a question from an Accordance User
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Jonathan Huber said:
What's the best way to get the journals? I see that Galaxie is available as a subscription
You can buy Galaxie. I just did. The update that dropped this week covered volumes 1 - 26.
Logos has its own offering too and there is a bit of overlap, but it is a huge expansion over Galaxie and something I am certain you will not see come to Accordance any time soon. The collections that Logos offers occasionally go on sale.
The update on the master collection is about to drop and it will cost me $63 with dynamic pricing because I have kept it up to date for some time now.
I am a bit of a journal junkie, so over the years I have bought and kept up to date pretty much everything they have. It is invaluable for research!
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Journals are amazing. The only way you could come close to accessing this sort of scholarly information is having access to a world-class seminary library. And even then, tracing the thread of a conversation is tedious in print (at best). But with these journals available in software with its complex search capabilities, you have what 2,000 years of theologians could only have dreamed of.Donovan R. Palmer said:I am a bit of a journal junkie, so over the years I have bought and kept up to date pretty much everything they have. It is invaluable for research!
And you can fit it in your pocket!!0 -
I know right. What I can't get over is that I have such a breadth of resources with me wherever I am in the world. I still can't get over that...
The thing I like about journals is if we can get reasonably up to date issues, they give us an insight on things we will see over time in commentaries. Plus, an article is so much easier to read (and with AI triage a quick summary) as opposed to a monograph.
I would like to see more monographs brought to the platform... but that would just be more temptation.
LOL
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Hi Kristin
Kristin said:I tried responding to this but the post button did nothing. So I decided to try again, and I hope this isn't posted twice.
Thanks - I understand what you are seeing now.
If instead of right-clicking the result in the search window try clicking it which will open the associated Bible to that place with the search result highlighted. Then right-click that to get the context menu.
Here you can choose from a range of tagged objects on the left - I have selected lemma - that will present you with a range of functions on the right
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Graham Criddle said:
If instead of right-clicking the result in the search window try clicking it which will open the associated Bible to that place with the search result highlighted. Then right-click that to get the context menu.
Hi Graham,
I just tried that, and it doesn't seem to work. If I double click on a word it does nothing. If I triple click on a word it just selects the whole verse, but doesn't let me do anything with it.
I went to my settings but it seems to be set correctly, I think. I can provide a screenshot.
Also, on another note, I can provide an example of what I had meant about Logos deleting my work. Attached is a screenshot read from left to right. I start on the Bible tab, and my search is obviously already run. I then click on Book, and I get that pop up. However, I then click back to Bible, and instead of it going back to my work, I need to start over and re-run the search. Does this behavior make sense? Is there a way for it to stop deleting my work simply by moving to a different spot? All three pictures are on the same search tab.
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Kristin said:
Is there a way for it to stop deleting my work simply by moving to a different spot?
I think for the time being you may have to open up a different tab to save the work being done in the other. I agree that it would be preferable if Logos were capable of remembering the search being done in Bible when one switches for example to Books for as long as the tab is open. This issue might best be reported in a new thread. The behavior appears to be the same in the web app as well.
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Kristin said:
Attached is a screenshot read from left to right. I start on the Bible tab, and my search is obviously already run. I then click on Book, and I get that pop up. However, I then click back to Bible, and instead of it going back to my work, I need to start over and re-run the search. Does this behavior make sense?
To be honest, this behavior makes sense to me. When you click on Books in your second screenshot, you are telling that search tab that you want to change the terms of the search, so why would you want to keep the old returns? If you do want to keep the old returns, then open up a new search tab (right click on the tab -> duplicate. that will retain the search terms). And when you click back to Bible, your search terms are still there, so you can just hit enter and run it again to get back to where you were. Doesn't that solve the problem? It doesn't take long. What am I missing?
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Jonathan Huber said:
It doesn't take long. What am I missing?
I agree, and don't think it's a big deal. I hadn't identified it as a problem before Kristin's post. I just think there indeed may be instances where I would like to run the same search for instance in Bible and books, and I would prefer to not have to start over my search each time if I am comparing results. However, this problem could be easily solved by running the same search in two different tabs.
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Kristin said:
I just tried that, and it doesn't seem to work. If I double click on a word it does nothing. If I triple click on a word it just selects the whole verse, but doesn't let me do anything with it.
It is true that the search tool doesn't offer much functionality beyond searching. Right clicking does plenty, however, when you are in a book or a Bible.
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Jonathan Huber said:
To be honest, this behavior makes sense to me. When you click on Books in your second screenshot, you are telling that search tab that you want to change the terms of the search, so why would you want to keep the old returns?
Hi Jonathan,
There are really a few reasons why. First and most importantly, when I am doing intense research I often need to flip between different books or whatever, and the idea that if I move from that word to something else, and I can't go back to what I was working on makes research close to impossible. (For reference, I normally have "recycle" turned off in Accordance). So this is sort of more confirmation that it is not set up for academic work.
Second, I just want the program to make any sense at all. Earlier Bradley had clarified the how "Bible" and "Books" are all under the SAME search, yet if flipping between Bible and Books erases my search, obviously it is not part of the same search. Here is his comment:https://community.logos.com/forums/p/223994/1307577.aspx#1307577
Jonathan Huber said:If you do want to keep the old returns, then open up a new search tab (right click on the tab -> duplicate. that will retain the search terms).... Doesn't that solve the problem? It doesn't take long. What am I missing?
I think the issue is that that might work ok for a devotional, or even sermon prep (no offense to anyone), but it is just not sufficient for hardcore original language work. It is as if the "recycle" function is just permanently on, and that's not realistic.
Aaron Hamilton said:I think for the time being you may have to open up a different tab to save the work being done in the other. I agree that it would be preferable if Logos were capable of remembering the search being done in Bible when one switches for example to Books for as long as the tab is open.
Hi Aaron,
Thank you for clarifying. As I mentioned to Jonathan above, Bradley had said those were all sections of the same search, but apparently if I want the same search, I need to open a new tab and NEVER move it from Bible to Book or Factbook or whatever, and if I want that, I need to duplicate the tab. This is just not practical for any serious language research. I appreciate the clarification though.
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Kristin said:
This is just not practical for any serious language research.
This is a rather strong statement, and tbh I don't really agree with it. Maybe you personally would prefer it to work differently, but that's not the same thing.
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Jonathan Huber said:
This is a rather strong statement
Hi Jonathan,
Ya, I meant it as such.
Jonathan Huber said:Maybe you personally would prefer it to work differently, but that's not the same thing
Hopefully Mark Allison can offer his thoughts, as I know he has mentioned before that it doesn't seem to be set up for intense language work. I would really like it to work, as it would be great to be able to work efficiently in both programs, but I just don't see how to do that.
In Accordance I typically have 50+ tabs open and 15 workspaces (that is unfortunately not an exaggeration) open. Taking one of my tabs, I likely have the text, a few translations, some dictionaries, a commentary, notes, and then the next tab has something similar but a different verse. The verse, dictionary, and commentary are all addressing the same verse I am working on, obviously, and I can see everything. In Logos, however, if I have a verse open and then I flip to a commentary (books, and maybe that is also dictionaries), then I go back to my verse and it is gone, and I need to re-run the search? It just doesn't seem practical. Hopefully Mark can chime in.0 -
Kristin said:
This is just not practical for any serious language research.
There are a number of Logos users who do serious language research. I cannot tell you what specific set of actions you will end up using, but I can give you some pieces that you can use to piece your pattern together.
- It is common for Logos users to have two searches open - one for the search that is driving their research and one set to "send search here" for secondary, temporary searches.
- In the search panel, one can use the search history to return to previous results either via prior-next arrow heads or by selection from a list
- What Bradley meant by the same search was that the search arguments can be mixed between the search types e.g. you can use morph coding in either a Book or a Bible search as well as in a Morph search.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kristin said:
In Logos, however, if I have a verse open and then I flip to a commentary (books, and maybe that is also dictionaries), then I go back to my verse and it is gone, and I need to re-run the search?
This makes no sense to me. Using commentaries, dictionaries etc. have no effect on the Search panel. You need to describe step by step what you are doing to have this effect. Logos does generally assume you go Search > Bible > other tools rather than Search > other tools.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kristin said:
In Logos, however, if I have a verse open and then I flip to a commentary (books, and maybe that is also dictionaries), then I go back to my verse and it is gone, and I need to re-run the search?
This makes no sense to me. Using commentaries, dictionaries etc. have no effect on the Search panel. You need to describe step by step what you are doing to have this effect. Logos does generally assume you go Search > Bible > other tools rather than Search > other tools. It also sounds as if you may need to use the floating window feature to come closer to how you are utilizing tabs in Accordance.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
There are a number of Logos users who do serious language research. I cannot tell you what specific set of actions you will end up using, but I can give you some pieces that you can use to piece your pattern together.
Hi MJ,
Thank you for the screenshots! That is very helpful.
MJ. Smith said:This makes no sense to me. Using commentaries, dictionaries etc. have no effect on the Search panel. You need to describe step by step what you are doing to have this effect. Logos does generally assume you go Search > Bible > other tools rather than Search > other tools
I had been referring to having a run search on the "Bible" tab of a Search tab, then moving to "Books" of that same Search tab, then back to "Bible" erases what I had just done in the "Bible" section. I tried that "Send Searches Here" function, but whether that is turned on or off, it still erases my work I had done.
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MJ. Smith said:
It also sounds as if you may need to use the floating window feature to come closer to how you are utilizing tabs in Accordance.
This.
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Kristin said:
I had been referring to having a run search on the "Bible" tab of a Search tab, then moving to "Books" of that same Search tab, then back to "Bible" erases what I had just done in the "Bible" section. I tried that "Send Searches Here" function, but whether that is turned on or off, it still erases my work I had done.
The "tabs" as you are calling them are NOT tabs but rather search type options. If you want multiple search tabs you must make multiple tabs where tab=panel. Here I have 3 search tabs - the leftmost one is my temporary send searches here; the middle has the search driving my research; the right most would be used for commentaries.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Frank Jones said:MJ. Smith said:
It also sounds as if you may need to use the floating window feature to come closer to how you are utilizing tabs in Accordance.
This.
Hi Frank,
Thank you for the re-quote. At first I couldn't figure that out, but I just did, and it has been super helpful!! Thank you. Also, I found these little tutorials from MPSeminars, and this guy is REALLY helpful and going through the basics and actually explaining the layout of the program. So I feel optimistic that it might start making sense!! [:)] I don't know why I am just now seeing this. Before when I clicked on Help stuff, it brought me to that guy who speaks super slow, but now for some reason I am getting this new guy going through the program in a clear and detailed way. So I will spend the rest of the day watching all his helpful videos before I lose the tab.
Also, since I also just figured out how to finally do floating windows, so now I have his tutorial in one window and the program in another. It appears that the "floating window" is not nearly as powerful as Accordance "detached tab" but it is nonetheless a major improvement!
Hi MJ,MJ. Smith said:the leftmost one is my temporary send searches here; the middle has the search driving my research; the right most would be used for commentaries.
Thank you for the screenshot.
I think this also provides a good example of my concern. In your screenshot, it is clear that the "middle" is the driving research, and the "right" is for commentaries... and that is reasonable with just three tabs, but how would you keep it straight with 50 tabs open, given that they are all called "Search"? 0 -
Kristin said:
but how would you keep it straight with 50 tabs open, given that they are all called "Search"?
I'm sorry but my initial reaction was "how could I be so disorganized as to need 50 tabs?" But understand that my background is Sanskrit/philology/Buddhism. In seminars we would often have a text in Sanskrit-Tibetan-Chinese-Japanese with adjuncts in Korean, Mongolian, Khotanese, Uighur, etc. You had to be able to deal with at least two of the languages. 5 or 6 tabs per language would get me through anything academic. So, I'm afraid I would have to sit with you for a couple of hours as you walked me through your workspace to be able to help you on your issues with the tab/panel/window structure of Logos.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kristin said:
I just tried that, and it doesn't seem to work. If I double click on a word it does nothing. If I triple click on a word it just selects the whole verse, but doesn't let me do anything with it.
When you have a Bible open, did you try right-clicking a word as opposed to double/triple-clicking it?
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Kristin said:
that is reasonable with just three tabs, but how would you keep it straight with 50 tabs open, given that they are all called "Search"?
50 Search tabs[:O]
I use two Search tabs in alternate Tiles so that I can manually compare results of similar searches when necessary.
If I really want to save a Search, I can drag the tab into Favorites in a third Tile (narrower than the first two). Clicking it in Favorites will open another Search tab, but I usually control the destination by using "Send Searches here". NB you can rename the links in Favorites.
The red arrows indicate that I can vary the width of the tiles by dragging on their border.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Here's my issue with the inability to rename tabs: I like having a Moprh search open and then blasting through multiple searches, none of which I'll ever save. I don't want to have to create a new morph search with a new name that will end up in Documents, when I'll never use this search again. I'll I want is a visual cue to see what sort of search was being performed in that tab at the moment. As you can see in the screenshot, I can only guess what I happened to be searching for (in these examples it's probably obvious, but often it won't be).
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Mark Allison said:
As you can see in the screenshot, I can only guess what I happened to be searching for (in these examples it's probably obvious, but often it won't be).
This is a result of using a Morph Query document to define the search as opposed to just running a Morph Search directly. Would doing that help at all? Or are there particular features provides by using the Morph Query document that are important to you?
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Graham Criddle said:
Or are there particular features provides by using the Morph Query document that are important to you?
I haven't been using Logos long enough to learn the arcane syntax for creating complex searches. I'll get there, but for now using the Morph search is much easier.
(Actually, it's not really difficult to construct a search in the Search tab. it's just tedious for a new user to interpret what I've searched for after the fact).0 -
Speaking of syntax, is there something like the Morph query that handles syntax?
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Mark Allison said:
I haven't been using Logos long enough to learn the arcane syntax for creating complex searches
Fair enough - although have you seen that there is a dropdown menu for entering the search terms?
Mark Allison said:but for now using the Morph search is much easier.
Understood - but can I suggest you refer to it as a Morph Query to avoid confusion?
The Morph Search is typically carried out by entering the search terms directly using the dropdown
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Mark Allison said:
Speaking of syntax, is there something like the Morph query that handles syntax?
Sounds like you might be looking for the Syntax Search capability - Greek syntax searching is outlined at https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017808131-Greek-Syntax-Search but the capability works in a similar way for Hebrew as well.
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Graham Criddle said:
Fair enough - although have you seen that there is a dropdown menu for entering the search terms?
You're right. it's not hard to create a search in the Search tab. It's just hard to learn how to read what I've created after the fact (as a new user. I'll get there).
Graham Criddle said:Understood - but can I suggest you refer to it as a Morph Query to avoid confusion?
Got it. Thanks for the heads-up!
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Graham Criddle said:
Sounds like you might be looking for the Syntax Search capability
Thanks Graham! They look like what I need. Did you create the videos?
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