John 4 extra biblical parallels
How can I compare the extra biblical parallels to John 4? I own A Harmony of the Gospels (A.T. Robinson). I do not think the harmony will be the thing I need unless there is a harmony of extra biblical references for John's Gospel. There might be an index for extra biblical references. I know Text Comparison is not the thing I needed because it shows differences between the various English translations. I know there is an abundance of Samaritans being referenced in extra biblical literature. I know these cross references to the biblical literature. John 4:5: Genesis 23:19; Genesis 48:12; Joshua 14:13. John 4:18: 2 Kings 17:24.
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You should easily be able to find a 5 Gospel comparison. The one I use most is The Complete Gospel Parallels: Dewey, Arthur J., Miller, Robert J.: 9781598150353: Amazon.com: Books
For Nag Hammadi materials: Evans, Craig A., Robert L. Webb, and Richard A. Wiebe, eds. Nag Hammadi Texts and the Bible: A Synopsis and Index. Leiden; New York; Köln: E. J. Brill, 1993.is in Logos.
The indices of many of the pseudepigrapha, apocrypha, and parabiblical texts often show parallels.
In a Passage guide, the Ancient Literature subsections: for Dead Sea Scrolls, Judaica, Nag Hammadi, NT Apocrypha, OT Pseudepigrapha all have helpful materials.
In short, there is no one, covers everything resource but you can easily gather the information together ... perhaps a bit tedious but very informative.
Question: why are you studying John 4 rather than breaking it down into reasonable pericopes?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I put this on my wish list.
MJ. Smith said:For Nag Hammadi materials: Evans, Craig A., Robert L. Webb, and Richard A. Wiebe, eds. Nag Hammadi Texts and the Bible: A Synopsis and Index. Leiden; New York; Köln: E. J. Brill, 1993.is in Logos.
I own this one.
MJ. Smith said:Question: why are you studying John 4 rather than breaking it down into reasonable pericopes?
I am actually looking at one pericope. John 4:1-26. I want to study only direct dialogue Jesus had with a Samartian. And John 4:1-26 is the only one I found using Logos Bible Software. Am I incorrect with this thought? I asked Bard and it said John 4:1-26, Luke 9:51–56, and in the non canonical gospels. I am restricting my study to John's Gospel and letters.
I own these in print
Coogan, Michael D., ed. The New Oxford Annotated Apocrypha: New Revised Standard Version. 5th ed. New York: Oxford University Press, 2018.
Vermes, Geza. Penguin Classics Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English. 7 th ed. New York: Penguin, 2012.
I found this one online Charlesworth, James H., ed. The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha. 2 vols. New York: Doubleday, 1983, 1985 www.ccel.org/ccel/charles/otpseudepig
Question for you. Would you do a passage guide verse by verse to retain texts in Dead Sea Scrolls, Judaica, Nag Hammadi, NT Apocrypha, OT Pseudepigrapha?
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Christian Alexander said:
Question for you. Would you do a passage guide verse by verse to retain texts in Dead Sea Scrolls, Judaica, Nag Hammadi, NT Apocrypha, OT Pseudepigrapha?
I am allergic to chapters and verses for anything other than identifying the location of text. I would argue with myself whether 4:1-3 is a pericope in its own right, whether it is part of the preceding pericope or part of the following pericope. I would probably end up convincing myself to run a Passage Guide on 4:4-26 and another on 4:1-3
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I am allergic to chapters and verses for anything other than identifying the location of text
I agree with you. I remember from my first classes in Bible at undergrad, our professors told us to read the Bible as if there was no divisions, verses or chapters because that was the way it was in the days it was written I seem to remember the chapter divisions commonly used today were developed by a person named Langton. I think I remember that he was from Canterbury in the late 1100s. Correct me if I am wrong but there was no verses in the original texts of the Bible, either Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic?
MJ. Smith said:I would argue with myself whether 4:1-3 is a pericope in its own right, whether it is part of the preceding pericope or part of the following pericope. I would probably end up convincing myself to run a Passage Guide on 4:4-26 and another on 4:1-3
I was immersing myself in the text. I think at least I could tell a "seamed break" in the text from verses 3 to 4. It was like a pause in the augmentation of the text. Another question. How can I use Logos Bible Software to determine what versions of the Bible would have been used and accepted by the Samartians of this time, like the women at the well in John 4?
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Christian Alexander said:
versions of the Bible would have been used and accepted by the Samartians of this time, like the women at the well in John 4?
The Samaritan scripture is simply the Torah ... not the Masoretic edition but the Samaritan version. They know of the Book of Joshua but do not consider it canonical. To find this in Logos use the Canon Comparison tool. A screen shot of the Canon Comparison tool for pre-Christian canons (incomplete as the bottom is cut off).
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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A completely different direction is apparently possible with the Jesus well-quote, but from the Qumran Scrolls: (Charlesworth):
Haven't checked the scroll.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Thanks DMB. I think I found the scroll in Logos. How can I check to be sure? Have there been any books on the topic you cited above in the blog article?
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Not sure, other than a text match. Why Charlesworth left out the mss ID, who knows? I've never got excited about samaritans; more so the Samarians (eg ostraca).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I do not have the primary resource in question within Logos Bible Software.
DMB said:Why Charlesworth left out the mss ID, who knows?
I do not know either. This is a good question. Is Charlesworth the only game in town to find the manuscript?
DMB said:I've never got excited about samaritans; more so the Samarians (eg ostraca).
Is this not the same people?
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Regarding the scroll fragment, I haven't looked. The whole subject of the two mountains is its own topic! Which apparently, Jesus pairs to Zion ... which he then dumps in favor of Mt of Olives as the apocalyptic end-point.
Regarding Samarians, I was illustrating not to confuse the Omri empire (centered in Samaria the city), with the later foil for post-exile returnee leaders (Samaritans). Your Samaria Ostraca is the former.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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