AI will eventually have some form of integration into the Apple Silicon OS.I know, that is super creepy. I watched the keynote and my understanding is that it is Siri on steroids. So currently, Apple lets you completely disable Siri (which I do of course). So I am hoping it will be the same with the AI junk, that I can disable it in settings. We will see.
With Logos, you'll always own the books you've already purchased, and—worse case scenario—you'll always be able to read them on all your devices and perform basic searches even without a subscription.That's important and good to hear.
Which still makes books in Logos a better value than paper books.Hopefully that is correct, and I am making a good financial decision. The idea of just getting a bunch of paper books actually did occur to me (since I hate this AI / subscription direction). But since the subscription is optional, it seems like the better option. I think.
Anyhow, concerns, sometimes passionate because of the love and loyalty to Accordance, resulted in the forum being organised in a way to suppress feedback, and in more extreme cases, removed threads and even banned users. (You can imagine how this has impacted the community crowd supported culture of the product)This is unfortunately true. [:(]
That was the issue on Now ... they couldn't deliver excitement.This "Logos Now" thing has been mentioned a few times now. What was that?
a question from an Accordance User
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Kristin said:
This "Logos Now" thing has been mentioned a few times now. What was that?
It was introduced here - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/128846.aspx - which provides some context.
It probably changed a bit during its life but I forget the details.
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DMB said:
So, given your preferences, and your Pro, I think you could easily go years offline (if needed).
That's great to hear! [:)]
Graham Criddle said:It was introduced here - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/128846.aspx - which provides some context.
It probably changed a bit during its life but I forget the details.
Thank you for the link. I will check it out.
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Kristin said:
I hate AI in Bible software
The ability to summarize a section of a book is an extremely useful use of AI in Logos, imho.
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I hate AI in Bible software
The ability to summarize a section of a book is an extremely useful use of AI in Logos, imho.
Mark Allison said:The ability to summarize a section of a book is an extremely useful use of AI in Logos, imho.
I also think summarise has been very useful in Smart Search results, helping me triage which resources I want to open. Oh, how I would have so appreciated this ability even more when I was engaged in formal studies. A real time saver, even casually.
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I hate AI in Bible software
The ability to summarize a section of a book is an extremely useful use of AI in Logos, imho.
Mark Allison said:The ability to summarize a section of a book is an extremely useful use of AI in Logos, imho.
The summarize feature looks really cool. The big problem with AI is not the tech; it's how the model is trained and what you expect it to do. Doing your homework, making deep fake videos, or giving medical advice based on its perusal of blogs.... very concerning. Searching my old emails to find a relative's flight arrival time (Apple's application) or summarizing a book chapter (Logos)... very helpful.
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I hate AI in Bible software
The ability to summarize a section of a book is an extremely useful use of AI in Logos, imho.
Mark Allison said:The ability to summarize a section of a book is an extremely useful use of AI in Logos, imho.
Agreed. And one of my regular uses of AI in Logos is natural language search against a predefined (by me) collection of titles in my personal Logos library.
Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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I hate AI in Bible software
The ability to summarize a section of a book is an extremely useful use of AI in Logos, imho.
Mark Allison said:The ability to summarize a section of a book is an extremely useful use of AI in Logos, imho.
Hi Mark,
Thank you for the screenshot. So if I understand right, two fat lines next to each other means "two versions" and a fat line with a skinny line next to it means "AI summary." Does this AI thing require the internet?
Jonathan Huber said:The big problem with AI is not the tech; it's how the model is trained and what you expect it to do. Doing your homework, making deep fake videos, or giving medical advice based on its perusal of blogs.... very concerning. Searching my old emails to find a relative's flight arrival time (Apple's application) or summarizing a book chapter (Logos)... very helpful.
You raise a very good point. My main concern is that AI is sticking its nose in places it doesn't belong, and also, that companies are incorporating it without proper transparency. In my situation, my "research" falls under the category you listed above of "homework" and thus AI should have nothing to do with it.
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Kristin said:
So if I understand right, two fat lines next to each other means "two versions" and a fat line with a skinny line next to it means "AI summary.
I'm sorry but I don't understand this - and I can't relate it to Mark's screenshot. Are you able to clarify please?
Kristin said:Does this AI thing require the internet?
Yes - Logos passes a request through to an (a range of) AI engines and then uses that in returning results to the user. So an Internet connection is required.
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Graham Criddle said:
I'm sorry but I don't understand this - and I can't relate it to Mark's screenshot. Are you able to clarify please?
Hi Graham,
I am attaching Mark's screenshot with arrows to what I had been referring to.
Graham Criddle said:Yes - Logos passes a request through to an (a range of) AI engines and then uses that in returning results to the user. So an Internet connection is required.
Thank you for clarifying.
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Kristin said:
I am attaching Mark's screenshot with arrows to what I had been referring to.
I'm not Graham (!), but both are toggle switches. The top-right simply opens/closes the panel. Then, choose translation or summarize. Translation can come with features or subscription; summarize needs their AI subscription.
The top left 'MultiBook' is more powerful (also a feature). If you link panels, often you want a leader/follower. On desktop, that's not supported (it is on mobile). Instead, the Multibook concept is like the Accordance parallel button. You click on the little arrow, and then select matching books, collections, etc. And it remembers your choices. Basically, selected books match by the same index (eg Bible reference or lexicon lemma as examples).
When you get your Pro, there's another choice ... you can take a tagged Bible, link it to a lexicon, and clicking in a word will quickly bring up the lemma in the lexicon. So, there many choices for your work.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Kristin said:
That's important and good to hear.
Hopefully that is correct, and I am making a good financial decision. The idea of just getting a bunch of paper books actually did occur to me (since I hate this AI / subscription direction). But since the subscription is optional, it seems like the better option. I think.
Just make sure that you download the whole library on your HD instead of accessing them over the net.
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DMB said:
When you get your Pro, there's another choice ... you can take a tagged Bible, link it to a lexicon, and clicking in a word will quickly bring up the lemma in the lexicon. So, there many choices for your work.
And, Kristin, if you're used to triple-click from those other guys, you can bring that same muscle-memory to Logos, too! 🤗
Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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Frank Jones said:
Just make sure that you download the whole library on your HD instead of accessing them over the net.
Will it be obvious how to do this? Does it ask if you want to do that?
Rick Mansfield said:And, Kristin, if you're used to triple-click from those other guys, you can bring that same muscle-memory to Logos, too! 🤗
I thought that action sounded familiar. [:)]
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Kristin said:
In the desktop app settings, there's a section on Internet. You can set whether to work offline, whether to download books, etc.
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Jonathan Huber said:
In the desktop app settings, there's a section on Internet. You can set whether to work offline, whether to download books, etc.
I see, the "Download New Books," I take it. [:)]
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Yes, when one installs it will ask whether you want to install everything or not.
Kristin said:Will it be obvious how to do this? Does it ask if you want to do that?
I thought that action sounded familiar.
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Well, it’s official. I’m now part of the Logos family. 😀
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Welcome to the family! You are officially a dual platform user too!
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Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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Welcome to the family!!!
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It's now official for me too! [:)]
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Welcome to the Logos family Kristin!
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Welcome to the Logos family Jonathan!
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I have been digging into L10 Academic Essentials seriously now for the last week and agree with many that L10 is a much improved version. I started long ago with L 2.9 and slacked off use with L5 and worked mainly with another product from 2016 till last week. L10 is getting comfortable. I guess I may be chiming in more now than I have been. I am enjoying both of the two software platforms about equally now. The Verbum 360, Verbum Advanced Academic, and Verbum Advanced search training packages I got with Verbum 9 Academic Essentials Package have really helped me open up the usefulness of L10. I had just used the simple tools I learned to use in L2, L3, and L4 until about a week ago.
Nice to see familiar names in this forum as well!
Joseph F. Sollenberger, Jr.
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Kristin said:
It's now official for me too!
I‘m confident that Logos will be a good fit, Kristin. So glad you’re here!
Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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This thread sounds like an echo chamber. [:D]
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Michael Atnip said:
This thread sounds like an echo chamber.
I suspect there could be more if Logos put some thought into ways to encourage Accordance users via crossover discounts, attention to beloved features (eg cross-highlighting), etc.
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I just learned how to set up a layout with cross-highlighting active. Setting it up is a bit more tedious than I’m use to, but I think linking many more texts is possible than we are use to.
Joseph F. Sollenberger, Jr.
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Joseph Sollenberger said:
I just learned how to set up a layout with cross-highlighting active. Setting it up is a bit more tedious than I’m use to, but I think linking many more texts is possible than we are use to.
I learn new things like this about Logos all the time. On face value, tools like Passage Guide are very easy to use. On the other hand, if I dedicate a bit of time regularly to learning the software, it is a very complex Swiss Army knife. Last week’s ‘aha‘ moment was in morphological searches.
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I got cross-highlighting to show if I select a word, but the process of selecting a word triggers a popup window that blocks some of the screen. Not ideal. I'd like to have a cursor hover option like the information tab. Is that possible?
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Jonathan Huber said:
I got cross-highlighting to show if I select a word, but the process of selecting a word triggers a popup window that blocks some of the screen. Not ideal. I'd like to have a cursor hover option like the information tab. Is that possible?
Not a good answer but in Settings, 'Show Selection Menu' > Off
I assume you're referring to the Corresponding Selection, in the Visual Filters menu (between 2 Bibles). If instead, Corresponding Words (within a single Bible), you can choose hover.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
Not a good answer but in Settings, 'Show Selection Menu' > Off
Yes, corresponding selection, and turning that selection menu off kinda helped. I already set up highlights and assigned hot keys for them, so this might work. Thanks!
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Frank Jones said:
Awesome!!!
Brian Leathers said:Welcome to the Logos family Kristin!
Thank you, Frank and Brian!
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Jonathan Huber said:
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Thank you, and welcome to you too! It's good to still see you in both places.
Donovan R. Palmer said:Woohoo! Welcome!
Thank you for the cake, Donovan! [:)]
Rick Mansfield said:I‘m confident that Logos will be a good fit, Kristin. So glad you’re here!
Thank you, Rick, and that is good to hear, given that you know how I use Accordance. [:)] It is good to see you here!
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Joseph Sollenberger said:
Nice to see familiar names in this forum as well!
That's how I feel too. [:)]
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Rick Mansfield said:
if you're used to triple-click from those other guys, you can bring that same muscle-memory to Logos, too! 🤗
That's made Logos feel more comfortable to me. I also had the Double-Click Action set to "Search" which was really annoying. Setting it to "Select word" made a big difference. Interface feels more familiar now :-)
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Kristin said:
That's concerning. Connecting to the server is not only a potential privacy issue, but could even be dangerous in certain countries. So it is imperative that I can run the software offline. I had already tried this last week and it ran fine, but given this thread, I am worried if fundamental functions will turn off if there isn't an internet connection.
My desktop is connected to the Internet, but I have a laptop that has been offline for over 2 years and Logos continues to run well.
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Ronald Quick said:
My desktop is connected to the Internet, but I have a laptop that has been offline for over 2 years and Logos continues to run well.
That's great to know! Thank you!
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Mark Allison said:
That's made Logos feel more comfortable to me. I also had the Double-Click Action set to "Search" which was really annoying. Setting it to "Select word" made a big difference. Interface feels more familiar now :-)
+1. Feels natural to me now.
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Thank you Rick and Mark for the Double and Triple click information. I have just changed them to match my muscle memory.
--Solly the content
Joseph F. Sollenberger, Jr.
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