a question from an Accordance User

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  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    That is a Bible tab within a Search tab/panel. The ability to change the format is just below the book title in the results passages-aligned-grid-analysis-fuzzy and at the far right add version.

    I'm sorry, but I can't find anything about changing formats, regardless of the tab I am in. Is someone able to provide a screenshot?

  • Jonathan Huber
    Jonathan Huber Member Posts: 152 ✭✭

    I'm not sure I see the problem, actually. If I run a search in a search tab, the results are still there if i click on a different tab (eg a text tab, passage guide, etc) and then back. If I click on the sub-tabs within the search, eg all vs bible vs morph vs docs, then yes the search clears but that makes sense since you just told it you want to run a different kind of search. Am I missing something?

  • Jonathan Huber
    Jonathan Huber Member Posts: 152 ✭✭

    Kristin said:

    I'm sorry, but I can't find anything about changing formats, regardless of the tab I am in. Is someone able to provide a screenshot?

    Run your search. Then 1) hit the 3 dots thing and 2) save as passage list (see first ss), then 3) change format of passage list (see second ss.)

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    Run your search. Then 1) hit the 3 dots thing and 2) save as passage list (see first ss), then 3) change format of passage list (see second ss

    Thank you very much, Jonathan! [:)] Your screenshots were helpful and I finally found it. 

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,887

    It's like a Bible software family reunion! ❤️

    Indeed!

    I don't want to wax on about 'the old days', because we need to look forward. However, it is fun to see energy again... both for Logos and for Accordance. This is something that has been missing for a long time.

  • Paulo Andre Viana Fidalgo
    Paulo Andre Viana Fidalgo Member Posts: 5 ✭✭

    Friends, sorry if I'm in the wrong forum. If possible, I'd like to print out an entire notebook. I only found the option to print note by note. If there is no option to print the entire notebook, how can I indicate this as a development enhancement request?


  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,149

    Friends, sorry if I'm in the wrong forum.

    You needed to start a new thread for your query, rather than disrupt a thread on a different matter.

    If possible, I'd like to print out an entire notebook. I only found the option to print note by note. If there is no option to print the entire notebook, how can I indicate this as a development enhancement request?

    Make a request at Faithlife Feedback - Desktop

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,887

    Run your search. Then 1) hit the 3 dots thing and 2) save as passage list (see first ss), then 3) change format of passage list (see second ss.)

    One of the challenges of Logos is that they endeavour to keep the UI simple. Yet there is a lot buried in context pop up menus and UI features like 'three dots', etc.

    I think the new Dynamic Resource Toolbar in beta - is an attempt to start to address some of this. I am hopeful in Logos 11 we will see other parts of the UI evolve similarly.

    Until then, it is down to watching videos and asking questions. Perhaps this will always be the case.  You need to decide which tools in this Swiss Army knife you are going to use the most and then focus on mastering them. 

    So in my case, tools for exegetical and language studies are where I focus a lot of my exploration.  Tools like the Counselling Guide and Sermon Editor, I never open. This is ok. I have a Swiss Army knife that I have a few tools I never open, but it is nice to know they are there if I need them. 

  • Jonathan Huber
    Jonathan Huber Member Posts: 152 ✭✭

    Run your search. Then 1) hit the 3 dots thing and 2) save as passage list (see first ss), then 3) change format of passage list (see second ss.)

    One of the challenges of Logos is that they endeavour to keep the UI simple. Yet there is a lot buried in context pop up menus and UI features like 'three dots', etc.

    I think the new Dynamic Resource Toolbar in beta - is an attempt to start to address some of this. I am hopeful in Logos 11 we will see other parts of the UI evolve similarly.

    Until then, it is down to watching videos and asking questions. Perhaps this will always be the case.  You need to decide which tools in this Swiss Army knife you are going to use the most and then focus on mastering them. 

    So in my case, tools for exegetical and language studies are where I focus a lot of my exploration.  Tools like the Counselling Guide and Sermon Editor, I never open. This is ok. I have a Swiss Army knife that I have a few tools I never open, but it is nice to know they are there if I need them. 

    All powerful software faces the challenge of presenting a good UI. That’s to be expected. Some of us just haven’t learned the Logos UI yet. :)

  • Mark Allison
    Mark Allison Member Posts: 768 ✭✭✭

    I'm finally starting to enjoy using Logos. Up till now, it's been more of a frustration than a joy as I learn how to use it. At this point though, I feel comfortable using Logos with most of my normal workflows.

    I was diving into Proverbs during my daily devotional time (using a Logos reading plan), and without thinking about it I was able to check out Hebrew words in BDB (I don't have HALOT yet), use the Factbook to take a deep dive into "Abaddon," and add notes at points of interest.  I never accidentally brought up a Search tab, or had to switch to Accordance to do something I couldn't figure out in Logos. 

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,887

    The struggle is real!

    I think the challenge is, you have to know your resources and the software well enough to create your own workflows.  You are a legend in the Bible Software community, so the resources and workflow part will be easy.  The challenge will be leveraging this software and figuring out how Logos' philosophy is different.  It would be good over time for you to post your own observations of what you learned the hard way and what came easy.

    Logos Bible Software is a bit like using Obsidian or LogSeq for personal knowledge management.  The power is in blank canvass and multiple configurable tools. This is its greatest nemesis as well.  You really have to spend a fair bit of time on a regular basis revisiting how you want to study and research, then adjust your workflows to the strengths of the platofrm to make it happen.  Exciting to roam and create, but frustrating all at the same time!

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,114

    Kristin said:

    That is not the case for me. On my end, if I do a search, I get my results. Then if I leave the tab and come back, that window of tips shows up and that is all I see. I have to press enter AGAIN for it to run the search AGAIN just to get rid of that box. 

    These (in red) are not "search tabs". They let you specify the "kind" of search that is running within the current tab. If you change the kind, it clears the search results and you have to start over (which would, understandably, be frustrating).

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    These (in red) are what Logos calls Search tabs. Open as many of these as you want (or that your computer/monitor can show comfortably). Switching between these tabs won't clear your previous Search results. To open a new one, click the "Search" icon on the main Logos toolbar, or right-click a "Search" tab title and click "Duplicate", or press Cmd+Shift+N when you're in an existing Search tab.

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  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    These (in red) are not "search tabs". They let you specify the "kind" of search that is running within the current tab. If you change the kind, it clears the search results and you have to start over (which would, understandably, be frustrating).

    Hi Bradley,

    Wow, thank you so much!! [:)] Your two screenshots are extremely helpful and they help the whole layout finally make an ounce of sense. Thank you!

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    I'm finally starting to enjoy using Logos. Up till now, it's been more of a frustration than a joy as I learn how to use it. At this point though, I feel comfortable using Logos with most of my normal workflows.

    Hi Mark,

    That is great to hear. [:)] For me I am still at the "it's been more of a frustration" phase. Some days I feel like maybe I could get used to it, and then some days I feel like there is no scenario where I could routinely use it. This has previously primarily been from the total lack of a plain txt "User Bible." I can see the function of a Personal Bible, but it isn't usable for a User Bible replacement.

    However, I think I might have found a more serious issue of the inability to re-name tabs. Right now these tabs I have open are just from failed attempts of learning the program. However, as you know, this is a very common Accordance layout for me, and the only way I can have 50 tabs open in Accordance is because they are all named by me.

    With that as a preface, given that you are finding Logos to be working for you, how do you handle the tabs? Or do you feel like it only works for devotional / pastoral needs and is not a realistic program for academics?

     

  • Mark Allison
    Mark Allison Member Posts: 768 ✭✭✭

    Kristin said:

    With that as a preface, given that you are finding Logos to be working for you, how do you handle the tabs? Or do you feel like it only works for devotional / pastoral needs and is not a realistic program for academics?

    The inability to rename tabs is a big issue. I'm hoping Logos will recognize that it's something Accordance users desperately need. I've mentioned it here:

    https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224298.aspx

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,887

    Kristin said:

    With that as a preface, given that you are finding Logos to be working for you, how do you handle the tabs? Or do you feel like it only works for devotional / pastoral needs and is not a realistic program for academics?

    I commented on another thread... it is a small thing, but it tab management on Logos is not as efficient as it could be. Renaming tabs would be very useful.  At least on MacOS, standard operating system conventions are not followed as well.

    I believe even with this, you can adapt and I have, but it is an unnecessary piece of friction.

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    I commented on another thread... it is a small thing, but it tab management on Logos is not as efficient as it could be. Renaming tabs would be very useful. 

    For me the lack of re-naming tabs is a serious enough issue that it prevents serious work. 

    At least on MacOS, standard operating system conventions are not followed as well.

    Ya, basic functions are missing, like "right click." If I right click it wants me to "Send to Proclaim" ??? There isn't even an explanation of what this is. Maybe it is common for pastors, but I'm an academic and I just wanted to right click to copy my word.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,248

    Kristin said:

    Ya, basic functions are missing, like "right click." If I right click it wants me to "Send to Proclaim" ???

    Right-click functionality in a Bible (and other books) provides really powerful features - so please post a screenshot where you are just seeing the Send to Proclaim option (it is an option in some cases but there should be a lot more available as well)

    Kristin said:

    There isn't even an explanation of what this is.

    Proclaim is presentation software provided by Faithlife to be used in projecting songs, videos, Bible verses, other content in church services and elsewhere.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭

    Kristin said:

    For me the lack of re-naming tabs is a serious enough issue that it prevents serious work. .

    You could suggest in Logos' Feedbear. But chances are excellent, it'd be a subscription feature (which you don't like).

    The usual lots-of-tabs management strategies:

    - To the right of a search argument, is a heart, which opens renameable favorites. They can also be placed in namable folders and sub-folders.

    - Frequent repeatable actions can be assigned to 10 hotkeys (in the same panel as favorites)

    - Layouts are a final desperation move. I keep my favorite searches in separate in-sequence tabs in my layout. Then, I keep an extra default search tab (setting: 'Send Searches Here')

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Mark Allison
    Mark Allison Member Posts: 768 ✭✭✭

    If you're a Mac user, you can modify any of the shortcuts that appear in the Logos menubar (there aren't many). I've modified the shortcuts so that cmd-F brings up Factbook and cmd-S brings up search. 

    Go to your System Preferences and select "Keyboard". In the Keyboard menu select "App Shortcuts"

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,949

    DMB said:

    But chances are excellent, it'd be a subscription feature (which you don't like).

    Come on, without knowing the actual code, do you really have the information necessary to make this statement? My suspicion, and it is only that, is that it would add cost to make it a subscription feature ... cost that there is absolutely no incentive to incur. I need your cynicism supporting me on the "don't use what you don't understand" Logos-flavored grammatical coding threads.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    Right-click functionality in a Bible (and other books) provides really powerful features - so please post a screenshot where you are just seeing the Send to Proclaim option (it is an option in some cases but there should be a lot more available as well)

    Hi Graham,

    I tried responding to this but the post button did nothing. So I decided to try again, and I hope this isn't posted twice.

    Anyway, here is a screenshot of right clicking. Thank you for clarifying Proclaim. :)

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    Go to your System Preferences and select "Keyboard". In the Keyboard menu select "App Shortcuts"

    Hi Mark,

    My system settings look nothing like that, and I can't find an App Shortcut under Keyboard. I wonder if this was something changed with the latest OS? I'm still on Ventura.

  • Mark Allison
    Mark Allison Member Posts: 768 ✭✭✭

    Kristin said:

    My system settings look nothing like that, and I can't find an App Shortcut under Keyboard. I wonder if this was something changed with the latest OS? I'm still on Ventura.

    This has been a feature of the MacOS for at least 10 years. Want to send me a screenshot of your Mac System Settings? (You can also try searching for "Keyboard" in your system settings). 

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    DMB said:

    To the right of a search argument, is a heart, which opens renameable favorites.

    HI MDB,

    Thanks for letting me know. I don't see a heart, but a star... but it sort of seems the same leading to favorites. The fundamental issue though, is that they aren't favorites, but tabs I am working on which change frequently. In Accordance, for example, it is very rare for me to save a workspace. I appreciate hearing that favorites can be renamed though. That is good to know.

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    This has been a feature of the MacOS for at least 10 years.

    Oh. [:$]

    Want to send me a screenshot of your Mac System Settings? (You can also try searching for "Keyboard" in your system settings

    Ok, thanks. I will send you an email in a few minutes.

  • Jonathan Huber
    Jonathan Huber Member Posts: 152 ✭✭

    BTW - the Galaxie journal update dropped yesterday. Time to tag and rate!

    What's the best way to get the journals? I see that Galaxie is available as a subscription, which might actually be cheaper than buying the whole thing (accounting for having to purchase new volumes periodically.) Any recommendations on that?

  • Jonathan Huber
    Jonathan Huber Member Posts: 152 ✭✭

    Kristin said:

    I'm an academic and I just wanted to right click to copy my word.

    I'm a bit confused... Copy is an option in your screenshot. Is it not working? Alternatively, you might not even need the menu; just select the text and hit Cmd+C like you would in any other program. 

  • Jonathan Huber
    Jonathan Huber Member Posts: 152 ✭✭

    I'm finally starting to enjoy using Logos. Up till now, it's been more of a frustration than a joy as I learn how to use it. At this point though, I feel comfortable using Logos with most of my normal workflows.

    I was diving into Proverbs during my daily devotional time (using a Logos reading plan), and without thinking about it I was able to check out Hebrew words in BDB (I don't have HALOT yet), use the Factbook to take a deep dive into "Abaddon," and add notes at points of interest.  I never accidentally brought up a Search tab, or had to switch to Accordance to do something I couldn't figure out in Logos. 

    Lovely! I'm starting to get there too. Most of my daily use currently could be done in either program, but I'm REALLY liking the tagging that enables Factbook and different kinds of searches (eg speaker:Paul). That's not possible elsewhere.  

  • Mark Allison
    Mark Allison Member Posts: 768 ✭✭✭

    I'm REALLY liking the tagging that enables Factbook and different kinds of searches (eg speaker:Paul). That's not possible elsewhere.  

    [Y]

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,887

    What's the best way to get the journals? I see that Galaxie is available as a subscription

    You can buy Galaxie.  I just did. The update that dropped this week covered volumes 1 - 26.

    Logos has its own offering too and there is a bit of overlap, but it is a huge expansion over Galaxie and something I am certain you will not see come to Accordance any time soon.  The collections that Logos offers occasionally go on sale.

    The update on the master collection is about to drop and it will cost me $63 with dynamic pricing because I have kept it up to date for some time now.

    I am a bit of a journal junkie, so over the years I have bought and kept up to date pretty much everything they have. It is invaluable for research!

  • Mark Allison
    Mark Allison Member Posts: 768 ✭✭✭

    I am a bit of a journal junkie, so over the years I have bought and kept up to date pretty much everything they have. It is invaluable for research!

    Journals are amazing. The only way you could come close to accessing this sort of scholarly information is having access to a world-class seminary library. And even then, tracing the thread of a conversation is tedious in print (at best). But with these journals available in software with its complex search capabilities, you have what 2,000 years of theologians could only have dreamed of. 

    And you can fit it in your pocket!!
  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,887

    I know right. What I can't get over is that I have such a breadth of resources with me wherever I am in the world. I still can't get over that... 

    The thing I like about journals is if we can get reasonably up to date issues, they give us an insight on things we will see over time in commentaries. Plus, an article is so much easier to read (and with AI triage a quick summary) as opposed to a monograph.

    I would like to see more monographs brought to the platform... but that would just be more temptation.

    LOL

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,248

    Hi Kristin 

    Kristin said:

    I tried responding to this but the post button did nothing. So I decided to try again, and I hope this isn't posted twice.

    Thanks - I understand what you are seeing now.

    If instead of right-clicking the result in the search window try clicking it which will open the associated Bible to that place with the search result highlighted. Then right-click that to get the context menu.

    Here you can choose from a range of tagged objects on the left - I have selected lemma - that will present you with a range of functions on the right

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    If instead of right-clicking the result in the search window try clicking it which will open the associated Bible to that place with the search result highlighted. Then right-click that to get the context menu.

    Hi Graham,

    I just tried that, and it doesn't seem to work. If I double click on a word it does nothing. If I triple click on a word it just selects the whole verse, but doesn't let me do anything with it.

    I went to my settings but it seems to be set correctly, I think. I can provide a screenshot.

    Also, on another note, I can provide an example of what I had meant about Logos deleting my work. Attached is a screenshot read from left to right. I start on the Bible tab, and my search is obviously already run. I then click on Book, and I get that pop up. However, I then click back to Bible, and instead of it going back to my work, I need to start over and re-run the search. Does this behavior make sense? Is there a way for it to stop deleting my work simply by moving to a different spot? All three pictures are on the same search tab.



  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member, MVP Posts: 1,610

    Kristin said:

    Is there a way for it to stop deleting my work simply by moving to a different spot?

    I think for the time being you may have to open up a different tab to save the work being done in the other. I agree that it would be preferable if Logos were capable of remembering the search being done in Bible when one switches for example to Books for as long as the tab is open. This issue might best be reported in a new thread. The behavior appears to be the same in the web app as well.

  • Jonathan Huber
    Jonathan Huber Member Posts: 152 ✭✭

    Kristin said:

    Attached is a screenshot read from left to right. I start on the Bible tab, and my search is obviously already run. I then click on Book, and I get that pop up. However, I then click back to Bible, and instead of it going back to my work, I need to start over and re-run the search. Does this behavior make sense?

    To be honest, this behavior makes sense to me. When you click on Books in your second screenshot, you are telling that search tab that you want to change the terms of the search, so why would you want to keep the old returns? If you do want to keep the old returns, then open up a new search tab (right click on the tab -> duplicate. that will retain the search terms). And when you click back to Bible, your search terms are still there, so you can just hit enter and run it again to get back to where you were. Doesn't that solve the problem? It doesn't take long. What am I missing?

  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member, MVP Posts: 1,610

    It doesn't take long. What am I missing?

    I agree, and don't think it's a big deal. I hadn't identified it as a problem before Kristin's post. I just think there indeed may be instances where I would like to run the same search for instance in Bible and books, and I would prefer to not have to start over my search each time if I am comparing results. However, this problem could be easily solved by running the same search in two different tabs.

  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member, MVP Posts: 1,610

    Kristin said:

    I just tried that, and it doesn't seem to work. If I double click on a word it does nothing. If I triple click on a word it just selects the whole verse, but doesn't let me do anything with it.

    It is true that the search tool doesn't offer much functionality beyond searching. Right clicking does plenty, however, when you are in a book or a Bible.

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    To be honest, this behavior makes sense to me. When you click on Books in your second screenshot, you are telling that search tab that you want to change the terms of the search, so why would you want to keep the old returns?

    Hi Jonathan,

    There are really a few reasons why. First and most importantly, when I am doing intense research I often need to flip between different books or whatever, and the idea that if I move from that word to something else, and I can't go back to what I was working on makes research close to impossible. (For reference, I normally have "recycle" turned off in Accordance). So this is sort of more confirmation that it is not set up for academic work.

    Second, I just want the program to make any sense at all. Earlier Bradley had clarified the how "Bible" and "Books" are all under the SAME search, yet if flipping between Bible and Books erases my search, obviously it is not part of the same search. Here is his comment:

    https://community.logos.com/forums/p/223994/1307577.aspx#1307577

    If you do want to keep the old returns, then open up a new search tab (right click on the tab -> duplicate. that will retain the search terms).... Doesn't that solve the problem? It doesn't take long. What am I missing?

    I think the issue is that that might work ok for a devotional, or even sermon prep (no offense to anyone), but it is just not sufficient for hardcore original language work. It is as if the "recycle" function is just permanently on, and that's not realistic.

    I think for the time being you may have to open up a different tab to save the work being done in the other. I agree that it would be preferable if Logos were capable of remembering the search being done in Bible when one switches for example to Books for as long as the tab is open.

    Hi Aaron,

    Thank you for clarifying. As I mentioned to Jonathan above, Bradley had said those were all sections of the same search, but apparently if I want the same search, I need to open a new tab and NEVER move it from Bible to Book or Factbook or whatever, and if I want that, I need to duplicate the tab. This is just not practical for any serious language research. I appreciate the clarification though.

  • Jonathan Huber
    Jonathan Huber Member Posts: 152 ✭✭

    Kristin said:

    This is just not practical for any serious language research.

    This is a rather strong statement, and tbh I don't really agree with it. Maybe you personally would prefer it to work differently, but that's not the same thing. 

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    This is a rather strong statement

    Hi Jonathan,

    Ya, I meant it as such.

    Maybe you personally would prefer it to work differently, but that's not the same thing

    Hopefully Mark Allison can offer his thoughts, as I know he has mentioned before that it doesn't seem to be set up for intense language work. I would really like it to work, as it would be great to be able to work efficiently in both programs, but I just don't see how to do that.

    In Accordance I typically have 50+ tabs open and 15 workspaces (that is unfortunately not an exaggeration) open. Taking one of my tabs, I likely have the text, a few translations, some dictionaries, a commentary, notes, and then the next tab has something similar but a different verse. The verse, dictionary, and commentary are all addressing the same verse I am working on, obviously, and I can see everything. In Logos, however, if I have a verse open and then I flip to a commentary (books, and maybe that is also dictionaries), then I go back to my verse and it is gone, and I need to re-run the search? It just doesn't seem practical. Hopefully Mark can chime in.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,949

    Kristin said:

    This is just not practical for any serious language research.

    There are a number of Logos users who do serious language research. I cannot tell you what specific set of actions you will end up using, but I can give you some pieces that you can use to piece your pattern together.

    • It is common for Logos users to have two searches open - one for the search that is driving their research and one set to "send search here" for secondary, temporary searches.

    • In the search panel, one can use the search history to return to previous results either via prior-next arrow heads or by selection from a list
    • What Bradley meant by the same search was that the search arguments can be mixed between the search types e.g. you can use morph coding in either a Book or a Bible search as well as in a Morph search.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,949

    Kristin said:

    In Logos, however, if I have a verse open and then I flip to a commentary (books, and maybe that is also dictionaries), then I go back to my verse and it is gone, and I need to re-run the search?

    This makes no sense to me. Using commentaries, dictionaries etc. have no effect on the Search panel. You need to describe step by step what you are doing to have this effect. Logos does generally assume you go Search > Bible > other tools rather than Search > other tools.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,949

    Kristin said:

    In Logos, however, if I have a verse open and then I flip to a commentary (books, and maybe that is also dictionaries), then I go back to my verse and it is gone, and I need to re-run the search?

    This makes no sense to me. Using commentaries, dictionaries etc. have no effect on the Search panel. You need to describe step by step what you are doing to have this effect. Logos does generally assume you go Search > Bible > other tools rather than Search > other tools. It also sounds as if you may need to use the floating window feature to come closer to how you are utilizing tabs in Accordance.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    There are a number of Logos users who do serious language research. I cannot tell you what specific set of actions you will end up using, but I can give you some pieces that you can use to piece your pattern together.

    Hi MJ,

    Thank you for the screenshots! That is very helpful.

    MJ. Smith said:

    This makes no sense to me. Using commentaries, dictionaries etc. have no effect on the Search panel. You need to describe step by step what you are doing to have this effect. Logos does generally assume you go Search > Bible > other tools rather than Search > other tools

    I had been referring to having a run search on the "Bible" tab of a Search tab, then moving to "Books" of that same Search tab, then back to "Bible" erases what I had just done in the "Bible" section. I tried that "Send Searches Here" function, but whether that is turned on or off, it still erases my work I had done.

  • Frank Jones
    Frank Jones Member Posts: 41 ✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    It also sounds as if you may need to use the floating window feature to come closer to how you are utilizing tabs in Accordance.

    This.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,949

    Kristin said:

    I had been referring to having a run search on the "Bible" tab of a Search tab, then moving to "Books" of that same Search tab, then back to "Bible" erases what I had just done in the "Bible" section. I tried that "Send Searches Here" function, but whether that is turned on or off, it still erases my work I had done.

    The "tabs" as you are calling them are NOT tabs but rather search type options. If you want multiple search tabs you must make multiple tabs where tab=panel. Here I have 3 search tabs - the leftmost one is my temporary send searches here; the middle has the search driving my research; the right most would be used for commentaries.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 553 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    It also sounds as if you may need to use the floating window feature to come closer to how you are utilizing tabs in Accordance.

    This.

    Hi Frank,
    Thank you for the re-quote. At first I couldn't figure that out, but I just did, and it has been super helpful!! Thank you. Also, I found these little tutorials from MPSeminars, and this guy is REALLY helpful and going through the basics and actually explaining the layout of the program. So I feel optimistic that it might start making sense!! [:)] I don't know why I am just now seeing this. Before when I clicked on Help stuff, it brought me to that guy who speaks super slow, but now for some reason I am getting this new guy going through the program in a clear and detailed way. So I will spend the rest of the day watching all his helpful videos before I lose the tab.

    Also, since I also just figured out how to finally do floating windows, so now I have his tutorial in one window and the program in another. It appears that the "floating window" is not nearly as powerful as Accordance "detached tab" but it is nonetheless a major improvement!

    MJ. Smith said:

    the leftmost one is my temporary send searches here; the middle has the search driving my research; the right most would be used for commentaries.

    Hi MJ,
    Thank you for the screenshot. :) I think this also provides a good example of my concern. In your screenshot, it is clear that the "middle" is the driving research, and the "right" is for commentaries... and that is reasonable with just three tabs, but how would you keep it straight with 50 tabs open, given that they are all called "Search"? 
  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,949

    Kristin said:

    but how would you keep it straight with 50 tabs open, given that they are all called "Search"? 

    I'm sorry but my initial reaction was "how could I be so disorganized as to need 50 tabs?" But understand that my background is Sanskrit/philology/Buddhism. In seminars we would often have a text in Sanskrit-Tibetan-Chinese-Japanese with adjuncts in Korean, Mongolian, Khotanese, Uighur, etc. You had to be able to deal with at least two of the languages. 5 or 6 tabs per language would get me through anything academic. So, I'm afraid I would have to sit with you for a couple of hours as you walked me through your workspace to be able to help you on your issues with the tab/panel/window structure of Logos.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."