Tired of waiting for the NIV on iPhone
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I also have stopped using the iPhone app for this reason. Unfortunately, I feel the need to give it a low app store rating as well. This is no reflection of the quality of the programming, but if I were to create a "Disney App" and then not include Disney content due to licensing issues, the app could be programmed & designed beautifully but still would deserve a low rating. The NIV translation is BY FAR the main reason I want the app on my iPhone, and so therefore, the app is useless to me without out. Too bad... =(
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you know what? I want the NIV, too. But fortunately my Logos library accessible on the iPod touch far outweighs my lack of the NIV. I still use it daily. And I have plenty of translations to choose from. But the lack of NIV does surprise me. I have it across multiple platforms from a company that specializes in handhelds. Yet . . . I don't have nearly the library with them as I do Logos. I use both.
Wondering: can Bible Gateway be accessed on the iPhone? I haven't tried it, but they have the NIV, don't they?
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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The transition to all my products (including the NIV) with Olive Tree went very well yesterday and it’s great to have all my offline bibles on one platform. Your product line at Logos has great potential, but folks are definitely going to migrate towards Olive Tree if you and Zondervan don’t reach an agreement soon. I was so impressed with their service and iPod Touch functionality that I purchased an additional $68 in new software.
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The transition to all my products (including the NIV) with Olive Tree went very well yesterday and it’s great to have all my offline bibles on one platform. Your product line at Logos has great potential, but folks are definitely going to migrate towards Olive Tree if you and Zondervan don’t reach an agreement soon. I was so impressed with their service and iPod Touch functionality that I purchased an additional $68 in new software.
I don't know that people will make a complete transition, unless their library and study needs are minimal. Logos simply offers too much in the way of volume of standard and critical works, as well as a more thorough approach (and study tools--not meaning books) to bible study--which is ever increasingly being translated to the iphone application. As for me, I have a few other Bible software applications (which shall here remain nameless, lol) but by far my most used is Logos.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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If the problem is that they want us to pay for the license a second time, then why can't Logos just give us that option?
And would you like to pay twice for all your resources? If Logos agrees to pay twice for the NIV, do you seriously think the others will not want the same deal? That is pretty short sighted in my opinion. I feel Logos is looking out for my interests by not agreeing to require us to buy a second license for NIV. I appreciate that. I want the NIV, but not that badly.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
I heard an interview with Francis Schaeffer's son Frank the other day. He was lamenting on the over commercialization of Christianity. One of his main points was that Rupert Murdoch made more money off of Zondervan last year, then he did from Fox.
Knowing this, I can't help but think that when it comes to a popular Zondervan resource, one is never likely to see the word "free" in it's description...
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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If the problem is that they want us to pay for the license a second time, then why can't Logos just give us that option?
And would you like to pay twice for all your resources? If Logos agrees to pay twice for the NIV, do you seriously think the others will not want the same deal? That is pretty short sighted in my opinion. I feel Logos is looking out for my interests by not agreeing to require us to buy a second license for NIV. I appreciate that. I want the NIV, but not that badly.
Michael,
Your statement of not wanting to pay for it twice is simply not accurate. Logos intial agreement with Zondervan should have included contract language that allowed the product (NIV Bible) to be used on on any computer or computer device (i.e. PDA), for one licensee, not limiting it to a specific device.
Most publishers grant you (the person who has purchased or
received the e-book), a non-exclusive, non-transferable
license to install and use the e-book and you may download or install the
e-book onto your computer(s). You may make reasonable back-up copies of the
e-book to avoid losing it. You may not give copies of the e-book to
others, or make the e-book available for others to copy or download.The price Zondervan wanted for this more comprehensive usage required a more expensive fee for the license agreement. My bet is Logos did not anticipate this, and it was an oversight that was missed in reading the contract language at the time, or if at the time PDA devices were simply not thought to have been an important device to include into the license.
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The transition to all my products (including the NIV) with ***** went very well yesterday and it’s great to have all my offline bibles on one platform. Your product line at Logos has great potential, but folks are definitely going to migrate towards ***** if you and Zondervan don’t reach an agreement soon. I was so impressed with their service and iPod Touch functionality that I purchased an additional $68 in new software.
Question: Did ***** manage to get an Exclusive where it would be the ONLY supplier for mobile devises? [i.e. locking out all of the competition]
That product seems to sell many different versions - one for this and one for that other - Do you get the rights to your "library" on all platforms?
or do you have to buy the NIV, ESV, and others for each platform under the ***** label?
Logos wants to allow it on ALL platforms and the ***** website implies you get to use in on one and only one for the fee. [to order you need to tell them the platform to send you] [[You have not selected a handheld device.- please click here to select one.]]
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Your statement of not wanting to pay for it twice is simply not accurate.
MJD,
You, me, and most all of us are speculating without many facts on all this. However I still believe that if we pay twice to use resources on both L4 and the iPhone / iPad app, we will soon be paying twice for all resources. That is the way business works in the real world.
Whatever else may or may not be accurate, that is, in my opinion.
One thing I would bet. I would bet that if this was as simple to fix as most posts here assume it is, Bob and the Logos leadership would not need advice from a public forum to tell them to fix it. They know that people want the NIV, and they want to provide the resources their customers want. So I assume there is a good reason the NIV is not on the iPhone / iPad app. That would be my bet for sure.
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I'm trying to figure out what deal a certain Florida based Mac software company worked out with Zondervan to allow the NIV to be available to users on both the Mac and iOS.
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I'm trying to figure out what deal a certain Florida based Mac software company worked out with Zondervan to allow the NIV to be available to users on both the Mac and iOS.
Please note that both MAC and iOS are Apple systems. Did they get a 'use on Apple' license? [I do not know but I am asking]
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Your statement of not wanting to pay for it twice is simply not accurate.
MJD,
You, me, and most all of us are speculating without many facts on all this. However I still believe that if we pay twice to use resources on both L4 and the iPhone / iPad app, we will soon be paying twice for all resources. That is the way business works in the real world.
Whatever else may or may not be accurate, that is, in my opinion.
One thing I would bet. I would bet that if this was as simple to fix as most posts here assume it is, Bob and the Logos leadership would not need advice from a public forum to tell them to fix it. They know that people want the NIV, and they want to provide the resources their customers want. So I assume there is a good reason the NIV is not on the iPhone / iPad app. That would be my bet for sure.
Michael,
I am not speculating... I have negotiated these types of deals.
Zondervan is in the business to license their works. If Logos (at the time of the original contract)wanted the NIV to be included in the agreement they should have entered into a license agreement that allowed and included it usage on PDA's.
Why do Logos users have access to other Zondervan titles on thier PDA's? They do because they negotiated those usage rights into the contract. Do you think Logos paid twice for those books? PLEASE THINK.
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I am not speculating... I have negotiated these types of deals.
Unless you know specifics of the agreement, you're speculating.
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I originally purchased the NIV and other resources for my Palm PDA. Over five years later, I purchased an iPod Touch and Olivetree allowed me to download all the resources in the different format. The Olivetree app has a lot more features - absolutely no comparison!
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No comparison if you only use an iOs device but with OT on a computer you can't do nearly what you can with Logos. And you don't have to pay twice for the resources. Once Logos is done with their sync v2 I think you will see Logos on mobile apps leave the other software in the dust just like they do on Mac and PC.
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I'd love to have NIV84 and NIRV in logos mobile app also. I am not going to speculate on it all...I don't believe it would be good to have the option to pay forr a separate license for mobile platform. Neither am I going to pay for it in another mobile app. For now if I want either of these translations mobile I simply log into biblia.com and I can read them from there...the reader mode is Safari is great when I just want to read these translations. The only downside is I can access them offline. But since I use NASB95 and ESV for study purposes not a major sticking point.
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Mark,
Your point is understood. However you are referring to only one book, the NIV. With the Logos App I have access to almost my entire library without any additional cost. OT has been doing mobile a long time. Logos less than a year. They are both wonderful apps. I am really pleased to have the Logos app.
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The wait is over... be tired no longer
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