same PB to one desktop, one mobile and a web app instance).
The economic situation definitely is undergoing a seismic shift with the move to "subscription first" and the rethinking of what and how people are paying for. The question can be openly discussed at the Bellingham HQ: What would it cost to build and maintain that, and how many users would need to pay an additional $X per month just for this feature? If the number of those willing to do so at a reasonable level of X (say $5) is high enough for Logos to make a profit, it makes sense. Of course this has vastly changed over the last eight years. Revamping the PB functionality will make it easier to spread into new language markets. A new PB compiler could also be build in a way to prevent building a PB that competes with existing Logos books, or even make it possible to "revoke" a PB license once the same book ships in the store, thus taking away Bob's fear of helping us compete with him.
Due to all of this, I think the time is good to reconsider. Will we get PBs on mobile now? I don't know. Maybe there still are obstacles that simply can't be overcome - maybe it takes another 8 or 18 or 28 years, or the question becomes moot someday (our current differentiation between desktop and mobile may be something no longer applicable in the future).
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
David Thomas said:
This request was made and denied over 8 years ago. What makes anyone think the programing, economic & legal situation has changed
Time really has gone by - and much has changed in the programming and technology field. Space to save information has become much faster (and cheaper), thus maybe making it possible to store large numbers of PBs in Logos' central index. Programming (maybe even with the help of KI) may be utilized to detect identical instances of PBs that were built from the same source. Internet bandwith got better, allowing transmittal of the related larger amount of information .The power and storage space of mobile devices has changed, so it might be an option now to have a local index on the mobile device (like we have on the desktop) instead of a central server. Or utilize some kind of logic to build information we are likely to look for next - offline and/or online - thus overcoming the technical difficulties Bob encountered back in the day.
The legal situation never was black and white and might have clarified a little over the years, and the advanced technology might give Logos a chance to detect and refuse blatant copyright violations, thus keeping them out of legal trouble. This never was the real issue (there's probably not much legal difference between uploaded PBs that sync to three desktop instances as opposed to syncing that same PB to one desktop, one mobile and a web app instance).
The economic situation definitely is undergoing a seismic shift with the move to "subscription first" and the rethinking of what and how people are paying for. The question can be openly discussed at the Bellingham HQ: What would it cost to build and maintain that, and how many users would need to pay an additional $X per month just for this feature? If the number of those willing to do so at a reasonable level of X (say $5) is high enough for Logos to make a profit, it makes sense. Of course this has vastly changed over the last eight years. Revamping the PB functionality will make it easier to spread into new language markets. A new PB compiler could also be build in a way to prevent building a PB that competes with existing Logos books, or even make it possible to "revoke" a PB license once the same book ships in the store, thus taking away Bob's fear of helping us compete with him.
Due to all of this, I think the time is good to reconsider. Will we get PBs on mobile now? I don't know. Maybe there still are obstacles that simply can't be overcome - maybe it takes another 8 or 18 or 28 years, or the question becomes moot someday (our current differentiation between desktop and mobile may be something no longer applicable in the future).
This post is a duplicate of the one posted 2 minutes prior on another thread. I have answered it there.
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NB.Mick said:
The legal situation never was black and white [...] This never was the real issue (there's probably not much legal difference between uploaded PBs that sync to three desktop instances as opposed to syncing that same PB to one desktop, one mobile and a web app instance).
Exactly, I don't understand why people keep bringing up legal issues a a reason for not having PBs on Mobile. The legal issues affecting PB syncing between desktops, which has been possible for many years, are the same as the one ones affecting syncing to mobile.
NB.Mick said:
[...] the advanced technology might give Logos a chance to detect and refuse blatant copyright violations, thus keeping them out of legal trouble. [...] A new PB compiler could also be build in a way to prevent building a PB that competes with existing Logos books, or even make it possible to "revoke" a PB license once the same book ships in the store, thus taking away Bob's fear of helping us compete with him.
I think trying to censor PBs would be a very bad move, not just because of those long forum threads with a lot of SHOUTING we would have to expect [8-)] The original plan, I guess, was to allow the sharing or even sale of PBs. In that case, they obviously would have had to implement a system to report/censor books violating copyright and/or Logos regulations.
To me it seems very clear that the decision to not continue the development of PBB is an economic one only. I can see why they made that decision, even though I personally would hope for a different decision.
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Bernhard said:
Exactly, I don't understand why people keep bringing up legal issues a a reason for not having PBs on Mobile. The legal issues affecting PB syncing between desktops, which has been possible for many years, are the same as the one ones affecting syncing to mobile.
I think it's merely inertia (and perhaps a bit of fear of backlash from passionate PB users) that kept them from removing the feature over concerns about the legal issues. And they sure weren't going to expand the feature to another platform under the circumstances. Not that that would have made the legal issues any worse, but when they were feeling conflicted about having created the feature in the first place, this does partially explain why they didn't want to devote any more resources to it.
Along with, as you mention, the economic reasons.
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Rosie Perera said:
I think it's merely inertia (and perhaps a bit of fear of backlash from passionate PB users) that kept them from removing the feature over concerns about the legal issues. And they sure weren't going to expand the feature to another platform under the circumstances. Not that that would have made the legal issues any worse, but when they were feeling conflicted about having created the feature in the first place, this does partially explain why they didn't want to devote any more resources to it.
Along with, as you mention, the economic reasons.
I totally agree with Rosie. I think that is exactly what has happened. It is why they have made the shared Personal Book site harder to find. Personal books will not be included at some point in the future. That is when I completely stop upgrading Logos.
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Rosie Perera said:
I think it's merely inertia (and perhaps a bit of fear of backlash from passionate PB users) that kept them from removing the feature over concerns about the legal issues.
I don't want Logos to be mired in legal problems over PBs. I do not want to have to pay the legal costs, wherein Logos can't afford legal fee, is no longer in business related to this, etc. I feel PBs endanger my investment in Logos.
I would like the ability to make any more PBs to be pulled.
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Mike Childs said:
I totally agree with Rosie. I think that is exactly what has happened. It is why they have made the shared Personal Book site harder to find. Personal books will not be included at some point in the future. That is when I completely stop upgrading Logos.
It would be a sad day to lose the function to make PBs. Sad indeed. I have books that I have purchased, torn apart and made into pdfs. I own the books and as long as I don't give the digital version to anyone, and use them only for me.... I see nothing wrong with that. I have made a couple of the pdfs into PBs.. which I (and me only) enjoy in Logos. I see nothing wrong with that either. They are mine, mine alone, and I don't share them and if I copy something from then I always use citation and give credit to where the copy came from.
Yep, I hope Logos will keep PB functionality.
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xnman said:
I have books that I have purchased, torn apart and made into pdfs. I own the books and as long as I don't give the digital version to anyone, and use them only for me.... I see nothing wrong with that. I have made a couple of the pdfs into PBs.. which I (and me only) enjoy in Logos. I see nothing wrong with that either. They are mine, mine alone, and I don't share them and if I copy something from then I always use citation and give credit to where the copy came from.
I picked up a book (almost at random) from my shelves and find...
'... No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means...'
I would need to avoid opening the book at this page to 'see nothing wrong' with making this book into a PB for my own use.
The main problem with PBs has been the non Christian behaviour of some users of Logos especially when it comes to copyright and 'harvesting to the edge of their fields'. I find it quite surprising that so many who don't believe in 'Divine Judgement' make use of Logos. ;-)
I don't actually have a 'dog in this fight' but I can see why Logos is hesitant at expanding the facility.
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