a question from an Accordance User
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
Also, some of the standard fare that Accordance has always carried such as commentaries and Bibles, is not up to date as well.
I have no idea what Accordance's development plans are, but I'd bet that you'll won't see any updates to journals until after Accordance updates some of its standard commentaries.
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Mark Allison said:Jonathan Huber said:
The latest update is that Nathan has a phone number for someone at Galaxie.
Several years ago, the owner of Galaxie Software was interesting performing the tagging of the journals for use in Accordance. The powers that be thought it would take too much time to train him. So that got put on the back burner, mostly because nobody had the time to work on them (it's a massive project). And that was back when Accordance had triple the number of developers that they do now.
I own all the journals in Accordance and yet I'm buying them all over again in Logos, if that tells you anything about my confidence in Accordance's ability to update this library.Yeah, I hear you on that. Im not prepared to duplicate my whole library right away, but I’ve started marking the various bundles that would get me as close as possible for a reasonable cost. Theyll stay on the wish list for now while I figure out how the program works, and maybe it’ll change with the new library releases anyway.
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Jonathan Huber said:
Im not prepared to duplicate my whole library right away, but I’ve started marking the various bundles that would get me as close as possible for a reasonable cost.
I really hope Accordance bounces back, because competition is healthy. But part of me wishes Logos would buy Accordance, like they did with WORDsearch. But I can't think of a single way that Logos would benefit from the acquisition, other than gaining customers. And frankly, I think Logos will probably acquire those customers eventually anyway.
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Mark Allison said:
I really hope Accordance bounces back, because competition is healthy.
I hope so too for the same reason!
Mark Allison said:But part of me wishes Logos would buy Accordance, like they did with WORDsearch. But I can't think of a single way that Logos would benefit from the acquisition, other than gaining customers. And frankly, I think Logos will probably acquire those customers eventually anyway.
Monopoly or not, I would rather Logos buy it than for it to go under. I think the motive to do it would be in part to acquire customers, but it could also arguably be seen as a ministry. Logos simply isn't Accordance, and those of us who use it on an intense level really need it.
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Kristin said:
This is really tragic. Are there specific resources besides journals coming to your mind contrasting the two companies?
To be honest, this slippage has been going on so long that I stopped tracking what I might buy if they had it. So a few missing and updated volumes that come readily to mind...
Word Biblical Commentaries - missing volumes, missing update like Daniel - was my first ever big commentary purchase, and if I was stranded on a desert island, would be probably my pick if I could only have one...
Tyndale Commentaries - missing volumes - one of goto's in one my workflows
EGGNT - missing volumes - something I consult almost every day in my current language studies.
Baylor Handbooks - use all the time and no volumes in Accordance at all
NRSVue. It was FINALLY recently released in Accordance, but it is not tagged. This is in my lineup of my text comparisons in Logos and is fully tagged.
I could go on, but these are not niche market resources for specialist scholar studies... these are items that show up in best of lists. I get it about publishers and licenses, etc... but my theory is they are slow to market due to organisational and developer capacity.
Journals are even collectively further off and if you want to venture beyond Galaxie's offering...
I'm genuinely not being negative. It is and has been out of an abundance of concern that competition is healthy, and it seems it is decreasing month by month.
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Hi Donovan,
Thank you for clarifying. What you wrote surprised me on a few points, so I thus have a couple questions....
Donovan R. Palmer said:Word Biblical Commentaries
I have Word in Accordance. If I am understanding correctly, the actual copyright of Accordance's copy is an older version than what is Logos. Am I understanding this correctly?
Donovan R. Palmer said:I could go on, but these are not niche market resources for specialist scholar studies
I agree. Concerning Accordance missing ANET, do you consider that niche? Or do you find it bizarre that Accordance still doesn't have it?
Donovan R. Palmer said:I'm genuinely not being negative. It is and has been out of an abundance of concern that competition is healthy, and it seems it is decreasing month by month.
I understand completely and agree 100%.
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Kristin said:
Or do you find it bizarre that Accordance still doesn't have it?
Accordance users have been asking for ANET for years. There's always a tension at Accordance between creating modules that the core users want, and creating modules that will actually make money for the company. It was a hard balance to achieve when I used to work there. And now that Accordance has less than 1/2 of the developers they used to have, I can't imagine how they're keeping up.
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Mark Allison said:
And now that Accordance has less than 1/2 of the developers they used to have, I can't imagine how they're keeping up.
Wow... that is crazy, and sad.
I found these videos extremely helpful to me since Logos is a bit different than most Bible software setups.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017433892-Logos-10-Basic-Bible-Study-Series
Logos website is so full of info, I find myself getting lost in it.
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Mark Allison said:Kristin said:
Or do you find it bizarre that Accordance still doesn't have it?
Accordance users have been asking for ANET for years. There's always a tension at Accordance between creating modules that the core users want, and creating modules that will actually make money for the company. It was a hard balance to achieve when I used to work there. And now that Accordance has less than 1/2 of the developers they used to have, I can't imagine how they're keeping up.
I was happy to see ANET in the package I chose.
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Mark Allison said:
Accordance users have been asking for ANET for years. There's always a tension at Accordance between creating modules that the core users want, and creating modules that will actually make money for the company.
Hi Mark,
I am sure I am missing something obvious, but why is there a dichotomy between the modules people want and what makes money? It seems like if people want it, it will make money. ANET is a good example. As you said, a lot of people have requested ANET, and every time people request it a bunch of people liked it. So it seems like if they gave us ANET, all those people would turn into sales. By contrast, adding these fluff books no one asks for, it doesn't seem like that would make money, as the customers don't want it.
Mark Allison said:And now that Accordance has less than 1/2 of the developers they used to have, I can't imagine how they're keeping up.
Well, I would argue they aren't keeping up. The infamous highlight and note corruption issues are still there, there isn't web access, though I don't use it, I am aware of the Android chaos, etc, etc. So I really don't understand why the developer team was cut. It seems like a super weird business move. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall during one of those meetings to hear the logic behind the decision.
Jonathan Huber said:I was happy to see ANET in the package I chose.
Same here! I was for sure one of the people in Accordance repeatedly asking for ANET. Last year I finally gave up and actually bought it as a physical book, but I appreciate having it computerized finally in Logos. [:)]
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Shane Rice said:
I found these videos extremely helpful to me since Logos is a bit different than most Bible software setups.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017433892-Logos-10-Basic-Bible-Study-Series
Thanks for the link, Shane! [:)]
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One of my favorite AI features in Logos is the ability to filter Factbook commentary sets by denomination. I've played around with it a little, and it seems to be very accurate.
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Mark Allison said:
One of my favorite AI features in Logos is the ability to filter Factbook commentary sets by denomination. I've played around with it a little, and it seems to be very accurate.
You must have some "Level" that I don't have. I can't do that in my Factbook that I know of...??? Are you running the beta version??
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
You must have some "Level" that I don't have. I can't do that in my Factbook that I know of...??? Are you running the beta version??
I know you have to be paying for the subscription that gives you access to AI features, but perhaps a more informed user can let us know if more than that is required.
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Mark Allison said:xnman said:
You must have some "Level" that I don't have. I can't do that in my Factbook that I know of...??? Are you running the beta version??
I know you have to be paying for the subscription that gives you access to AI features, but perhaps a more informed user can let us know if more than that is required.
It was recently added to Factbook and as far as I know is only available with early access at this point. The same sorting has been available in the commentary section of the passage guide for a while and does not require the early access subscription.
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John Fidel said:
The same sorting has been available in the commentary section of the passage guide for a while and does not require the early access subscription.
That's very cool! Never noticed that. But then again, I've only been using Logos for a few weeks now. :-)
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I believe this can be done in passage guide and it is not an AI feature. My favourite is era. I love seeing the ways a scripture has been interpreted over history. In order to get this benefit, you have to have a broad range of resources. (some call this clutter) However it is a regular part of my work flow. Presently in my library I need more medieval resources.
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BTW - the Galaxie journal update dropped yesterday. Time to tag and rate!
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Mark Allison said:
That's very cool! Never noticed that. But then again, I've only been using Logos for a few weeks now. :-)
But you are using the beta update channel, which means you will oscillate between the current release and the next beta i.e. you recently jumped from v35 to v36 beta. You need to be aware that you will not receive Support whilst you are on a beta version.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
ou need to be aware that you will not receive Support whilst you are on a beta version.
That's good to know. Thanks Dave!
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Dave Hooton said:Mark Allison said:
That's very cool! Never noticed that. But then again, I've only been using Logos for a few weeks now. :-)
But you are using the beta update channel, which means you will oscillate between the current release and the next beta i.e. you recently jumped from v35 to v36 beta. You need to be aware that you will not receive Support whilst you are on a beta version.
Thanks Dave for clearing it all up for me. I do have Early Access but my Factbook does not have the features Mark's had. I figured it must be the Beta he is using... which means, I'll get it when it is released to a stable version. Cool!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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I think this is a wonderful challenge. The software is constantly being updated and rolling new features, so we need to be clear on what we are using. This is so much better than a static programme that does not change for months, or even years at a time. Rock and roll!
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Mark Allison said:
One of my favorite AI features in Logos is the ability to filter Factbook commentary sets by denomination.
Wow, when I read this, it really scared me. I thought you had said you liked "the ability to filter Facebook commentary sets by denomination." [:|] However, I finally figured out you said "Factbook" which is much better and less creepy. [:)] Anyway, after I read it correctly, I tried to replicate your screenshot and can confirm I can't.
John Fidel said:The same sorting has been available in the commentary section of the passage guide for a while and does not require the early access subscription.
Hi John,
After I figured out Mark's thing was AI, I tried to look for sorting here, but I don't even see the word "commentaries" in the Facebook section. How can I add it to the Factbook? (I see dictionaries, but not commentaries).
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Kristin said:Mark Allison said:
One of my favorite AI features in Logos is the ability to filter Factbook commentary sets by denomination.
Wow, when I read this, it really scared me. I thought you had said you liked "the ability to filter Facebook commentary sets by denomination."
However, I finally figured out you said "Factbook" which is much better and less creepy. 
I read it that way the first time also, and it made me roll my eyes. Facebook commentaries as part of Biblical research? How did we ever get to here?!! [:(]
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Kristin said:
After I figured out Mark's thing was AI, I tried to look for sorting here, but I don't even see the word "commentaries" in the Facebook section. How can I add it to the Factbook?
Factbook is currently changing at a rapid pace. They are essentially pulling features from other areas and packing them all into one place, which makes sense, especially when you consider the need to create a more uniform experience between different platforms. Commentaries in the Factbook section is a brand new feature. This means that you won't have access to it, as the full feature set of Logos 10 was released two years ago. If you remain committed to avoiding the subscription, I'm afraid you'll have to become comfortable with the features that you currently have access to, as current and future feature releases will only be on subscription. You do have access to the commentary sections, for example in the passage guide. But you will not have access to them in the Factbook section.
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I think I'm gonna like it, bring it on!! I have been one that didn't see the need to use Factbook.... but looks like I'm a going too! Let'er rip! [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Commentaries in the Factbook section is a brand new feature. This means that you won't have access to it, as the full feature set of Logos 10 was released two years ago. If you remain committed to avoiding the subscription, I'm afraid you'll have to become comfortable with the features that you currently have access to, as current and future feature releases will only be on subscription.
Oh, ok. [:)] You are correct about my thoughts about subscriptions, so thank you for clarifying.
Aaron Hamilton said:You do have access to the commentary sections, for example in the passage guide.
Could you please clarify this? I am not sure how to get to the "passage guide."
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Kristin said:
Could you please clarify this? I am not sure how to get to the "passage guide.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016462872-Passage-Guide will help with this
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From the toolbar, click on the Guides/Workflows icon, then check for the Passage Guide icon among the most common used, or scroll down to the Guides subgroup and expand to see all guides available. There are some really useful guides! Think of them as reconstructed work spaces for specific tasks.
--Solly
Joseph F. Sollenberger, Jr.
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Graham was faster than I was, and provided the link I struggled to find.
. Thanks, Graham!--Solly the slow
Joseph F. Sollenberger, Jr.
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Graham Criddle said:
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016462872-Passage-Guide will help with this
Joseph Sollenberger said:From the toolbar, click on the Guides/Workflows icon, then check for the Passage Guide icon among the most common used, or scroll down to the Guides subgroup and expand to see all guides available. There are some really useful guides! Think of them as reconstructed work spaces for specific tasks.
Thank you, Graham and Solly! [:)]
On another note, I had been messing around on Accordance looking for instances of double negatives in the Gk NT. I was able to do this with a construct search of a neg particle within a neg particle.
Is there a sort of Logos equivalent to find this info?
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Kristin said:
I had been messing around on Accordance looking for instances of double negatives in the Gk NT
I just asked this question for you in the General forum.
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Mark Allison said:
I just asked this question for you in the General forum.
Thank you. [:)] I just followed your thread.
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Mark Allison said:
I just asked this question for you in the General forum.
I wish I could tag people on this forum like the Accordance forum, but this is to Mark and Graham who answered the question. I wanted to ask it here since it isn't really a "Logos" question, I don't think.
When I did the morph.g:TN WITHIN 1 WORDS morph.g:TN formula it produced 412 hits in 93 verses, while the Accordance Construct produces 100 hits in 91 verses.On the surface I like the Accordance Construct a lot better since it is more straightforward. I don't even mean familiarity, but the words are actually spelled out. A negative particle, for example, is called "negative particle," while on Logos it is called "morph.g.TN". However, I am more interested in which is more accurate.
On Accordance I would create a reference list and compare the two lists, but I am not sure how to do it here. Any ideas how to find the discrepancies?0 -
Kristin said:
I wish I could tag people on this forum like the Accordance forum
Many are looking forward to the new forum. It has been promised "later this year" for awhile now. The timeframe is shrinking if they are to keep to the schedule...
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Kristin said:
On the surface I like the Accordance Construct a lot better since it is more straightforward. I don't even mean familiarity, but the words are actually spelled out. A negative particle, for example, is called "negative particle," while on Logos it is called "morph.g.TN". However, I am more interested in which is more accurate.
It may be that they are both accurate but reporting different things - and I don't know anything about how Accordance works so may be missing something obvious.
Logos counts each occurrence of a search term so Hebrews 13:5, for example, contributes five hits - and one of them is from a triple negative.
What does Accordance return for that verse?
Kristin said:On Accordance I would create a reference list and compare the two lists, but I am not sure how to do it here. Any ideas how to find the discrepancies?
This sounds similar to creating a Passage List and comparing them - details of this are in https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016747311-Passage-List
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Graham Criddle said:
It may be that they are both accurate but reporting different things - and I don't know anything about how Accordance works so may be missing something obvious.
Logos counts each occurrence of a search term so Hebrews 13:5, for example, contributes five hits - and one of them is from a triple negative.
Hi Graham,
Thank you for the screenshot. I am now actually kind of concerned. Accordance and Logos both record each hit, so given your Hebrews example, I confined the search to Hebrews, and Accordance says there are 5 hits in these 4 verses. HOWEVER, Heb 13:5 is NOT a triple neg since it is disregarding ουδε. I will attach a screenshot.
Mark, any ideas why Accordance is ignoring this?Actually.... the more I think about it.... maybe it is because the Accordance construct is a neg particle and neg particle, and I would need a third column for it? I bet that would find it, but would disregard the rest.... Well, I just tried it and can't figure it out. It is something off with my construct. I guess I will see if Mark has an idea.
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Hi Kristin
Kristin said:I will attach a screenshot.
Your screenshot is interesting - it suggests, at least to me, that this construct in Accordance is more akin to a Morph Query in Logos - which does use more natural English to define search terms. But it does seen to handle the triple negative case as below
Guidance on setting up morph queries is at https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016747411-Morph-Query
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Kristin said:
any ideas why Accordance is ignoring this?
Accordance has oude tagged as a conjunction, not a particle, so it doesn't meet the search criteria.
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Jonathan Huber said:Kristin said:
any ideas why Accordance is ignoring this?
Accordance has oude tagged as a conjunction, not a particle, so it doesn't meet the search criteria.
That would explain it.
Interestingly Logos has tagged it as both
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Jonathan Huber said:
Accordance has oude tagged as a conjunction, not a particle, so it doesn't meet the search criteria.
Hi Jonathan,
Thank you. You might have seen, but someone on Accordance said this too. So if I am understanding correctly, to find all double negs in Accordance, I would need to run it for particles, then also for conjunctions?
Graham Criddle said:Interestingly Logos has tagged it as both
Hi Graham, do you mind explaining how you got that info box? Also, trying to find that info box, I accidentally closed everything. [:(] I know I can recreate your search, but before I do, is there a way to access it in History? Also, before I closed it, I actually set it as a favorite, but I am not sure how find it.
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Graham Criddle said:
Interestingly Logos has tagged it as both
Interestingly, it's only tagged as both in the NA28. The UBS5 has it tagged only as a particle, and the LXX doesn't have it tagged as either. What's going on there?
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Hi Kristin
The info box was using the Information Tool. Simply open the tool from the Tools menu and then click the word in the biblical text.
For your other two questions try History and Favorites, also from the Tools menu
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Kristin said:
So if I am understanding correctly, to find all double negs in Accordance, I would need to run it for particles, then also for conjunctions?
I prefer to step back a bit. Accordance and Logos each code to a specific linguistic theory - in Logos there are several linguistic theories, some applying only to one critical edition. You need to decide how you are defining double negative esp. with regards to the particle/conjunction parts of speech. Then, and only then, can one tell how to code to find the data. Remember that the grammar is a model imposed on the text and there are many, many models that fit. True/false do not apply; predictive/explanatory value does.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Graham Criddle said:
The info box was using the Information Tool. Simply open the tool from the Tools menu and then click the word in the biblical text.
Hi Graham,
Thank you.
It took me a minute to figure out since I thought that was info about my search, but now I see it is info on the selected word. Thank you also for clarifying the History and Favorites. I was able to find it. MJ. Smith said:Accordance and Logos each code to a specific linguistic theory -
Hi MJ, thank you for the clarification.
I will try to keep in mind that there might not be pure equivalence for certain functions between the two programs. I think in this case Logos is more helpful for my specific search, actually, since my goal had been to find all double negatives, regardless of why it is a double negative.0 -
MJ. Smith said:
Remember that the grammar is a model imposed on the text and there are many, many models that fit. True/false do not apply; predictive/explanatory value does.
MJ, are the specific models noted for each text noted anywhere?
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I just tried to select all to try to copy, like an Accordance "Reference List." I see I can't do anything in Grid, which is fine, but when I go to Passage and right click, it brings up this "Send to Proclaim" window.
Is there a way to copy all the verses, and likewise, copy all the references?
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Since this thread is turning into a reference for newcomers from Accordance... I just realized that you can select multiple parallel texts but they'll only show when they contain the relevant section, which means that if you check eg both BHS and UBS5, you'll have whichever corresponds to the passage in your English translation. Kinda like Accordance's combined texts, except you could have just the UBS5 for NT and both BHS/LXX for OT. That is very cool.
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Jonathan Huber said:
I just realized that you can select multiple parallel texts but they'll only show when they contain the relevant section, which means that if you check eg both BHS and UBS5, you'll have whichever corresponds to the passage
Hi Jonathan,
Can you explain how you did this? I don#t see an "add parallel" function. I currently have the NA28 open and adding the UBS sounds like a good idea.
Also, you you know how to create an Accordance style "Reference List" from these results?
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