a question from an Accordance User
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DAL said:
Welcome to the family! You’re thread has racked up 14 pages already and it’s a fun thread too
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DAL
Funny how constructive engagement fosters conversation! [;)]
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Joseph Sollenberger said:
Thank you Rick and Mark for the Double and Triple click information. I have just changed them to match my muscle memory.
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I agree completely, and speaking of which, I have been watching "new to Logos" type videos, and I have two questions so far. [:)]Mark Allison said:Joseph Sollenberger said:Thank you Rick and Mark for the Double and Triple click information. I have just changed them to match my muscle memory.
1) The presenter opened her library and I noticed that some of the resources have circles, and some don't. What do these mean?
2) She was going over the Factbook, and it started sounding like Accordance Research. However, the more she spoke, it seems different. It appears that Accordance Research is finding EVERYTHING you have about your word, while the Logos Factbook is finding sections FROM ALL you have, but not everything from everywhere. Thus, while both programs pull from all you have, the Accordance Research is more in depth. Is this correct?
p.s. - I just noticed how fuzzy that pic is, I guess since it is from the webinar? Anyway, sorry for the quality.
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Here's another cool tip. If you click on the "Visual Filters" button for a fairly complex resource like BDAG, select "Reformat—>Outline Formatting" and it will indent everything in a very easy-to-read way.
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Kristin said:
2) She was going over the Factbook, and it started sounding like Accordance Research. However, the more she spoke, it seems different. It appears that Accordance Research is finding EVERYTHING you have about your word, while the Logos Factbook is finding sections FROM ALL you have, but not everything from everywhere. Thus, while both programs pull from all you have, the Accordance Research is more in depth. Is this correct?
Factbook in Logos is not the same as Accordance Research. For the equivalent, go to Search. You can search under Books in Greek, Hebrew, English, etc. This will search just your library. Search under All if you want to search every title Logos offers. You can create Resource Collections to search just particular subsets of books, similar to Accordance Groups.
By the way, I'm not certain what the circles are in your image. My library doesn't have that. Someone will know. Perhaps those are books that have not been downloaded.
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Kristin said:
2) She was going over the Factbook, and it started sounding like Accordance Research. However, the more she spoke, it seems different. It appears that Accordance Research is finding EVERYTHING you have about your word, while the Logos Factbook is finding sections FROM ALL you have, but not everything from everywhere. Thus, while both programs pull from all you have, the Accordance Research is more in depth. Is this correct?
Yes, that's correct. But Factbook isn't really the equivalent of Research. Factbook is intended to give you information, like an overview of whatever you looked up. If you want exhaustive searching, use the Search tool instead. And Collections are the equivalent of My Groups. Use them to make your searches better.
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Mark Allison said:
Here's another cool tip. If you click on the "Visual Filters" button for a fairly complex resource like BDAG, select "Reformat—>Outline Formatting" and it will indent everything in a very easy-to-read way.
Mark, that's very helpful. Incorporating this into my workflow.
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Kristin, the little circles in the library tile view relate to the percentage of the book read. The stars allow you to rank that book for later sorting by your own ranking.
--Solly
Joseph F. Sollenberger, Jr.
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Joseph Sollenberger said:
the little circles in the library tile view relate to the percentage of the book read.
Look at that. Even I learn things here! I alway keep my library in Details view, which is why I didn't see the circles; but if I switch to Tile view, they do show up.
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Joseph Sollenberger said:
Kristin, the little circles in the library tile view relate to the percentage of the book read. The stars allow you to rank that book for later sorting by your own ranking.
Thank you. [:)]
Rick Mansfield said:Factbook in Logos is not the same as Accordance Research. For the equivalent, go to Search. You can search under Books in Greek, Hebrew, English, etc.
Hi Rick, Thanks for explaining. So far, to say it is complicated is an understatement. Ever since Mark wrote above about organizing BDAG, I have spent all this time trying to hack into BDAG and HALOT. At first neither were even showing in my library. Then after I followed Mark's screenshot and actually spelled it out, THEN it recognized both. So super strange.
1. The Bible also doesn't have verse numbers. I know this is a simple button, but I can't find how to turn them on.
2. Logos cross-highlights the ESV and NIV, but Logos doesn't cross highlight Greek and Hebrew like Accordance does. Is that correct?
I remember someone said Logos had a sharp learning curve, and they weren't joking. It isn't even intuitive how to delete a parallel. (I have since figured that out).Mark Allison said:That's made Logos feel more comfortable to me. I also had the Double-Click Action set to "Search" which was really annoying. Setting it to "Select word" made a big difference. Interface feels more familiar now :-)
I second that. [:)] Thank you, Rick.
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Look at my Visual Filter settings below and also make sure the texts are using the same letter Link Set.
Joseph F. Sollenberger, Jr.
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Kristin said:
1. The Bible also doesn't have verse numbers. I know this is a simple button, but I can't find how to turn them on.
2. Logos cross-highlights the ESV and NIV, but Logos doesn't cross highlight Greek and Hebrew like Accordance does. Is that correct?
I remember someone said Logos had a sharp learning curve, and they weren't joking. It isn't even intuitive how to delete a parallel. (I have since figured that out).Adding to Joseph:
- Cross highlighting (Corresponding Selection) requires the book be tagged with lemmas, etc. The less used hebrew books, as example, only offer Corresponding Words (highlight in same book). Examples not supported: Quinta, Samaritan, etc
- The ability to format lexicons is a $-feature. And only specific lexicons. More recent lexicons generally don't have the feature.
- In Visual Filters (Bible-related), the 1-Line per verse often turns off non-verse text (Bible-specific). So, if you're missing intro material (blank page), check that setting.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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here is the training video for the visual filters.
Logos 10 Advanced Bible Study Series – Logos Help Center
then go to video number 8
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Kristin said:
2. Logos cross-highlights the ESV and NIV, but Logos doesn't cross highlight Greek and Hebrew like Accordance does. Is that correct?
Here it's cross-highlighting (after word-selection) for NIV11, BHS, NRSVue, and LXX.
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Joseph Sollenberger said:
Look at my Visual Filter settings below and also make sure the texts are using the same letter Link Set.
Thank you, Joseph, your screenshot was helpful and fixed it. [:)]
DMB said:- Cross highlighting (Corresponding Selection) requires the book be tagged with lemmas, etc. The less used hebrew books, as example, only offer Corresponding Words (highlight in same book). Examples not supported: Quinta, Samaritan, etc
Hi DMB, I think I have what Jonathan has, so I am still not sure what is going on. I will attach a screenshot.
DMB said:- The ability to format lexicons is a $-feature. And only specific lexicons. More recent lexicons generally don't have the feature.
- In Visual Filters (Bible-related), the 1-Line per verse often turns off non-verse text (Bible-specific). So, if you're missing intro material (blank page), check that setting.
Thank you for clarifying this.
Bobby Terhune said:here is the training video for the visual filters.
Logos 10 Advanced Bible Study Series – Logos Help Center
then go to video number 8
Thank you, Bobby. [:)]
Hi Jonathan, as I briefly mentioned above to DMB, I am not sure why mine is different from yours. Thank you for the screenshot, and here is mine where it is not working like yours.Jonathan Huber said:Here it's cross-highlighting (after word-selection) for NIV11, BHS, NRSVue, and LXX.
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Whatever else you have checked in "Corresponding words," make sure you also have "Same word" checked.Kristin said:Hi Jonathan, as I briefly mentioned above to DMB, I am not sure why mine is different from yours. Thank you for the screenshot, and here is mine where it is not working like yours.
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Mark Allison said:
Whatever else you have checked in "Corresponding words," make sure you also have "Same word" checked.
Hi Mark,
That fixed it. [:)] Thank you for the screenshot.
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Excellent! Thank you to all for your suggestions. When first opening Logos, I thought how wonderful it would be if someone could make a webinar about "you know those things you do all the time in Accordance? here's how to do them here." This thread has kinda become that.
But hands-down my favorite part of Logos so far is that factbook/search works on mobile. The ability to work with my whole library on the go with my iPad is HUGE for me. Really liking that.
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Jonathan Huber said:
But hands-down my favorite part of Logos so far is that factbook/search works on mobile. The ability to work with my whole library on the go with my iPad is HUGE for me. Really liking that.
Agreed. I love Logos' dedication to mobile and the web. They're constantly being updated and are miles head of the competition.
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Mark Allison said:
I love Logos' dedication to mobile and the web. They're constantly being updated and are miles head of the competition.
I don't really have a need for web or mobile, but I agree. My impression is that Logos is miles ahead in web (enough that I feel like Accordance is wasting energy which should be instead devoted to fixing corruption issues), but at the same time, Accordance is miles ahead in making original language research easy. Also, Logos really has nothing like the txt User Bible which I use literally every day. I thus don't even really feel like the two are direct competitors, as they both excel at different aspects.
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Jonathan Huber said:
When first opening Logos, I thought how wonderful it would be if someone could make a webinar about "you know those things you do all the time in Accordance? here's how to do them here." This thread has kinda become that.
I am glad to hear that! [Y] That is of course how I feel too, btw. [:)]
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Kristin said:
Logos really has nothing like the txt User Bible which I use literally every day
Agreed. This is an area where Accordance is WAY ahead, and it probably speaks to the origins of both companies. Historically, Logos targeted the pastoral market, and Accordance targeted the academic market. During the past decade, both companies have started to meet somewhere in the middle. But "User Tools/Bibles" (pardon my Accordance lingo) is an area that Logos should (imho) invest some time developing, especially if they want to be more attractive to Accordance users currently on the fence.
It would probably make a great Logos subscription feature [;)]0 -
Mark Allison said:
ut "User Tools/Bibles" (pardon my Accordance lingo) is an area that Logos should (imho) invest some time developing, especially if they want to be more attractive to Accordance users currently on the fence.
I agree 100%. It is so simple, I truly don't understand why they ONLY offer this convoluted html formatted thing in a docx format for a Mac user. [*-)]
Mark Allison said:It would probably make a great Logos subscription feature
Nooooooooo! Subscriptions are sneaky little monsters [6]. Also, being 100% serious, if they are going to use it to attract Accordance users, they can't realistically say you need to pay a subscription to import a txt document. Especially when you don't need to do that type of nonsense with Accordance. To be honest, the threat of going subscription based provoked me to take the plunge and get Logos 10, simply so I can avoid subscriptions.
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Kristin said:
Especially when you don't need to do that type of nonsense with Accordance.
Don't forget the partnership between SIL and Logos ... Logos would assume a personal translation would be done in the SIL environment (Software Products - SIL Language Technology).
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kristin said:
the threat of going subscription based provoked me to take the plunge and get Logos 10, simply so I can avoid subscriptions.
This is a perfectly understandable decision. I only offer one word of counsel: At some point in the future, yet to be determined, the subscription discount for logos 10 owners will likely go away. I would advise you to give it a serious try (at least the 30-day trial) before that happens. Otherwise, it will cost you a whole lot more to jump onboard if you ever feel compelled to subscribe in the future.
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MJ. Smith said:
Don't forget the partnership between SIL and Logos ...
Hi MJ. Smith,
To be honest, I'm really not that familiar with Logos, and have only used it for the first time after downloading the free version a few weeks ago. So I was not aware of that connection, or any partnerships for that matter. Thank you for the link and I will check it out. [:)]
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MJ. Smith said:
Don't forget the partnership between SIL and Logos ... Logos would assume a personal translation would be done in the SIL environment
Last time I checked (and it's been a LONG time) most of the SIL tools were Windows only.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
At some point in the future, yet to be determined, the subscription discount for logos 10 owners will likely go away. I would advise you to give it a serious try (at least the 30-day trial) before that happens.
Hi Aaron,
Thank you for the advice. To be honest, I probably won't, as I have an evasion toward subscriptions, bible or otherwise. I genuinely appreciate hearing what you wrote though, so thank you.
Mark Allison said:Last time I checked (and it's been a LONG time) most of the SIL tools were Windows only.
That would be important.
I am not familiar with SIL at all, and when I hear it, I hear SBL. [:)] While I am still not sure what SIL is (even after going to the website), it sounds like something other than the plain txt file I am using with TextEdit, which I need to continue to use. I might be wrong though about what SIL is.0 -
Mark Allison said:
Last time I checked (and it's been a LONG time) most of the SIL tools were Windows only.
That is likely true but SIL is still an element in decreasing the pressure on Logos to provide translator tools. If they are needed, request them on Roadmap | Logos
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Mark Allison said:
But "User Tools/Bibles" (pardon my Accordance lingo) is an area that Logos should (imho) invest some time developing, especially if they want to be more attractive to Accordance users currently on the fence.
Agree 1000%. Is that possible?
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